Valve pulls Hatred from Greenlight due to disagreeing with the subject matter of the game.
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[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;46721285]And how is a game based around it anywhere enjoyable?
Sounds even more boring than CoD, unless whoever plays it is into that stuff...[/QUOTE]
Great, don't play it.
You're ensuring it gets more attention and a larger audience by shouting "I don't like thing!"
Ive been thinking about this and I get people crying censorship I really do but I think just from a business standpoint Valve doesn't want to associate themselves with that game because when it DOES release it's going to be an even bigger scandal.
They're fine with the hentai games or the pigeon dating simulators I think because besides a kotaku article those will probably never get mainstream attention
Hatred was everywhere when it was announced, every single gaming site picked up when it actually rleeases if ever it'll be non stop discussion from everywhere.
On one hand though by taking it off the biggest gaming marketplace in the world it does effectively cut off an undeniable amount of sale possibility. And it does raise the question as to why Postal is okay (Although one can argue Postal is at least attempting to be parody, whereas Hatred seems to be taking the straightlaced option)
I don't blame them but I fully understand why people are mad about this.
In the end, if you DESPERATELY need hatred in your life, get it from the website. It's not being cancelled or anything just taken off steam
For those that don't understand how this game could possibly appeal to people: Sometimes you just want to indulge in the act of being a monstrous bastard and running amok. The more chaos, fire, explosions, and the higher the bodycount, the better.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;46721560]For those that don't understand how this game could possibly appeal to people: Sometimes you just want to indulge in the act of being a monstrous bastard and running amok. The more chaos, fire, explosions, and the higher the bodycount, the better.[/QUOTE]
I'll just load up Saints Row 3 then.
The other thing I think is really amusing about hatred is it's bringing literally nothing new to the table other than a black and white art style.
A game about a dude in a trenchcoat going on a murdering spree is literally postal I mean that's the reason the comparison comes up
Even the title font is basically the DOOM logo.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46721137]There is also something to be said about Valve communicating this to the community. The page was blocked for everyone and all we got was Doug Laidlaw telling Eurogamer "Yeah we didn't feel like distributing it".
Tens of thousands of people wanted to see this game on Steam and we get that? When K-Mart and Target stopped distributing GTAV they atleast made a public statement about it. It shows a lot of arrogance on Valves part, like they don't owe anyone an explanation.[/QUOTE]
Well, they don't. Valve isn't obligated to sell anything, and they aren't obligated to tell you when they don't want to sell something. Honestly it's not that hard to see why they wouldn't want to sell garbage like this anyways.
[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;46721592]I'll just load up Saints Row 3 then.
The other thing I think is really amusing about hatred is it's bringing literally nothing new to the table other than a black and white art style.
A game about a dude in a trenchcoat going on a murdering spree is literally postal I mean that's the reason the comparison comes up
Even the title font is basically the DOOM logo.[/QUOTE]
It is a POSTAL clone. And this will be funny, because POSTAL: REDUX comes out next year on Unreal Engine 4. Wonder if Valve will object to that as well.
[QUOTE=Idzo;46721466]The problem is,what is 'offensive material' in Valve's eyes?
It just seems things that bring bad press.[/QUOTE]
"Offensive material" can mean anything Valve wants it to mean. If a game has content that Valve does not want on its store, then it has "offensive material".
As posted by the devs on [url=https://www.facebook.com/destructivecreationsteam/photos/a.367406143426716.1073741828.311540585679939/386700341497296/?type=1]their facebook[/url], the game received over 13,000 votes of support and reached an overall #7 rank in the short couple of hours it was available on Greenlight:
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[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;46721486]the devs really have outdone themself on this because this game literrally needs no marketing just by existing it does itself[/QUOTE]
I sure would've forgotten about it if the assclowns in the press stopped harping about how bad it is
[QUOTE=Marphy Black;46721627]As posted by the devs on [url=https://www.facebook.com/destructivecreationsteam/photos/a.367406143426716.1073741828.311540585679939/386700341497296/?type=1]their facebook[/url], the game received over 13,000 votes of support and reached an overall #7 rank in the short couple of hours it was available on Greenlight:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/CqXhZCi.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
how much you wanna bet that's just because every site in the world labelled it as offensive and people felt they were fighting a cause?
If you say "DON'T PLAY THE THING" it p. much means people will play the thing
How many people go out and watch The Room because they've heard it's the worst movie ever made?
the devs totally know what they're doing.
Legitmate question though, is anyone [I]actually[/I] excited and or interested in Hatred?
To me, I can't see any reason to play it but I'm genuinely curious if there's anyone who's looking forward to it.
Why can't I access their page? I just end up on home page. Is it a country restriction because that's just fucking useless bullshit.
The game's probably going to be mediocre and nothing special, but the controversy around it is going to make it sell super-well once they find an appropriate distributor.
[QUOTE=joes33431;46720909]
you could just
you know
not buy scam games[/QUOTE]
You could you know, not buy hatred?
[QUOTE=The Calzone;46720754] Slasher flicks are, for the most part, more about the suspense felt on the part of the audience members and the adrenaline rush you get when you watch characters in dangerous situations. You want the victims to make it, and you want the killer to get stopped.[/QUOTE]As a longtime horror consumer, I'm going to have to call bull here. The standard slasher flick is entirely villain-centric, to the point where they may very well be the only recurring character. The victims are usually shallow props meant to die and [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TwentyMinutesWithJerks]the beginning of most slasher films are usually by far the worst portions because of it[/url]. A general "slasher audience" isn't holding their breath for Jock #3 to survive, they're waiting for the slasher to punch through the wall behind him and twist his head off like a cork. There are deconstructions of the slasher genre like [i]Cabin in the Woods[/i] where the entire point is to highlight how no one cares about the victims besides how amusingly they perish.
Even the less "traditional" slasher films which try to flesh out the victims, like the [i]Nightmare on Elm Street[/i] and [i]SAW[/i] series, still revolve everything around the terrible murderous psychopath to the point that his opponents are glorified speed bumps between his specific goals. Sure, some may survive by the skin of their teeth and the bad guy may even be foiled, but it's only temporary. The slasher gets to come back later to mop up whoever was left and move on to a new conflict, because he's the main character and everyone else is just a guest star.
True, there are types of horror where you are meant to empathize with the weak and helpless. To be scared as they are and root for their survival. These, however, are mostly outside of standard slasher fodder. Slasher flicks are about spectacles and pressurized blood pumps and idiots walking into dark rooms while shouting "Is anybody there?"
I wouldn't be surprised if CD Projekt RED step in and put the game on their platform. Both are Polish dev's so I'm sure they'll help a brother out.
[QUOTE=Wowza!;46721419]The guidelines for Greenlight allow Valve to remove any game with "offensive material":
[IMG]http://puu.sh/dwggH/14e35ef8fa.png[/IMG]
They've also done this earlier with another game:
[URL="http://www.pcgamer.com/valve-removes-seduce-me-from-steam-greenlight-for-offensive-material/"]http://www.pcgamer.com/valve-removes-seduce-me-from-steam-greenlight-for-offensive-material/
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So they're pretty much justified with removing the game.[/QUOTE]
They are justified no matter the cause, its there company and right.
The problem is, its a fucking stupid and hypocritical decision.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46721837]They are justified no matter the cause, its there company and right.
The problem is, its a fucking stupid and hypocritical decision.[/QUOTE]
But how? The game is just about mass murder and nothing else. How is that hypocritical in any way?
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46721917]But how? The game is just about mass murder and nothing else. How is that hypocritical in any way?[/QUOTE]
It is hypocritical because Steam's customer base actually wants the game, and votes massively for it on Greenlight only for Valve to step in and say: 'Nuh uh, you cannot have that because we said so!'.
Meanwhile, games which are oblivious pre-alphas who are getting never finished or shoddily made fetish games get through Greenlight with ridiculous price tags and that is somehow fine and dandy with Steam.
[QUOTE=Drury;46721344]HM is about killing gangsters in ways that not even gangsters deserve.
GTA is very much about killing innocents. It's within the objectives.
Spec Ops highlights how meaningless killing is.
Hatred combines all. As I said, it brings nothing new to the table yet people are flipping out.[/QUOTE]
you could play through GTA not killing anybody innocent rather than the people included in missions, which from what i can recall from GTA V's story was nobody innocent at all, disregarding Trevor who's meant to be a fucking loony
If Valve pulled it to avoid controversy they did a damn fine job.(/s) Hatred is trending #1 on Twitter, followed by Valve. Guess the context.
[QUOTE=Jordax;46721948]It is hypocritical because Steam's customer base actually wants the game, and votes massively for it on Greenlight only for Valve to step in and say: 'Nuh uh, you cannot have that because we said so!'.
Meanwhile, games which are oblivious pre-alphas who are getting never finished or shoddily made fetish games get through Greenlight with ridiculous price tags and that is somehow fine and dandy with Steam.[/QUOTE]
Two wrongs don't make a right. Greenlight has lots of issues certainly but those issues don't justify adding a game just because.
[QUOTE=Jordax;46721948]It is hypocritical because Steam's customer base actually wants the game, and votes massively for it on Greenlight only for Valve to step in and say: 'Nuh uh, you cannot have that because we said so!'.
Meanwhile, games which are oblivious pre-alphas who are getting never finished or shoddily made fetish games get through Greenlight with ridiculous price tags and that is somehow fine and dandy with Steam.[/QUOTE]
It's not hypocritical just because consumers want the game. I can see how it might be construed that Valve is hypocritical because they allow poorly made games that you dislike the subject matter of, however, that does not mean this game should be put up for sale as well. I mean the only real argument to defend the content of this game is literally "MUH MASS MURDER". There is nothing else to it.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46721917]But how? The game is just about mass murder and nothing else. How is that hypocritical in any way?[/QUOTE]
How is killing in a video game bad?
If valve had any quality control on Greenlight none of this would ever have happened.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46722017]How is killing in a video game bad?[/QUOTE]
Killing in video games isn't bad. But a video game solely about killing civilians for kicks and nothing else? Not even a story apart from "this dude is a nutter and wants to kill everyone" can be defended as "killing in a video game just like any other". You're strawmanning my argument. Chill out.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46722006]It's not hypocritical just because consumers want the game. I can see how it might be construed that Valve is hypocritical because they allow poorly made games that you dislike the subject matter of, however, that does not mean this game should be put up for sale as well. I mean the only real argument to defend the content of this game is literally "MUH MASS MURDER". There is nothing else to it.[/QUOTE]
No, it's hypocritical because valve failed to take down games which were literally and obviously from the start non-functional. Hatred is a functional game; we have seen it work. They do quality control on moral issues, but not quality control on technical issues; from a consumer standpoint, making sure a product works [I]comes first[/I].
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46722017]How is killing in a video game bad?[/QUOTE]
How is having sex in a video game bad? Valve removed a game with sexual explicit content from Greenlight two years ago and leaving aside the news articles that simply mentioned the removal nobody gave a flying fuck.
Just because their argumentation is lazy doesn't mean it's wrong.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46722017]How is killing in a video game bad?[/QUOTE]
Maybe you shouldn't intentionally ask extremely broad and vague questions that can't legitimately be answered fully.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;46722040]No, it's hypocritical because valve failed to take down games which were literally and obviously from the start non-functional. Hatred is a functional game; we have seen it work. They do quality control on moral issues, but not quality control on technical issues; from a [B]consumer standpoint[/B], making sure a product works [I]comes first[/I].[/QUOTE]
But Valve is not a consumer. They even said it themselves, they don't sell offensive content. What is offensive is up to [I]them[/I]. Boo fuckin hoo, Valve doesn't sell the game, good riddance. Go buy it somewhere else then?
[QUOTE=uber.;46722042]How is having sex in a video game bad? Valve removed a game with sexual explicit content from Greenlight two years ago and leaving aside the news articles that simply mentioned the removal nobody gave a flying fuck.
Just because their argumentation is lazy doesn't mean it's wrong.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that there are no straight out sex games on Steam right now (No, Gender Bender doesn't count), while Postal, which is basically exactly the same as Hatred, just older, is still being sold.
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