Townhall protests against "Obamacare" turned into battle zones - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16574188]Wow you don't know anything about socialism or communism, do you? Communism is strictly an economic school. It has nothing to do with controlling a person's social life. I think you have communism confused with stalinism.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism[/url] [quote] Communism (from Latin: communis = "common") is a family of economic and political ideas [b]and social movements related to the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, or stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general, as well as the name given to such a [u]society.[/u][/b] [/quote] PRESENT TIEM NAOW [media]http://www.chapeaumelon.fr/files/Image/Copie%20de%20office-charle-low-res%20again.jpg[/media]

[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16574268][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism[/url][/QUOTE] no, here's the thing: you're interpreting the use of the word society as an indicator of social control. It only controls society in the economic side, not in the non-economic (often called social) side of society. Communism simply means a communally owned market, it does not inherently involve government control of your non-economic life.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16574317]no, here's the thing: you're interpreting the use of the word society as an indicator of social control. It only controls society in the economic side, not in the non-economic (often called social) side of society. Communism simply means a communally owned market, it does not inherently involve government control of your non-economic life.[/QUOTE] But mister lemon pop, if everyone is economically on the same level, everyone has the same opportunities (hardly any) for any private aspect of their lives.

[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16574356]But mister lemon pop, if everyone is economically on the same level, everyone has the same opportunities (hardly any) for any private aspect of their lives.[/QUOTE] opportunities does not mean choices there's more to life than just what objects you can and can't have a totalitarian government would control those things as well, who you have sex with, how you act, who you pray to. Plain communism does not have anything to do with those things

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16574636]opportunities does not mean choices there's more to life than just what objects you can and can't have a totalitarian government would control those things as well, who you have sex with, how you act, who you pray to. Plain communism does not have anything to do with those things[/QUOTE] Give me an example of a plain Communist country please. (Not being an ass, I genuinely want to know a country..)

[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16574713]Give me an example of a plain Communist country please. (Not being an ass, I genuinely want to know a country..)[/QUOTE] None exist. Pretty much all communist countries in the world right now are actually oligarchies masquerading as communism. I'm not a communist, I just don't like it when people don't understand what they are talking about.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16574766]None exist. Pretty much all communist countries in the world right now are actually oligarchies masquerading as communism. I'm not a communist, I just don't like it when people don't understand what they are talking about.[/QUOTE] whoever voted this dumb doesn't know what he's talking about and should probably stop posting forever that means you guy who voted it dumb

[QUOTE=Chippay;16574837]whoever voted this dumb doesn't know what he's talking about and should probably stop posting forever that means you guy who voted it dumb[/QUOTE] :respek:

Long post is long. The thing I don't get about these protests is that most of them seem to be acting on fear rather than issues. I'd imagine it's mostly the same crowd who were at the Tea Party rallies. And I'd also imagine they were probably the same ones complaining about effigies of Bush being burned and the RNC Welcoming Committee. And now they're doing the same. Some of these people are going into borderline stalking and violence. A number of representatives here in Texas have received death threats over this and getting confronted in parking lots of stores. Most of these people are acting on impulse and fear, be it through certain politically-motivated groups or those wonderful chain emails. Many are coming armed with "hard-hitting" questions involving yelling "socialized medicine" every so often. With all the problems that some, say in countries of Europe and Canada, might have with their attempts at Universal Healthcare- be it Government-run, hybrid (public and private options), or regulated- you don't see many wanting to change their system into the way America runs things. America's system is horribly broke in regards to this. It's kind of idiotic that the US spends more per person in regards to healthcare than nations which have government run healthcare, yet still have the problems they do. The majority of our care is for the elderly via Medicare (and no, it's not from illegals and freeloaders draining our system, hicks), and medicare costs keep going up and taking up a large portion of our budget. Infact I believe if you take healthcare costs all together they're contributing the most to the rising deficits. I can understand having problems with Obama's plan, I have some problems with it too, but just to bury the healthcare debate like that? Come on. The issue lies with the costs. Doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and insurance companies charge and make more than their contemporaries would do elsewhere. Those costs need to be kept stable and under control if any attempt at Universal Healthcare will succeed. The irony here is that the US government is already heavily involved in the medical field as it is. Most of you suburb kids probably have some sort of nice healthcare from your parents' work insurance, which is guaranteed through government subsidies to insurance corporations to make it more affordable for employers to provide. Unfortunately that method stopped working too well after the 1970s. And with that being said the general medical field would find it hard to stand alone by itself. It requires massive government support as it's generally unprofitable with out it. As I said before, a considerable portion of healthcare's portion is from the elderly, most of whom use medicare. The current abuses by certain groups, like insurance and profit-motivated professionals, are only possible because the whole general system managing this is so inefficient and attempts to reconcile market-based principles with something like medicine... I am skeptical with Obama's plan because at the present it's trying to [I]reconcile[/I] itself with the status quo rather than focusing on updating medical billing technology, controlling costs, and fixing problems with costs of multiple visits. UHC won't mean anything if costs aren't kept stable. However simply casting Universal Healthcare to the wind is not a good solution. It's idiotic that the US still is the only nation with out any guarantee of universal healthcare.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16574892]:respek:[/QUOTE] :respek:

[QUOTE=MercZ;16575365]With all the problems that some, say in countries of Europe and Canada, might have with their attempts at Universal Healthcare- be it Government-run, hybrid (public and private options), or regulated- you don't see many wanting to change their system into the way America runs things. America's system is horribly broke in regards to this. It's kind of idiotic that the US spends more per person in regards to healthcare than nations which have government run healthcare, yet still have the problems they do. The majority of our care is for the elderly via Medicare (and no, it's not from illegals and freeloaders draining our system, [u][b]hicks[/b][/u]), and medicare costs keep going up and taking up a large portion of our budget. The issue lies with the costs. Doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and insurance companies charge and make more than their contemporaries would do elsewhere. Those costs need to be kept stable and under control if any attempt at Universal Healthcare will succeed. The irony here is that the US government is already heavily involved in the medical field as it is. Most of you suburb kids probably have some sort of nice healthcare from your parents' work insurance, which is guaranteed through government subsidies to insurance corporations to make it more affordable for employers to provide. Unfortunately that method stopped working too well after the 1970s. And with that being said the general medical field would find it hard to stand alone by itself. It requires massive government support as it's generally unprofitable with out it. The current abuses by certain groups, like insurance and twisted professionals, are only possible because the whole general system managing this is so inefficient and attempts to reconcile market-based principles with something like medicine...[/QUOTE] WHY THE ASDLGMASDG DO PEOPLE THINK THAT EVERYONE WHO IS CONSERVATIVE IS A HICK? LET ME GIVE A LIST OF CONSERVATIVES THAT AREN'T HICKS. LET THE CHARLES LESSON BEGIN: BEN STEIN HOARS [IMG]http://halfwaytoconcord.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/ben-stein.jpg[/IMG] RICHARD SCARRY (OK I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS OR NOT BUT IT IS WORTH A TRY) [IMG]http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/scarry_01.jpg[/IMG] GOATSE GUY [url]http://www.w3bbo.com/forums/Goatse-Original_Ring.jpg[/url] TOO LAZY TO GET MOAR MAY CHARLES MARTIN OF ALL ABOVE UNBLESS YOUR LOVELY POODLES FOR ALL ETERNITY [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Goatse with no warning or media tags." - ventilated))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=dot_anthem;16575475]WHY THE ASDLGMASDG DO PEOPLE THINK THAT EVERYONE WHO IS CONSERVATIVE IS A HICK? [/QUOTE] I didn't say every conservative is a hick. Where are you getting that? I'm just referring to certain people living around me up here in Texas who think our healthcare system is where it is because of minorities and illegals.

this is a complicated issue :( there are people who want to help and people who just want to make money its hard... just remember this, the world is a stage

[QUOTE=arimi;16576507]this is a complicated issue :( there are people who want to help and people who just want to make money its hard... just remember this, the world is a stage[/QUOTE] gotta say that made no sense and has nothing to do with the topic at hand kthxbai

MAN THE HARPOONS! HE IS THE FALSE PROPHIT RAWRDFHTAGHFDSHGHSGHSHSGH! :v:

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16553728]Old people after Obamacare comes into effect: [img]http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5757/hnngsu5.jpg[/img] :v:[/QUOTE] This is the sort of brilliance I expect only from you Sam.

[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;16573413] I didn't realize California ceded from the union (look up pain's profile.)[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure the UK isn't part of california

"Let's show our over exaggerated patriotism by going against the one thing we love; the government! Us protesters can only achieve critical mass when we destroy that which we do not hate. We won't be able to afford our privatized medicine if we have to pay taxes for nationalized health-care! What makes this worse? This whole thing is being construed by the biggest liar of all; Obama! The god damn communist bastard is running our beautiful country into the ground! WHERE WERE YOU BORN. SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, COMMIE!" That's basically what I get from all these protesters. They don't like the fact that everyone can get health-care, so now it's time to run the country in to the ground. Everyone and anyone who even thinks about going to those protests is a prick, and they know it.

So will you have to pay increased taxes on top of your private insurance plan or will it mean that you only pay increased taxes and don't have to pay your insurance plan anymore? If it's the second one I reall don't see wat everyone's complaining about, unless there's some warped elitism in America that stems from having health cover?

[QUOTE=Hallucinate;16578060]So will you have to pay increased taxes on top of your private insurance plan or will it mean that you only pay increased taxes and don't have to pay your insurance plan anymore? If it's the second one I reall don't see wat everyone's complaining about, unless there's some warped elitism in America that stems from having health cover?[/QUOTE] Think of it like the school system. Everyone pays taxes to keep public healthcare free and available for anyone, but people who can afford it can get a private health insurer. The advantages of paying for a private insurer will only be revealed once we get an idea of how good the public coverage is, though. In any case, after this bill is passed eventually, it will be a lot nicer to know that you'll hopefully never be forced to pick which toe you want stitched back on due to your insurance company finding some loophole in your coverage.

Notice how most of these protests are in hillbilly areas. Yet again, servile dogs are licking the hand of the master that beats them. [QUOTE={FP}ST;16553728]Old people after Obamacare comes into effect: [img]http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5757/hnngsu5.jpg[/img] :v:[/QUOTE] [IMG_thumb]http://www.fleettrackingonline.com/Portals/0/Images/Ambulance.JPG[/IMG_thumb] [IMG_thumb]http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8919/defibrillator.jpg[/IMG_thumb] [IMG_thumb]http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1812/grandpacoolporch.jpg[/IMG_thumb]

[quote]...1,500 people came to the Tampa suburb of Ybor City to speak with Democratic State Rep. Betty Reed and U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor, an event that exploded into a near riot. According to local media reports, the larger-than-expected crowd gathered outside the Hillsborough County Children's Board building, where several hundred people, [b]most of whom opposed a government health care plan,[/b] began to loudly chant and scuffle with organizers posted at doorways after the auditorium filled to capacity. A freelance videographer was roughed up in an altercation, which damaged his camera equipment and glasses, and at least one man was treated for minor injuries after a scuffle left his shirt partially torn from his body.[/quote] Oh fox, you sly little devil:cop:

Just making their side look even worse... Listen, most people that complain about the health care reform honestly have no idea what they're talking about. They don't want government interference (then we will cancel you Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security too?) but don't really get what is going to happen.

[QUOTE=AaronTAB;16582147]Notice how most of these protests are in hillbilly areas. Yet again, servile dogs are licking the hand of the master that beats them. [IMG_thumb]http://www.fleettrackingonline.com/Portals/0/Images/Ambulance.JPG[/IMG_thumb] [IMG_thumb]http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8919/defibrillator.jpg[/IMG_thumb] [IMG_thumb]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:zJeUDlln4GvglM:http://www.texasescapes.com/CentralTexasTownsSouth/GayHillFayette/GayHillCemeteryTexasJamesGayTombstone1106JT.jpg[/IMG_thumb][/QUOTE] Fixed for accuracy

This thread is fucking long. Summarize it- how is this supposedly a deathtrap for seniors?

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16574188]Wow you don't know anything about socialism or communism, do you? Communism is strictly an economic school. It has nothing to do with controlling a person's social life. I think you have communism confused with stalinism.[/QUOTE] No, you don't understand. The implications of utilizing a communist state begin to affect social aspects of society.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;16582414]This thread is fucking long. Summarize it- how is this supposedly a deathtrap for seniors?[/QUOTE] It's not, in any way, shape, or form. That's a stupid lie propagated by people who stand to profit by keeping the system the way it is.

[quote=Sigma-Lambda]Wow you don't know anything about socialism or communism, do you? Communism is strictly an economic school. It has nothing to do with controlling a person's social life. I think you have communism confused with stalinism.[/quote] Communism is a socio-economic system. It's a wholly different society. But that doesn't change how wrong the person you quoted is.

[QUOTE=AaronTAB;16582147]Notice how most of these protests are in hillbilly areas. Yet again, servile dogs are licking the hand of the master that beats them. [/QUOTE] What would you define as a hillbilly area?

Poor people getting medical help?! This is horrible!