UK man who attacked armed thugs holding family hostage is jailed - Polidicks

:patriot: This is why I live in the US.

[QUOTE=dutchah;18964447]The story about the man who put barbwire up on his fence to protect himself from burglars but then had to take it down again because it might hurt burglars comes to mind. Another story that comes to mind is the man who caught a burglar, stepped towards him to try and intimidate him and the burglar fell out of a 2nd floor window and successfully sued the man. Seriously, criminals have it so good in the UK justice system. More often than not do the roles get reversed.[/QUOTE] Or another one where criminal fell down stairs and broke his leg, sued house owner and won.

[QUOTE=Wallettheifv3;18941383]Read more: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235782/Family-man-fought-armed-thugs-took-family-hostage-jailed.html[/url][/QUOTE] what the fucking muslims. Fucking crazy fuckers.

I think he was right to throw the table and chase the criminal down in defense of his family but he should have just left it there. I know it's probabily hard to control your anger in a situation like that. I don't agree with what he did to the criminal but knowing this country, if the criminal got arrested he would have just walked free later that day to break into another home and terrorise another family.

[QUOTE=h3lpm3;18964668]I think he was right to throw the table and chase the criminal down in defense of his family but he should have just left it there. I know it's probabily hard to control your anger in a situation like that. [/QUOTE] Agreed. People here are pretty fast to judge, but then again: If some armed dudes are holding your wife and kids hostage and you get a chance to stop them, you're not gonna be able to control your actions, are you?

This is stupid. In my opinion it would be perfectly reasonable if he killed the men.

Killing a guy running away? Yerh that takes some real balls.

[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;18964846]Killing a guy running away? Yerh that takes some real balls.[/QUOTE] Guy who not so long ago wanted to kill your family.

[QUOTE=johanz;18964992]Guy who not so long ago wanted to kill your family.[/QUOTE] Point out to me the part where it said that the intruders were wanting to kill the family. If that had been the case would the they have really run away cause one member slipped away? No they would have just killed the rest or held the rest hostage. These were petty criminals who'd got their hands on a couple of knifes and were after some easy money. Not the heartless killers that you want them to be.

[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;18965118]Point out to me the part where it said that the intruders were wanting to kill the family. If that had been the case would the they have really run away cause one member slipped away? No they would have just killed the rest or held the rest hostage. These were petty criminals who'd got their hands on a couple of knifes and were after some easy money. Not the heartless killers that you want them to be.[/QUOTE] Fine, jail the man who killed criminals, because obviously he could read criminals' minds and wanted to kill them all while they were fleeing

[QUOTE=Wallettheifv3;18941383]Read more: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235782/Family-man-fought-armed-thugs-took-family-hostage-jailed.html[/url][/QUOTE] Woah...That's in my old town. England's stella justice system strikes again.

[QUOTE=The Times]A businessman who fought off knife-wielding thugs after his family were threatened has been jailed for 30 months. The case prompted renewed debate over the level of force that house-holders can use against raiders. Munir Hussain, chairman of the Asian Business Council, was praised by a judge for his “courage” in defending his wife and three children from an attack — but then jailed for the violence of his response. One of his attackers was spared a jail sentence. The incident occurred when the Hussain family returned from their mosque during Ramadan to find three intruders wearing balaclavas in their home. Hussain was told that he would be killed. His family’s hands were tied behind their backs and they were forced to crawl from room to room.Hussain, 53, made an escape after throwing a coffee table and enlisted his brother Tokeer, 35, in chasing the offenders down the street in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, bringing one of them to the ground. What followed was described in Reading Crown Court as self-defence that went too far. Walid Salem, one of the intruders, suffered a permanent brain injury after he was struck with a cricket bat so hard that it broke into three pieces. Neighbours saw several men beating Salem with weapons, including a metal pole. Munir Hussain is said to feel that he let down his wife, Shaheen Begum, sons Awais, 21, Samad, 15, and 18-year-old daughter Arooj, by failing to defend them against Salem and his gang. Mrs Begum had told the court that she feared the raiders had killed her youngest son. She said: “They were hitting my husband. When I asked them to stop or looked up they started hitting him again. They told us to lie face down and not speak, or they would kill us. It was very terrifying.” Salem was the only intruder caught after the incident in September last year, but his injuries meant that he was not fit to plead after being charged with false imprisonment. Salem, who has 50 past convictions, was given a two-year supervision order in September this year. He is now in custody awaiting trial for an alleged credit card fraud. Munir and Tokeer Hussain, described as family men at the heart of the local community, were found guilty of causing grievous bodily harm with intent this year. The prosecution alleged that two other men also took part in the “revenge attack”. Judge John Reddihough gave a 30-month sentence to Munir and jailed Tokeer for 39 months. Munir Hussain, who trained as an engineer, came to Britain in 1964 and founded a company that employs nine people and with a turnover of £2.4 million. He is a former chairman of the Wycombe Race Equality Council. Judge Reddihough said that Hussain’s family had been subject to a “serious and wicked offence” and praised the bravery of his teenage son, who escaped to raise the alarm. He also noted the “courage” of Munir Hussain, but said that he carried out a “dreadful, violent attack” on Salem as he lay defenceless. The judge told them: “If persons were permitted to take the law into their own hands and inflict their own instant and violent punishment on an apprehended offender rather than letting justice take its course, then the rule of law and our system of criminal justice, which are the hallmarks of a civilised society, would collapse.” Michael Wolkind, QC, defending Munir Hussain, promised to appeal. He said that the case had similarities to that of Tony Martin, jailed in 2000 for shooting dead a teenage burglar. Martin’s murder conviction was reduced on appeal to manslaughter and his sentence to five years. In a statement, the family said: “We are devastated. We hope that justice will be served.” [/QUOTE] I would request that OP get rid of the daily mail and replace it with this or some other, not so obviously bias source. [editline]05:05PM[/editline] Tells you more about what happened and shows both sides.

The use of force wasn't in proportion to the crime committed. I'm a fan of tying up the assailant, and forcing them to listen to BeeGees for a week straight, while being force-fed caffeine pills.

[QUOTE=Morphology53;18965310]The use of force wasn't in proportion to the crime committed. I'm a fan of tying up the assailant, and forcing them to listen to Jonas Brothers/Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana for a week straight, while being force-fed caffeine pills.[/QUOTE] Fixed for truthness.

[quote]Salem was the only intruder caught after the incident in September last year, but his injuries meant that he was not fit to plead after being charged with false imprisonment. Salem, who has 50 past convictions, was given a two-year supervision order in September this year. He is now in custody awaiting trial for an alleged credit card fraud.[/quote] Would it help you all knowing that this guy who was responsible for the attack (holding the victims family hostage) has 50 past convictions? His brain is now raspberry jam. I don't think he's going to be committing anymore crimes for the rest of his days.

Who better to punish the criminal than the victims? Who better knows the amount of punishment that should be alloted, than the person who suffered? The justice system exists as a way of punishing criminals when the victims are unable to themselves. In my opinion, these scumbags should have been executed anyway. So it's really awful that he didn't manage to finish him off. Just to put this in perspective, what would you do if a gang of five cruel monsters in black masks carrying knives, forced your family to the ground, put knives to their throats and threatened to kill them. "TELLS US WHERE MONEY IS OR WE'LL FUCKIN' STAB EM'." Think about if someone did or said that about your friend, parents, or sister. This man had every right to chase this man down and punish him. And the fact that he was a repeat offender just makes it even better, since he's done shit like this before, and now he can't hurt anyone else again. This man performed a civic duty, I'd call him a hero and salute his bravery in confronting the man who did this. Not lock him away and call him a vigilante. Remember, this man didn't choose this situation, the scum who broke into his home and targeted him forced it on him. Anyone who stands by and judges him for chasing after the people who did this, are hypocrites and people who've never been in a dangerous situation like that. Nobody acts reasonably, he wasn't a police officer, he hadn't had any special training on how to deal with this shit. He made a quick decision by instinct almost, and did what he could to make sure these people didn't get away to hurt his family again. An innocent man has had his life taken away for three years. If murderers can get off on a plea of temporary insanity, why can't this man be forgiven for overreacting? True, he made a mistake but a violent criminals life has very little value to society or individuals anyway. An uncaring bastard who hurts people without a second thought is gone, and I doubt anyone will mourn what happened to him. People who feel an obligation to someone like that, over a decent man who works to care for his family every day are worthless imbeciles. When you deliberately, with intent hurt someone. You forefeit your rights as a human being. If you hurt someone, don't expect mercy or forgiveness. Not everyone is forgiving. EDIT I'd just like to add that I'm not talking entirely about a person defending themself here, I'm talking about the victim's right to punish the person who hurts them. Why should we punish the victim as well, by taking satisfaction from them?

I really hope that none of you guys ever find yourselves needing to turn to crime. Cause if everyone thinks the way you do now..

[QUOTE=AngryAsshole;18965522]Who better to punish the criminal than the victims? The justice system exists as a way of punishing criminals when the victims are unable to themselves. In my opinion, these scumbags should have been executed anyway. So it's really awful that he didn't manage to finish him off.[/QUOTE] You... Just... Shoot... Yourself.....

Yes, of course it is perfectly fine to chase down someone who is running away, get him on the ground and hit him with a cricket bat so many times that the cricket bat shatters and the guy on the ground is left with permanent brain damage that sure is a reasonable amount of force :jerkbag:

[QUOTE=Hezzy;18965714]Yes, of course it is perfectly fine[/QUOTE] Yes it is :downs:

30 months. That's harsh. [editline]06:33PM[/editline] [QUOTE=johanz;18965785]Yes it is :downs:[/QUOTE] What if he died?

[QUOTE=Hezzy;18965714]Yes, of course it is perfectly fine to chase down someone who is running away, get him on the ground and hit him with a cricket bat so many times that the cricket bat shatters and the guy on the ground is left with permanent brain damage that sure is a reasonable amount of force :jerkbag:[/QUOTE] It is perfectly fine. Just because you can sympathize with criminals, don't expect anyone else to show restraint. These peoples lives are fucking worthless. I'd rather die than turn to hurting decent people. The very act of hurting an innocent person, devalues your existence. The only thing that seperates people from animals, is our ability to judge right from wrong. When you stop caring about right and wrong, you are nothing. Why are you so uncaring?

[QUOTE=catch33;18941444]I fucking hate my country.[/QUOTE] And we all hate you back, son.

[QUOTE=SenorJose;18965967]And we all hate you back, son.[/QUOTE] I love my country, I hate the idiots that fill it though.

[QUOTE=AngryAsshole;18965885]It is perfectly fine. Just because you can sympathize with criminals, don't expect anyone else to show restraint. These peoples lives are fucking worthless. I'd rather die than turn to hurting decent people. The very act of hurting an innocent person, devalues your existence. The only thing that seperates people from animals, is our ability to judge right from wrong. When you stop caring about right and wrong, you are nothing. Why are you so uncaring?[/QUOTE] Believe it or not we don't all live in bubbles all our lives.

[QUOTE=AngryAsshole;18965885]It is perfectly fine. Just because you can sympathize with criminals, don't expect anyone else to show restraint. These peoples lives are fucking worthless. I'd rather die than turn to hurting decent people. The very act of hurting an innocent person, devalues your existence. The only thing that seperates people from animals, is our ability to judge right from wrong. When you stop caring about right and wrong, you are nothing. Why are you so uncaring?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=reasonable+force+UK+law&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a[/url]

[QUOTE=Hezzy;18966032][url]http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=reasonable+force+UK+law&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a[/url][/QUOTE] The law can be changed. Just forget it, I was hoping you'd respond sincerely and tell me why I'm wrong and that 'Every persons life has equal value'. [QUOTE=A.C.I.D;18966030]Believe it or not we don't all live in bubbles all our lives.[/QUOTE] Sorry I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was talking about 20x20 hindsight, and that you can't judge someone unless you've been in the same situation yourself. I'm sure alot of people don't agree with me, and think I'm too extreme. But I don't think everyone here understands human suffering at all.

Our laws are better than US laws where you can shoot someone for misplacing their foot on your property.

[QUOTE=Kingy_who;18966254]Our laws are better than US laws where you can shoot someone for misplacing their foot on your property.[/QUOTE] The American constitution guarantees a citizen the right to defend there family, self and property from attackers. It doesn't justify murdering people without reason. I believe that you also have to give a verbal warning or have signs up warning people. I agree that this is unfair perhaps on the person who's trespassing. But isn't that the whole point of this law/way of doing things? It's to dissuade criminals from committing crimes on other people. And to be honest, I think our laws are terrible. I think they provide too much beneft for people accused of crimes, while the victims are left to suffer with little recourse or support.

[QUOTE=AngryAsshole;18966127]The law can be changed. Just forget it, I was hoping you'd respond sincerely and tell me why I'm wrong and that 'Every persons life has equal value'. Sorry I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was talking about 20x20 hindsight, and that you can't judge someone unless you've been in the same situation yourself. I'm sure alot of people don't agree with me, and think I'm too extreme. But I don't think everyone here understands human suffering at all.[/QUOTE] It isn't right to make criminals suffer, it makes us no better than them. They should be locked away from the public.