• Valve pulls Hatred from Greenlight due to disagreeing with the subject matter of the game.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;46722444]No it's literally like Nazi Germany's censorship and my third amendment rights are being violated[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lonestriper;46722449]Valve is literally assaulting my freedom by banning Hatred. My local member of parliament is going to hear about this. Damn you valve![/QUOTE] Ya'll aren't even taking thirty seconds to skim the thread before replying. Valve choosing not to carry a game is not censorship. Valve choosing not to carry a game because it's violent but having no problem with carrying all sorts of scams, broken games, weirdass DeviantArt fetish fuel, and other extremely violent games is hypocritical. Valve choosing to ban this one when there are already worse offenders on Steam shows that they're not taking an ethical stance, they're kowtowing to outrage. Having the perfectly reasonable right not to carry a game that they find offensive does not make them immune to the perfectly reasonable right to criticize them for being inconsistent in their reasoning.
postal STILL wasn't greenlit you know right these guys forced controversy to get attention and now because of it, they can't go on steam all the controversy from postal and manhunt were LONG gone when they were added to steam
[QUOTE=Untouch;46722497]postal STILL wasn't greenlit you know right these guys forced controversy to get attention and now because of it, they can't go on steam all the controversy from postal and manhunt were LONG gone when they were added to steam[/QUOTE] How did they force controversy? They just paid the $100 and applied for Greenlight. They reached #7. They were going to be greenlit. Then Valve freaked the fuck out and pulled the plug. They've certainly played to the controversy, but they haven't forced it.
I want to like Valve, but all their recent shit regarding greenlight, quality assurance, and customer service makes it hard to do that
i don't mean the greenlight shit, I mean the shit they did before just making a aimless murder simulator to stir up media attention, and it worked trying to be edgy and dark is what got the game in the limelight if it wasn't so edgy people probably wouldn't have cared and it would've slipped onto steam without this shit
[t]http://i.imgur.com/ckxcncc.jpg[/t] Found this over on 8chan. Gave me a good laugh.
[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;46722215]Not gonna read through 9 pages but the gist of it is that Hatred was pretty unnerving in the way how the NPC's reacted to the player. A lot of those executions in the trailer made me uncomfortable just because of how the NPCs were reacting.[/QUOTE] So we should refuse games that makes you feel uncomfortable? [sp]horror games[/sp]
Why do you guys want to play this game so bad? It looks dumb as hell [editline]15th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;46722495] Having the perfectly reasonable right not to carry a game that they find offensive does not make them immune to the perfectly reasonable right to criticize them for being inconsistent in their reasoning.[/QUOTE] I'm okay with them doing this, since I can understand that they don't want bad publicity for distributing a game with as much controversy around it as this one.
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46722779]Why do you guys want to play this game so bad? It looks dumb as hell [editline]15th December 2014[/editline] I'm okay with them doing this, since I can understand that they don't want bad publicity for distributing a game with as much controversy around it as this one.[/QUOTE] It's not that most f us want to buy it, but we don't want censorship like this.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46722771]So we should refuse games that makes you feel uncomfortable? [sp]horror games[/sp][/QUOTE] More like Gone Home [editline]16th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Destroyox;46722562]I want to like Valve, but all their recent shit regarding greenlight, quality assurance, and customer service makes it hard to do that[/QUOTE] They are dominating the digital distribution market, they can do whatever they want.
The problem is not that people want to play Hatred. The problem is that Hatred was pulled for what are essentially spurious reasons. Steam has Manhunt, Postal, and GTA in it's volumes. Each one of these are more "ultraviolent" than Hatred. They are offensive. Steam has Sunrider, Gender Bender DNA Twister Extreme, and a rapidly growing catalogue of Ecchi games in it's volumes. These games are sexually explicit in nature. That is, they are offensive. Hatred was pulled because it was offensive. No detailed statement, no other justification. If the Terms of Service are not a set of clearly spelled out rules, but instead a shield to rationalize fundamentally random decisions behind, there is a problem. Steam would be in it's rights not to sell Hatred. However if they so choose not to, then a modicum of consistency is demanded. If they will not sell Hatred they must not sell Manhunt or Postal. To pull the game, and those games, would be adherence to the letter of their own law law and driving market forces. To pull the game for any other reason AND let the others stand is market-censorship, pure and simple. That is wrong.
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46722779]Why do you guys want to play this game so bad? It looks dumb as hell [/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-q5BfMIE6M[/media]
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46722779]Why do you guys want to play this game so bad? It looks dumb as hell [editline]15th December 2014[/editline] I'm okay with them doing this, since I can understand that they don't want bad publicity for distributing a game with as much controversy around it as this one.[/QUOTE] Most of us don't even like it, it's just that it would've been greenlit if it weren't for the negative reception of the press. They're no longer listening to consumers, just the special kind.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;46722829]This isn't censorship, you guys need to seriously pick up a dictionary, Steam is just a single store it isn't the only place you can buy PC games.[/QUOTE] Any game that uses steamworks is steam only. And that includes a fairly large selection.
This is some bullshit, valve has become shit recently.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;46722829]This isn't censorship, you guys need to seriously pick up a dictionary, Steam is just a single store it isn't the only place you can buy PC games.[/QUOTE] Censorship doesn't only mean a big nationwide ban. Valve restricting what games from entering Steam is a form of censorship.
So people complain when the game is revealed that it's "too violent" and it's a "literal murder simulator". It gets taken down for those complaints, people complain that it's censorship. Make up your fucking minds, already.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;46722894]So people complain when the game is revealed that it's "too violent" and it's a "literal murder simulator". It gets taken down for those complaints, people complain that it's censorship. Make up your fucking minds, already.[/QUOTE] The vocal minority whines. When people listen to the vocal minority, the people that generally roll their eyes at the vocal minority get up and become vocal themselves.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;46722896]Hatred is a single-player only game, whatever they're doing with Steamworks is either achievements or cloud saving.. the former is entirely possible without Steamworks, and the latter is just a convenience that they can live without.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about Hatred. Don't care about that game. I do care about many others that are steam only. I'd gladly buy games elsewhere but many are tied to steam. [QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;46722894]So people complain when the game is revealed that it's "too violent" and it's a "literal murder simulator". It gets taken down for those complaints, people complain that it's censorship. Make up your fucking minds, already.[/QUOTE] Not hivemind
[QUOTE=BenJammin';46722880]This is some bullshit, valve has become shit recently.[/QUOTE] I'd think all the blatant cashgrab events they have been doing along with the general lack of quality control would be more of an indicator of that than removal of a game that only has "FUCK POLITICAL CORRECTNESS XD" going for it.
[QUOTE=Pokeman493;46722920]I'd think all the blatant cashgrab events they have been doing along with the general lack of quality control would be more of an indicator of that than removal of a game that only has "FUCK POLITICAL CORRECTNESS XD" going for it.[/QUOTE] They all stack up. Many small things.
Why does everyone have an all-or-nothing mentality about this, if nobody minds me asking?
Wow, I am extremely disappointed. I'd never heard of this till right now but it looks beautiful. The concept is interesting. I've never been one who dreams of this shit IRL but it looks extremely well made and original. I'd definitely have bought it at a reasonable price. Shame on Valve. It is censorship. Revelations 2012 can get onto their store but a well polished indie title akin to a GTA, Postal hybird in top down is going to be denied? Garbage.
Greenlight. A good idea gone bad, first with zero oversight, now with too much personal opinionated oversight On the bright side, at least they said This is offensive to us so we don't want to sell it, rather than pull a bullshit story like 'Our customers don't want us to sell it' like Aussie Target. It's every store's right to not sell something if they don't want to, at least Valve is being honest as to why Still dumb, though. Some consistency would be nice. If you're pulling this for being too offensive to your sensibilities, why not pull the Scamware for being offensive to the industry
[QUOTE=Code3Response;46720157]Please name several games on steam in which their sole purpose is to simulate mass killing[/QUOTE] Hotline Miami is a good one. Manhunt is another one. Left 4 Dead series includes the slaughter of a bunch of diseased people In MW2 you have to mow down an entire airport of people, plus you deploy nukes and shit
[QUOTE=TheTalon;46722980]Greenlight. A good idea gone bad, first with zero oversight, now with too much personal opinionated oversight On the bright side, at least they said This is offensive to us so we don't want to sell it, rather than pull a bullshit story like 'Our customers don't want us to sell it' like Aussie Target. It's every store's right to not sell something if they don't want to, at least Valve is being honest as to why Still dumb, though. Some consistency would be nice. If you're pulling this for being too offensive to your sensibilities, why not pull the Scamware for being offensive to the industry[/QUOTE] There's a problem with "it's offensive to us" that they pulled. Scamware is obviously not offensive to THEM since it brings them more money.
[QUOTE=Monkah;46723024]Hotline Miami is a good one. Manhunt is another one. Left 4 Dead series includes the slaughter of a bunch of diseased people In MW2 you have to mow down an entire airport of people, plus you deploy nukes and shit[/QUOTE] Hotline Miami has you, for the most part, kill criminals. Same with Manhunt. Left 4 Dead has zombies. MW2 had you undercover in a Russian terrorist's organization. The goals of Left 4 Dead and MW2 were not to commit mass murder. The killing is Hotline Miami and Manhunt and be somewhat justified, for the most part. The only game I can really think of that simulates mass murder (besides this, of course), is the first Postal, and even then the Postal Dude had schizophrenia, and you find out in the sequel that the town was really a shithole full of awful people.
Is there even any gameplay to judge yet or are we just condemning this game from the get go? I mean aside from the trailer which is just him shooting things, I want an explanation or some commentary. Backstory, anything. I may not personally want this game, but for an odd reason I want to believe they are making it not JUST to make themselves look like fuckin' psychos.
Well i guess the reason why people are freaking out about this game because the main point is to kill innocent people. The other games like mw2, GTA V, or some other games, thats not the main point. Im just putting my opinion out.
I agree with Valve's decision but they need to do more. Greenlight as a whole needs an immense house-cleaning to be done, but not with just this title. It's ridiculous that this gets rejected while blatant shams get passed almost daily.
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