UK man who attacked armed thugs holding family hostage is jailed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;18956045]Okay so the next time someone breaks into my home and holds my family hostage I'll pull out a law book and look up the respective criteria of "self defense" and "assault". I'll be abiding by the law and protecting my family. :downs:[/QUOTE] No, all you need to pull out is your brain from your ass. Buglar invades your home. You pull out a gun. He surrenders and walks away. But then you decide it isn't good enough, chase him several blocks and execute him. That's not self-defense, that's an eye for nothing (much)

Criminal or not you don't beat someone half to death who has given up...

Aarrghhhh, for fucks sake I hate reading about shit like this. THEIR FAMILY WAS THREATENED WITH THEIR LIFE, THEY DEFENDED THEMSELVES. The attackers deserved every goddamn thing they got, and more. If someone did this kind of shit to my family I would do the same damn thing. You can't be expected to stop and go; "Hmm, now this baseball bat is made of a combination Maple tree & Hickory wood base with an approximate age of 15 years, thereby reducing it's overall capable impact force (before self destruction) at roughly 3.1 kN. This is however far too powerfull to use against a simple friendly kind-hearted home intruder, so I must therefore adjust my aim to a non-critical part of this gentleman's anatomy. His leg appears large and sturdy, possibly due to this kind man's excercise routine. Thusly, if I apply approximately 1.1514 kN of impact force against the rear quadrant of the man's upper calf muscle, it should be sufficient to disable him without the harm of permanent damage resulting in potential jailtime on my behalf. Yes, yes I think this will do just fine..." sshhhhhHWAAACK! Get stuffed. YOU DON'T ATTACK SOMEONE'S FAMILY AND THREATEN THEIR VERY LIVES AND JUST GET AWAY WITH IT. Anyone could would and SHOULD have chased those assholes down. By the time some slack piece of shit cop showed up (too busy stuffing his face down at the station to respond any faster), those guys would be long gone... Probably sitting in some dark corner and raging up a method of revenge. They almost certainly chased after these guys running on pure adrenaline - I can understand why they did it and I fully support giving that reject fuck brain damage. Did a the public a favour I think.

[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;18956465]Criminal or not you don't beat someone half to death who has given up...[/QUOTE] Yeah, I do see where the judge is coming from on this. Defending your own home is one thing, chasing a fleeing man outside of your property, pinning him down, and bashing his brains in with a bat is somewhat different. That's not protecting anybody or preventing any harm, that's revenge-motivated attempted murder.

[QUOTE=Sobek-;18956503]Get stuffed. YOU DON'T ATTACK SOMEONE'S FAMILY AND THREATEN THEIR VERY LIVES AND JUST GET AWAY WITH IT. Anyone could would and SHOULD have chased those assholes down. By the time some slack piece of shit cop showed up (too busy stuffing his face down at the station to respond any faster), those guys would be long gone... Probably sitting in some dark corner and raging up a method of revenge. They almost certainly chased after these guys running on pure adrenaline - I can understand why they did it and I fully support giving that reject fuck brain damage. Did a the public a favour I think.[/QUOTE] I find that incredibly offensive. Maybe the police don't want to come help you because all you do is shit-talk them. In my opinion the police have one of the shittiest jobs ever. They're there to enforce the law, but no one wants them there when they're getting into trouble and when you need help they don't arrive in time. Wah wah wah. Cut them some slack.

[QUOTE=Wallettheifv3;18941668]so a fucked up court system means the government is 100% liberal and because of that you want a far-right government that's ruled by large corporations and where evolution is banned in schools ok[/QUOTE] how is that any worse than living in a police state utopia with hyper inflation?

[QUOTE=Sobek-;18956503]Aarrghhhh, for fucks sake I hate reading about shit like this. THEIR FAMILY WAS THREATENED WITH THEIR LIFE, THEY DEFENDED THEMSELVES. The attackers deserved every goddamn thing they got, and more. If someone did this kind of shit to my family I would do the same damn thing. You can't be expected to stop and go; "Hmm, now this baseball bat is made of a combination Maple tree & Hickory wood base with an approximate age of 15 years, thereby reducing it's overall capable impact force (before self destruction) at roughly 3.1 kN. This is however far too powerfull to use against a simple friendly kind-hearted home intruder, so I must therefore adjust my aim to a non-critical part of this gentleman's anatomy. His leg appears large and sturdy, possibly due to this kind man's excercise routine. Thusly, if I apply approximately 1.1514 kN of impact force against the rear quadrant of the man's upper calf muscle, it should be sufficient to disable him without the harm of permanent damage resulting in potential jailtime on my behalf. Yes, yes I think this will do just fine..." sshhhhhHWAAACK! Get stuffed. YOU DON'T ATTACK SOMEONE'S FAMILY AND THREATEN THEIR VERY LIVES AND JUST GET AWAY WITH IT. Anyone could would and SHOULD have chased those assholes down. By the time some slack piece of shit cop showed up (too busy stuffing his face down at the station to respond any faster), those guys would be long gone... Probably sitting in some dark corner and raging up a method of revenge. They almost certainly chased after these guys running on pure adrenaline - I can understand why they did it and I fully support giving that reject fuck brain damage. Did a the public a favour I think.[/QUOTE] This isn't the Wild West. beating someone half to death isn't legal or justified just because "The reject fuck deserved it." The criminal was on the run, and the guy's family was safe. The danger was over, nobody else was at risk. He consciously chose to enlist help in carrying out an act of revenge after the fact. Using adrenaline as an excuse is bullshit, and the arguement carries no more weight than the Nuremberg "I was following orders" defense.

[QUOTE=Sobek-;18956503]Aarrghhhh, for fucks sake I hate reading about shit like this. THEIR FAMILY WAS THREATENED WITH THEIR LIFE, THEY DEFENDED THEMSELVES. The attackers deserved every goddamn thing they got, and more. If someone did this kind of shit to my family I would do the same damn thing. You can't be expected to stop and go; "Hmm, now this baseball bat is made of a combination Maple tree & Hickory wood base with an approximate age of 15 years, thereby reducing it's overall capable impact force (before self destruction) at roughly 3.1 kN. This is however far too powerfull to use against a simple friendly kind-hearted home intruder, so I must therefore adjust my aim to a non-critical part of this gentleman's anatomy. His leg appears large and sturdy, possibly due to this kind man's excercise routine. Thusly, if I apply approximately 1.1514 kN of impact force against the rear quadrant of the man's upper calf muscle, it should be sufficient to disable him without the harm of permanent damage resulting in potential jailtime on my behalf. Yes, yes I think this will do just fine..." sshhhhhHWAAACK! Get stuffed. YOU DON'T ATTACK SOMEONE'S FAMILY AND THREATEN THEIR VERY LIVES AND JUST GET AWAY WITH IT. Anyone could would and SHOULD have chased those assholes down. By the time some slack piece of shit cop showed up (too busy stuffing his face down at the station to respond any faster), those guys would be long gone... Probably sitting in some dark corner and raging up a method of revenge. They almost certainly chased after these guys running on pure adrenaline - I can understand why they did it and I fully support giving that reject fuck brain damage. Did a the public a favour I think.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=LF9000;18956451] Buglar invades your home. You pull out a gun. He surrenders and walks away. But then you decide it isn't good enough, chase him several blocks and execute him. That's not self-defense, that's an eye for nothing (much)[/QUOTE] Yeah after they ran away, did he decided that as they were running away they still posed a great enough threat to chase them down, enlist help, and break a bat on them, after they were already unconscious. Adrenaline my ass, that's what I call taking self-defense several steps too far. Not all criminals are criminals because they want to be criminals. It may be due to economical and social pressure. Remember he's not not a soulless demon, he's a human, like you and me.

[QUOTE=LF9000;18956803] Not all criminals are criminals because they want to be criminals. It may be due to economical and social pressure. Remember he's not not a soulless demon, he's a human, like you and me.[/QUOTE] Even if he is a soulless demon, it doesn't make vigilante justice any more legal or less reprehensible.

I'm gonna say the guy went a little too far, but at the same time, I can't really have my sympathy for someone who breaks into a families houses, holds them hostage and threatens to kill them. When the family came home they should have legged it, but instead they chose to stay there and take them hostage and threaten to murder the man's family in front of him. [editline]12:05AM[/editline] [QUOTE=LF9000;18956803]Yeah after they ran away, did he decided that as they were running away they still posed a great enough threat to chase them down, enlist help, and break a bat on them, after they were already unconscious. Adrenaline my ass, that's what I call taking self-defense several steps too far. Not all criminals are criminals because they want to be criminals. [B]It may be due to economical and social pressure.[/B] Remember he's not not a soulless demon, he's a human, like you and me.[/QUOTE] Economic Pressure: Gee I'm sure I'll make a lot more money from taking a guy and his family hostage then I would from raiding an empty house! Social Pressure: Hey guys I have a great idea lets go take a guy and his family hostage so that we can make some money it will be funny what's the worst that could happen? Neither of those are good excuses for threatening someone, the criminals could have robbed a place, without threatening anyone. It's their own dumb fault for picking the wrong guy, who just went a little bit psyco on the assholes who threatened to murder his family in front of him.

Yeah basically we just have to let people walk in our homes and do what they want in fear of jailtime for defending yourself and/or your property.

[QUOTE=Wallettheifv3;18941845]Saxton Hale's Muslim cousin[/QUOTE] Salim Halijim

[QUOTE=Pinut;18957500]Yeah basically we just have to let people walk in our homes and do what they want in fear of jailtime for defending yourself and/or your property.[/QUOTE] Defending your property does not involve chasing after a person after he/she has already GIVEN UP, several blocks, beat them unconscious, and then break a cricket bat on them simply because you feel like they deserve it. You are not the law, you follow the law.

[QUOTE=windwakr;18956082]The guys family was fucking tied up and about to be killed. The intruder deserves a whole lot more than the alleged "brain damage". But yes, if you only threaten to steal my shit, I'll only give you a minor beating.[/QUOTE] acting on the pretense that someone might do something is utter bullshit and you are a bad person for believing otherwise [editline]01:01AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Kybalt;18957096]I'm gonna say the guy went a little too far, but at the same time, I can't really have my sympathy for someone who breaks into a families houses, holds them hostage and threatens to kill them. When the family came home they should have legged it, but instead they chose to stay there and take them hostage and threaten to murder the man's family in front of him. [editline]12:05AM[/editline] Economic Pressure: Gee I'm sure I'll make a lot more money from taking a guy and his family hostage then I would from raiding an empty house! Social Pressure: Hey guys I have a great idea lets go take a guy and his family hostage so that we can make some money it will be funny what's the worst that could happen? Neither of those are good excuses for threatening someone, the criminals could have robbed a place, without threatening anyone. It's their own dumb fault for picking the wrong guy, who just went a little bit psyco on the assholes who threatened to murder his family in front of him.[/QUOTE] he's a fucking millionaire, of course he's a target

Defending himself? In his own house? Exercising his civil liberties? What an asshole! I demand death penalty.

[QUOTE=Wayword;18958252]Defending himself? In his own house? Exercising his civil liberties? What an asshole! I demand death penalty.[/QUOTE] Way to read the thread...

[QUOTE=Wayword;18958252]Defending himself? In his own house? Exercising his civil liberties? What an asshole! I demand death penalty.[/QUOTE] Read the entire article.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;18958264]Way to read the thread...[/QUOTE] Way to get the sarcasm.

"Next Up Victim of rape jailed for three years for trying to defend themselves" Great Thread A+

[QUOTE=DeandreT;18958416]"Next Up Victim of rape jailed for three years for trying to defend themselves" Great Thread A+[/QUOTE] Defending themselves by chasing the rapist (who has given up mind you) for several blocks, stopping to get your brother to help, and then beat him unconscious, and then breaking a cricket bat over his head. Thats what I do when someone steals my lunch. Great post A+

The thread title is very misleading. He wasn't arrested for defending his family from thugs, he was arrested for running the thugs off, then getting some people together and chasing one down so he could attempt to beat him to death.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;18959034]The thread title is very misleading. He wasn't arrested for defending his family from thugs, he was arrested for running the thugs off, then getting some people together and chasing one down so he could attempt to beat him to death.[/QUOTE] It probably reduced the number of people in the area that would be willing to break in.

Thats Racist

[QUOTE=Bean-O;18941504]And this kind of nonsense happens all the time. England seriously needs to fix its system.[/QUOTE] We get it over here in America too from time to time, but for the most part, If you were the victim to begin with you should be Ok And if it remains on your property or just off of it I know here in Florida, you can shoot someone dead no problem, if there's sign of forced entry you'll be in the clear

[QUOTE=LF9000;18957827]Defending your property does not involve chasing after a person after he/she has already GIVEN UP, several blocks, beat them unconscious, and then break a cricket bat on them simply because you feel like they deserve it. You are not the law, you follow the law.[/QUOTE] [quote]Mr Hussain then threw a coffee table at the third man, 56-year-old Walid [B]Salem,[/B] hitting him in the face. What followed was described in Reading Crown Court as self-defence that went too far, leaving intruder [B]Salem[/B] with a permanent brain injury after he was struck with a cricket bat so hard that it broke into three pieces.[/quote] I understand this as the guy who didn't run from the house not the one being chased so they beat the shit out of him in their house not outside as it says the others ran. It's just as retarded of having your dog killed because it attacks an intruder.

All this debate over a mail article? I'm still surprised there wasn't some reference to illegal immigrants or Princess Diana in it.

An old friend of my family punched a kid in the face after he had set his fence on fire, he got put in prison for 2 years, lost his house and his job, and the kids got community service orders. Makes me want to elect a bat shit insane party so they can bring back proper punishments. [editline]01:35PM[/editline] Everyone has the right to defend their property how they choose, these men who attacked this family made their choice when they decided to break in to their house, and it was their decision alone, not the family, them.

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[QUOTE=markg06;18941578]Laws are laws, he crossed the line of self defence hence it became assault. Re-read the article you three.[/QUOTE] Somebody fucking broke into his house and then threatened his wife and kids, it's called instinct, they deserved what they got, don't try and act smart Goben.

[QUOTE=markg06;18942423]Because we don't right? I mean who needs self defence laws anyway you should be allowed to brutalise and murder anyone who dares step foot on your property.[/QUOTE] The story about the man who put barbwire up on his fence to protect himself from burglars but then had to take it down again because it might hurt burglars comes to mind. Another story that comes to mind is the man who caught a burglar, stepped towards him to try and intimidate him and the burglar fell out of a 2nd floor window and successfully sued the man. Seriously, criminals have it so good in the UK justice system. More often than not do the roles get reversed. British justice system is filled with either pussies or retards. You are pretty much forbidden to protect your home IN ANY WAY. I can't understand that. Neither can I understand the guy (not UK) who was going to sue an elderly woman. Her home had been broken into multiple times, so she put up cameras to catch the culprit. She got him and took the footage to the police. After they couldn't identify him, she took the footage and put it online to try and track him down, after getting permission from an officer of justice. Said thug then sued her for infringement of his right of privacy. Excuse me, but you breaking into her home (with no permission AT ALL) isn't infringing on right of privacy?