Townhall protests against "Obamacare" turned into battle zones - Polidicks

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;16613781]Yeah I don't like Republicans either. You either support the war or you're a terrorist with them. I like to call myself a Libertarian.[/QUOTE] x2, reminds me of "No W" by Ministry.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;16613781]Yeah I don't like Republicans either. You either support the war or you're a terrorist with them. I like to call myself a Libertarian.[/QUOTE] are you for gay marriage? Or gay couples being allowed to adopt? what about abortion rights, and following that, stem cell research? what about legalization of Marijuana, or LSD, or heroin? you're against the war in Iraq, right? no real libertarian would want their tax money being spent to "bring democracy" to other countries. Any real libertarian would say that taxes are only to be used for the most essential of services 95 percent of Libertarians are just conservatives trying to look like they're above the fray

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16613761]where were you the last 8 years? Where were you during the last 8 years of "AMERICA: LOVE IT OR GET OUT" by the right wing? [editline]07:11PM[/editline] they have a right to get in our business because our business is affecting them[/QUOTE] its a stretch, but, since america invaded iraq for blatant business reasons, wouldn't that be justified since iraq's business is affecting us? i don't agree with it, but it does kind of cancel that out.

[QUOTE=Ca5bah;16613730] why can't you stay out of american matters? other countries call us nosey for getting into other matters, which is true, but other countries are also hypocrites.[/QUOTE] THIS ARE AMERICAN THREAD FOR AMERICAN PPL. But seriously. Two reasons. You want to be the leader of the free world? You open yourself up to criticism by all the people you're supposedly helping. Also, if this it is coming from a country that already has state healthcare, surely thats something worth taking on board no?

[QUOTE=Lol wut?;16613728]If the americans cant even create universal health care then how do they expect to build bases on the moon and mars?[/QUOTE] Because our government isn't supposed to serve as the answer to every single one of the people's problems.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16613807]are you for gay marriage? Or gay couples being allowed to adopt? what about abortion rights, and following that, stem cell research? what about legalization of Marijuana, or LSD, or heroin? you're against the war in Iraq, right? no real libertarian would want their tax money being spent to "bring democracy" to other countries. Any real libertarian would say that taxes are only to be used for the most essential of services 95 percent of Libertarians are just conservatives trying to look like they're above the fray[/QUOTE] I'm for all of those am I cool now?

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16613807]are you for gay marriage? Or gay couples being allowed to adopt? what about abortion rights, and following that, stem cell research? what about legalization of Marijuana, or LSD, or heroin? 95 percent of Libertarians are just conservatives trying to look like they're above the fray[/QUOTE] i can call libertarian... pro choice (unless its some porn star that gets an abortion 3 times a year) pro legalization of marijuana pro gay rights pro stem cell research (one condition, use the stem cells from aborted fetuses, don't create more to harvest them) pro small government anti tax anti welfare anti imperialism

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16613831]Because our government isn't supposed to serve as the answer to every single one of the people's problems.[/QUOTE] It's already the answer to the problems of crime (the police), invasion (the military), transportation (public roads), education (public schools), not being on fire (the fire department), and many other things. Do you really think that adding one more thing for a very, very important subject (health) would be that big a departure from the normal way the u.s. government operates?

[QUOTE=Cluckyx;16613826]THIS ARE AMERICAN THREAD FOR AMERICAN PPL. But seriously. Two reasons. You want to be the leader of the free world? You open yourself up to criticism by all the people you're supposedly helping. Also, if this it is coming from a country that already has state healthcare, surely thats something worth taking on board no?[/QUOTE] i don't care about the people we are "helping," america SHOULD be an anti-interventionist country. i disregard other countries' comments as well because america is different than those mainly western European countries. they have been run in a borderline socialist manner for years (in my opinion it is because after WWII, people were terrified to be anything remotely like the Nazi regime) and have completely different thoughts on almost every matter

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16613807]are you for gay marriage? Or gay couples being allowed to adopt? what about abortion rights, and following that, stem cell research? what about legalization of Marijuana, or LSD, or heroin? you're against the war in Iraq, right? no real libertarian would want their tax money being spent to "bring democracy" to other countries. Any real libertarian would say that taxes are only to be used for the most essential of services 95 percent of Libertarians are just conservatives trying to look like they're above the fray[/QUOTE] Fuck it all unless it's enough of a public danger that people are dropping like flies. I'm against any US involvement in any war that isn't necessary to defending our people's rights. (And the "war against terrorism" is a long long way away from that.)

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16613874]It's already the answer to the problems of crime (the police), invasion (the military), transportation (public roads), education (public schools), not being on fire (the fire department), and many other things. Do you really think that adding one more thing for a very, very important subject (health) would be that big a departure from the normal way the u.s. government operates?[/QUOTE] i do pretty plain and simple, i believe in social darwinism. if someone isn't successful, it shouldn't be the successful peoples' job to provide for them. if your job doesn't offer health care, start a protest, gets things done. look at all of the shit that protests helped fix problems in the workplace in the 70s-80s. my grandpa took part in 3 protests against GM. they stopped working until the union struck a deal with GM, and stayed in place so that scabs couldn't get in to work.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16613807] 95 percent of Libertarians are just conservatives trying to look like they're above the fray[/QUOTE] Meh, Libertarians are more Liberal regarding social-issues.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16613874]It's already the answer to the problems of crime (the police), invasion (the military), transportation (public roads), education (public schools), not being on fire (the fire department), and many other things. Do you really think that adding one more thing for a very, very important subject (health) would be that big a departure from the normal way the u.s. government operates?[/QUOTE] Yes, I do. My personal opinion is that it will hurt private health insurance after being instated. If you have a time machine to go to the future and prove to me that it won't have ill effects for our country, by all means lets go see.

[QUOTE=Ca5bah;16613730]why can't you stay out of american matters? other countries call us nosey for getting into other matters, which is true, but other countries are also hypocrites.[/QUOTE] We're nosey in return because we'd like to know how the country, where the majority of our oil is going, is doing ;D I don't get this, is Obama trying to nationalize the American health service, like the NHS? OH FUCK NOT FREE HEALTHCARE LIKE IN THE UK DEM EUROPANS HAVE BAD TEEF. (Yeah it's 2am here and I haven't read about this properly... but if it is just nationalization of health service, what's the big deal?)

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16613910]Fuck it all unless it's enough of a public danger that people are dropping like flies. I'm against any US involvement in any war that isn't necessary to defending our people's rights. (And the "war against terrorism" is a long long way away from that.)[/QUOTE] So if it's not immediately killing people, you're not for the government stopping it? So that means you went to a private school and never, ever walk on roads, right?

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16613807]are you for gay marriage? Or gay couples being allowed to adopt? what about abortion rights, and following that, stem cell research? what about legalization of Marijuana, or LSD, or heroin? you're against the war in Iraq, right? no real libertarian would want their tax money being spent to "bring democracy" to other countries. Any real libertarian would say that taxes are only to be used for the most essential of services 95 percent of Libertarians are just conservatives trying to look like they're above the fray[/QUOTE] Yeah I support gay marriage, stem cell research, and legalization of drugs. I believe that anybody should be able to do anything they want as long as it doesn't harm somebody else. Two men getting married isn't going to hurt anyone.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16613934]Yes, I do. My personal opinion is that it will hurt private health insurance after being instated.[/QUOTE] oh yeah I forgot about how the business interests of corporations is more important than human life

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16613941]So if it's not immediately killing people, you're not for the government stopping it? So that means you went to a private school and never, ever walk on roads, right?[/QUOTE] You just twisted around everything I said solely so you can disagree with me. No, that's an issue of policing against violent crimes, and generally necessary day to day issues. (Traffic, basic law, etc.) You were mentioning social issues. Police are a civilian institution, I don't see how they even factor into what you were talking about.

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16613910]Fuck it all unless it's enough of a public danger that people are dropping like flies. I'm against any US involvement in any war that isn't necessary to defending our people's rights. (And the "war against terrorism" is a long long way away from that.)[/QUOTE] agreed. i see why we invaded afghanistan and why we invaded iraq. afghanistan - reponse to an attack by al qaeda (if it weren't for the fact that we have so many pussies in office, we could've been done with it within a year. another vietnam in my eyes) [b] defends our people [/b] iraq - reponse to a threat for oil prices to go up. [b]defends foreign interests [/b]

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;16613942]Yeah I support gay marriage, stem cell research, and legalization of drugs. I believe that anybody should be able to do anything they want as long as it doesn't harm somebody else. Two men getting married isn't going to hurt anyone.[/QUOTE] you didn't tell me what you think about the war in Iraq and what about the F-22? It's a big, ridiculously expensive fighter jet that is not being used to defend our country at all, it's not deployed anywhere overseas, but the government keeps buying them. You're for stopping production of F-22's right?

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;16613942]Yeah I support gay marriage, stem cell research, and legalization of drugs. I believe that anybody should be able to do anything they want as long as it doesn't harm somebody else. Two men getting married isn't going to hurt anyone.[/QUOTE] That's what you think, then the devil makes them terrorists.

[QUOTE=Ca5bah;16613985]agreed. i see why we invaded afghanistan and why we invaded iraq. afghanistan - reponse to an attack by al qaeda (if it weren't for the fact that we have so many pussies in office, we could've been done with it within a year. another vietnam in my eyes) [b] defends our people [/b] iraq - reponse to a threat for oil prices to go up. [b]defends foreign interests [/b][/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? You don't agree with me at all.

[QUOTE=TehDoomCat;16613936]We're nosey in return because we'd like to know how the country, where the majority of our oil is going, is doing ;D I don't get this, is Obama trying to nationalize the American health service, like the NHS? OH FUCK NOT FREE HEALTHCARE LIKE IN THE UK DEM EUROPANS HAVE BAD TEEF. (Yeah it's 2am here and I haven't read about this properly... but if it is just nationalization of health service, what's the big deal?)[/QUOTE] the big deal is that it isn't the fucking government's right to nationalize any company or service. says right in our constitution that there shall be a strict line between the private sector and the public sector. thus nationalization = stepping over to the private sector | v goes against the constitution | v not very nice :(

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16613970]You just twisted around everything I said solely so you can disagree with me. No, that's an issue of policing against violent crimes, and generally necessary day to day issues. (Traffic, basic law, etc.) You were mentioning social issues. Police are a civilian institution, I don't see how they even factor into what you were talking about.[/QUOTE] what? I didn't say anything about the police force. You said "Fuck it all unless it's enough of a public danger that people are dropping like flies." and then I (paraphrasing) said, "Public Transportation and Public education aren't stopping people from dropping like flies, you're opposed to those, right?"

[QUOTE=DrMortician;16614013]What the fuck are you talking about? You don't agree with me at all.[/QUOTE] you said you are against any war that doesn't involve the defense of american rights. i said i am against iraq because it isn't a war for our rights, and moderately for afghanistan since it was started as a response to an aggression, but now is pretty much vietnam. in short; afghanistan started out as a legitimate response to aggression by al qaeda. we could have finished it within a year, but since business interest got involved it is vietnam all over again. iraq is a war for oil/to supply businesses with the need for ammunition, weapons, supplies, etc

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16613994]you didn't tell me what you think about the war in Iraq and what about the F-22? It's a big, ridiculously expensive fighter jet that is not being used to defend our country at all, it's not deployed anywhere overseas, but the government keeps buying them. You're for stopping production of F-22's right?[/QUOTE] I thought I said I was against the war when I said Republicans call everyone a terrorist who doesn't support it. :v: And yes, we shouldn't be paying for a jet that isn't being used at all. If Lockheed Martin wants to keep making them, that's fine but the Military shouldn't be buying them.

DrMortician. You seem to be coming across as almost an isolationist. I always found that a scarey concept. The Worlds too small to nsit in the corner by yourself. --snip--

[QUOTE=Cluckyx;16614090]DrMortician. You seem to be coming across as almost an isolationist. I always found that a scarey concept. The Worlds too small to nsit in the corner by yourself.[/QUOTE] basically anyone's who's an isolationist after world war 2 is just a giant walking joke of a person

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16614103]basically anyone's who's an isolationist after world war 2 is just a giant walking joke of a person[/QUOTE] Oh god even before then.

[QUOTE=Ca5bah;16613920]i do pretty plain and simple, i believe in social darwinism. if someone isn't successful, it shouldn't be the successful peoples' job to provide for them. if your job doesn't offer health care, start a protest, gets things done. [/QUOTE] 'fuck you got mine'