• Valve pulls Hatred from Greenlight due to disagreeing with the subject matter of the game.
    576 replies, posted
Valve has final say on whether they will allow a game on their platform. Considering the game has such a large amount of controversy surrounding it, I can't really blame them for not wanting anything to do with it. Had they kept it on, it would have generated far more bad press than them removing it.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46722076]The difference is that there are no straight out sex games on Steam right now (No, Gender Bender doesn't count), while Postal, which is basically exactly the same as Hatred just older, is still being sold.[/QUOTE] Have you even played any Postal games or are you just pulling shit out of your ass? Like take a look at the god damn cover of Apocalypse Paradise and try and tell me it's meant to be a totally serious game about just straight killing people. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/Postal2-Apocalypse-_Weekend-Boxart.png[/img]
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46722061]But Valve is not a consumer. They even said it themselves, they don't sell offensive content. What is offensive is up to them not you.[/QUOTE] I'm legitimately confused. Is the entire basis of your logic that they should be allowed to sell non-functional goods and services, with the basis of it not being their problem? I don't want to sound like my entire argument is an insult, but that logic seems [I]fucking stupid[/I].
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;46722076]Postal, which is basically exactly the same as Hatred[/QUOTE] If we aren't allowed to make assumptions about the game before it's released I don't think you're qualified to make this kind of statement either.
Honestly I'm just glad Valve is drawing a line [i]somewhere.[/i]
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;46722086]I'm legitimately confused. Is the entire basis of your logic that they should be allowed to sell non-functional goods and services, with the basis of it not being their problem? I don't want to sound like my entire argument is an insult, but that logic seems [I]fucking stupid[/I].[/QUOTE] My argument is that they can sell or refuse to sell whatever the fuck they want.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46722085]Have you even played any Postal games or are you just pulling shit out of your ass? Like take a look at the god damn cover of Apocalypse Paradise and try and tell me it's meant to be a totally serious game about just straight killing people. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/Postal2-Apocalypse-_Weekend-Boxart.png[/img][/QUOTE] Have you even played the original Postal or are you just pulling shit out of your ass? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwxoNEVdUEc[/media]
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46722033]Killing in video games isn't bad. But a video game solely about killing civilians for kicks and nothing else? Not even a story apart from "this dude is a nutter and wants to kill everyone" can be defended as "killing in a video game just like any other". You're strawmanning my argument. Chill out.[/QUOTE] Im as chill as a cucumber mister. Whats wrong with killing people as a crazy person who just wants to kill people before he gets killed since hes trying to commit suicide.
[QUOTE=Grimhound;46721979]If Valve pulled it to avoid controversy they did a damn fine job.(/s) Hatred is trending #1 on Twitter, followed by Valve. Guess the context.[/QUOTE]You've got tailored trends. Current trends in the U.S. are: [quote] #5SOSTWITCAM #illridewithyou #StraightLineSHVid Jason Motte #FranceAMovie #SelfDestruct Love & Hip Hop Christmas is in 10 Camille Cosby Vivek Murthy[/quote]
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46722118]Im as chill as a cucumber mister. Whats wrong with killing people as a crazy person who just wants to kill people before he gets killed since hes trying to commit suicide.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously asking that?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46722123]You've got tailored trends.[/QUOTE] Did not know that. Thanks for the info.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46722103]My argument is that they can sell or refuse to sell whatever the fuck they want.[/QUOTE] This I agree with. However, by the same token, consumers are allowed to criticise their decision to refuse it on the basis that it's hypocritical.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46722137]Are you seriously asking that?[/QUOTE] Yeah I am, can you answer it? Whats wrong with all that in a game. Not like we havent killed innocent people before in games, I know I have a bunch in GTA and saints row.
Not gonna read through 9 pages but the gist of it is that Hatred was pretty unnerving in the way how the NPC's reacted to the player. A lot of those executions in the trailer made me uncomfortable just because of how the NPCs were reacting.
[QUOTE=n0cturni;46722096]Honestly I'm just glad Valve is drawing a line [i]somewhere.[/i][/QUOTE] This isn't a line. This is a spot. Valve doesn't have a problem with non functional games. Valve doesn't have a problem with violent games. They only have a problem because in this particular case the game attracted controversy.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46722085]Have you even played any Postal games or are you just pulling shit out of your ass? Like take a look at the god damn cover of Apocalypse Paradise and try and tell me it's meant to be a totally serious game about just straight killing people. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/Postal2-Apocalypse-_Weekend-Boxart.png[/img][/QUOTE] Literally read the rest of the thread. And go play postal 1
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46722206]Yeah I am, can you answer it? Whats wrong with all that in a game. Not like we havent killed innocent people before in games, I know I have a bunch in GTA and saints row.[/QUOTE] You want to know what's wrong with a game that is solely about a mentally unstable person going on a killing spree hoping to die by being shot by the cops?
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46722236]You want to know what's wrong with a game that is solely about a mentally unstable person going on a killing spree hoping to die by being shot by the cops?[/QUOTE] Yes, this is the second time you asked me this question lol. Can you please explain why?
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46722236]You want to know what's wrong with a game that is solely about a mentally unstable person going on a killing spree hoping to die by being shot by the cops?[/QUOTE] Well yeah, what's wrong with it. Is fantasy too vivid?
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46722236]You want to know what's wrong with a game that is solely about a mentally unstable person going on a killing spree hoping to die by being shot by the cops?[/QUOTE] What's wrong with Rampage (2009) which was a reasonably good movie about a mentally unstable person going on a killing spree in a graphic fashion? What's wrong with American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis, which is a good book about a mentally unstable person killing people in a graphic fashion?
Valve is under no obligation to release a game on their services that they feel will negatively impact their reputation due to its controversy. It's their choice/right to do it whether you think it's right or wrong. Y'all act like some entitled kids. Get over it and buy it elsewhere.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;46722236]You want to know what's wrong with a game that is solely about a mentally unstable person going on a killing spree hoping to die by being shot by the cops?[/QUOTE] You seem to imply that there is something morally wrong, but why? It's not real, it a game. Can you really not make that distinction? It doesn't hurt anyone, it's not going convince anyone that murder is cool and to re-enact the game, just like Metal doesn't or violent films don't. Those sorts of arguments don't hold a candle then, and they certainly don't now. So really, what is so wrong about it?
[QUOTE=Eonart;46722345]Because all the shitty fetish games, early access games with 2 weeks of development time in total and actual complete scams don't negatively affect their reputation?[/QUOTE] Yeah and they probably do negatively impact their reputation, but that's their problem to deal with. But shitty anime porn games don't have nearly as much publicity as this game does, for whatever reason they took special offense with Hatred. If they decide to keep all of the other bullshit that's their choice.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46722320]Valve is under no obligation to release a game on their services that they feel will negatively impact their reputation due to its controversy. It's their choice/right to do it whether you think it's right or wrong. Y'all act like some entitled kids. Get over it and buy it elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Having the right to do something doesn't make you above criticism.
I just want to play a game where I can rob banks and kill hundreds of police. Is that anywhere on steam? [B]Edit:[/B] It also has to glorify crime
aw damn it i was looking forward to getting this in my steam library
[QUOTE=Srillo;46720251]I wouldn't mind Hatred being removed, if Valve had some kind of consistent policy on this kind of shit. But they don't, they're an inconsistent, uncommunicative shit company that lets people sell scamware, and who I'm sure have a whole banner page ready to go for the release of GTAV next month. This is just Valve bowing to the cause celebre of the month.[/QUOTE] Valve is not consistent or organized in any sense of the words nowadays
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;46722397]I just want to play a game where I can rob banks and kill hundreds of police. Is that anywhere on steam? [B]Edit:[/B] It also has to glorify crime[/QUOTE] If genuinely asking, Payday 2.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46722320]Valve is under no obligation to release a game on their services that they feel will negatively impact their reputation due to its controversy. It's their choice/right to do it whether you think it's right or wrong. Y'all act like some entitled kids. Get over it and buy it elsewhere.[/QUOTE] No it's literally like Nazi Germany's censorship and my third amendment rights are being violated That CAD comic on the first page actually does more to explain why the games are different than expose any kind of hypocrisy.
Valve is literally assaulting my freedom by banning Hatred. My local member of parliament is going to hear about this. Damn you valve!
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.