Valve pulls Hatred from Greenlight due to disagreeing with the subject matter of the game.
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Modern Warfare 2 opens in an airport where you participate in the murder of hundreds of innocent people for no reason. And that scene is arguably pointless and unnecessary considering how little it adds to the story. That game is welcome with open arms.
I feel real uneasy about giving in to moral crusaders: they nearly always base their arguments on feelings rather than logic or science.
i'll say it again, i really shouldn't have to
hotline miami, GTA, postal 1, manhunt, MW2 were not greenlit
when they were added to steam, there was no controversy surrounding them
valve isn't taking down hatred because it offends them, they're trying to avoid backlash
people were probably reporting it and sending emails
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46725323]where were you when everyone explained why "mass murder" games like GTA, MGS ( are you for real in using this as an example), and manhunt are justified and alright in comparison to hatred?
i mean, we've only done it like... 30 times in every thread about hatred since the trailer came out.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and only 25 times there was somebody to debunk it
Doesn't mean it was valid those 5 times.
[QUOTE=Crimor;46725598]Posts like this is proof that if you say bad enough shit about your opposition it will never go away. The neo nazi thing was a straight up lie.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't stop the Internet Pseudo-Feminists/SJW's from saying stuff like "I'm glad that Hatred, a problematic murder simulator which was developed by ACTUAL NEO NAZIS, was removed from Steam. We shouldn't support neo nazi propaganda WHICH HATRED CLEARLY WAS!! Those Neo nazi sympathizing gamer man babies can cry censorship all they like!"
[video=youtube;vFb06S6F0gA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFb06S6F0gA[/video]
TB talks about the issue
If there wasn't so much hate for this game I would never even know about it, but now I might even check it out one day to see what it's all about.
Edit: OK, I saw the trailer and I'm not interested any more.
I like what TB said: it's Valve's choice of what they decide to sell, but a better explanation of what rule Hatred has broken to get taken off would be nice. :/
It's the developer's choice to express artistic freedom and that may very well be the point of Hatred, to make you feel emotionally bad about what you're doing in the game. But that's not a reason to get removed off of the most popular digital distributor of video games on a games main platform.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;46726110]I like what TB said: it's Valve's choice of what they decide to sell, but a better explanation of what rule Hatred has broken to get taken off would be nice. :/
It's the developer's choice to express artistic freedom and that may very well be the point of Hatred, to make you feel emotionally bad about what you're doing in the game. But that's not a reason to get removed off of the most popular digital distributor of video games on a games main platform.[/QUOTE]
It got removed because of controversy. If there wasn't a shitstorm behind it, it would most likely pass.
What I'm curious about is what will happen to Postal Redux next year.
[url]http://www.pcgamer.com/postal-redux-confirmed-for-next-year/[/url]
[QUOTE=Simski;46725667]God I wish we could just get a TF2 or Loadout like shooter where all the characters are children. Like Lord of the Flies on crack.[/QUOTE]
There's Our Darker Purpose but that's more like Binding of Isaac in an orphanage run by Tim Burton.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46726176]It got removed because of controversy. If there wasn't a shitstorm behind it, it would most likely pass.[/QUOTE]
Valve removing it has caused way more controversy. I completely forgot this game existed until this news came up.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46725971][video=youtube;vFb06S6F0gA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFb06S6F0gA[/video]
TB talks about the issue[/QUOTE]
He pretty much nails it.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;46725172]
I do have a question for all of you, as I am pondering it myself: At what point is someone unable to justify their game by saying, "It's just a game"? At what point would we draw the line and reject a game as a society?[/QUOTE]
When playing it actually hurts people in any way. Which isn't the case.
When there are arguments against it that actually make a lick of sense instead of emotional rubbish by people who would otherwise claim violent games don't have an effect on you, but now rush to bash this game because it doesn't try to inject a sense of morality in you as you play the main character.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;46726337]Valve removing it has caused way more controversy. I completely forgot this game existed until this news came up.[/QUOTE]
Streisand effect much?
[QUOTE=wauterboi;46725172]
I do have a question for all of you, as I am pondering it myself: At what point is someone unable to justify their game by saying, "It's just a game"? At what point would we draw the line and reject a game as a society?[/QUOTE]
Well I can't say where the line should be drawn but not everything is ok. Imagine a RACE genocide game, that would not be ok. But of course the difference between killing innocent people and targetting innocent people from a specific race is murder vs hate speech and murder.
So I don't know where exactly the line is but it's not like everything is ok. Hatred is miles away from being "The most horrific game" due to it's graphics, small dev team, etc and there are a lot worse things I can imagine besides a game that makes you go around and kill "innocent NPCs".
[QUOTE=Episode;46726753]Well I can't say where the line should be drawn but not everything is ok. Imagine a RACE genocide game, that would not be ok. But of course the difference between killing innocent people and targetting innocent people from a specific race is murder vs hate speech and murder.
So I don't know where exactly the line is but it's not like everything is ok. Hatred is miles away from being "The most horrific game" due to it's graphics, small dev team, etc and there are a lot worse things I can imagine besides a game that makes you go around and kill "innocent NPCs".[/QUOTE]
What about a strategic game where you take on a role of Hitler and among all the things, one thing you can do is commit genocide against jews? Should it be rejected or not since it's based on true events? What about a book where character commits genocide? Bad? What about media where you commit genocide against fictional races? Where do we draw the line and why?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46726792]What about a strategic game where you take on a role of Hitler and among all the things, one thing you can do is commit genocide against jews? Should it be rejected or not since it's based on true events? What about a book where character commits genocide? Bad? What about media where you commit genocide against fictional races? Where do we draw the line and why?[/QUOTE] This counts with my example, race genocide simulators are not ok. An RTS game where you play as Hitler and command ARMIES is ok but as long as they leave out the Holocaust part. Now the "Fictional race" genocide simulator, that is obviously not ok. Regardless if the race is real or not, it obviously sends a "good" message about genocide. Certain things are taboo in society, obviously killing a specific race is but not murder itself. Case in point, POSTAL.
Honestly I'm glad the game got pulled, mainly because it looks shit but that's just me.
I honestly have no problem with Steam taking games off of their storefront, especially if they've gone/are going through greenlight since then Valve are technically publishing it for them, but I just wish they would outline what is and isn't acceptable. I think too many people are making this out to be a feminist/censorship thing (lol) when really it should be about how Steam is terrible and how they should improve it.
[QUOTE=realtaylers;46726849]Honestly I'm glad the game got pulled, mainly because it looks shit but that's just me.[/QUOTE] That's a pretty shitty reason. Imagine if a game you liked (a game that didn't have the controversy Hatred has) was removed for other reasons and someone said the same thing as you?
You're literally saying "I didn't like this game, THANK GOD NO ONE GOT THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT!"
Explain to me why this has been taken down and Air Control still hasn't been despite being a broken mess.
The way Steam does business itself is broken and it has been showing for the last few years.
[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;46726880]Explain to me why this has been taken down and Air Control still hasn't been despite being a broken mess.
The way Steam does business itself is broken and it has been showing for the last few years.[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly sure air control was taken down, it just took them fucking forever to do it.
[QUOTE=Episode;46726847]This counts with my example, race genocide simulators are not ok. An RTS game where you play as Hitler and command ARMIES is ok but as long as they leave out the Holocaust part. Now the "Fictional race" genocide simulator, that is obviously not ok. Regardless if the race is real or not, it obviously sends a "good" message about genocide. Certain things are taboo in society, obviously killing a specific race is but not murder itself. Case in point, POSTAL.[/QUOTE]
I find it hilarious that glorifying murder is cool and fun as long as you're not discriminating.
[QUOTE=Pokeman493;46726905]I'm fairly sure air control was taken down, it just took them fucking forever to do it.[/QUOTE]
Good Riddance, there are still plenty of other pieces of shit out there though.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46726792]What about a strategic game where you take on a role of Hitler and among all the things, one thing you can do is commit genocide against jews? Should it be rejected or not since it's based on true events? What about a book where character commits genocide? Bad? What about media where you commit genocide against fictional races? Where do we draw the line and why?[/QUOTE]
Hell, there are already games that allow you to commit genocide. It's possible in most Total War games.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46726931]I find it hilarious that glorifying murder is cool and fun as long as you're not discriminating.[/QUOTE] What is your point? Do you really feel like an Ethnic Cleansing game is equal to a game where you're told to kill random innocent people? One is a game with a message about another race being despicable and the other has no message.
[QUOTE=Episode;46726861]That's a pretty shitty reason. Imagine if a game you liked (a game that didn't have the controversy Hatred has) was removed for other reasons and someone said the same thing as you?
You're literally saying "I didn't like this game, THANK GOD NO ONE GOT THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT!"[/QUOTE]
No, I'm "literally" saying "I'm glad this game got pulled, mainly because it looks like shit and hopefully that means Steam is going to actually start cracking down on shit games". If a game I liked got pulled I'd probably be kind of annoyed but Steam's right to do so if they want and it's probably available elsewhere. As for someone saying it looks like shit in that hypothetical, I don't really care what people think of the games I like, most of them are trash anyway.
[QUOTE=Episode;46726967]What is your point? Do you really feel like an Ethnic Cleansing game is equal to a game where you're told to kill random innocent people? One is a game with a message about another race being despicable and the other has no message.[/QUOTE]
My point is that murder is fun as long as you pick your targets randomly. If that isn't a message I don't know what is.
Jim's take:
[video=youtube;hWyLLoPHaMk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWyLLoPHaMk[/video]
Basically sums up how I feel. Valve doesn't give half a shit about quality control, they're only pulling this because it's controversial. The hypocrisy of allowing all the fucking drivel they let through greenlight in, and then claiming that this game isn't up to their standards of what gets on Steam is pathetic. Who cares if Hatred gets on Steam, what's actually important is that Valve starts policing their storefront.
[QUOTE=realtaylers;46727011]No, I'm "literally" saying "I'm glad this game got pulled, mainly because it looks like shit and hopefully that means Steam is going to actually start cracking down on shit games". If a game I liked got pulled I'd probably be kind of annoyed but Steam's right to do so if they want and it's probably available elsewhere. As for someone saying it looks like shit in that hypothetical, I don't really care what people think of the games I like, most of them are trash anyway.[/QUOTE] Except that's what you think, again same idea "I don't like it, neither will anyone else". I myself don't particularly like the game due to how the gameplay works and feels and the edgy basement dweller thing (while funny) it's a turn off when I legit want to play unironically. But that doesn't mean "WELL, IF I THINK IT'S SHIT, SO WILL EVERYONE ELSE"
[QUOTE=Episode;46727038]Except that's what you think, again same idea "I don't like it, neither will anyone else". I myself don't particularly like the game due to how the gameplay works and feels and the edgy basement dweller thing (while funny) it's a turn off when I legit want to play unironically. But that doesn't mean "WELL, IF I THINK IT'S SHIT, SO WILL EVERYONE ELSE"[/QUOTE]
Except that's not what I'm saying at all. I never even said other people won't like it, I'm sure that some people might, but I think it looks like shit and I hope this means Steam will start to pull other games that are shit. My problem with it is they're so inconsistent as to what they remove, and most people seem to be complaining that they shouldn't have removed this rather than that they should have given a valid reason.
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