Townhall protests against "Obamacare" turned into battle zones - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;16555446]Judging by the hate speech coming out of Fox & Co, violence is exactly what they're trying to provoke. Obama = Hitler, Hitler deserved to die, therefore Obama deserves to die. That's exactly what they're hoping for, that their rhetoric will get someone so angry that he'll take a shot at the man and solve all their problems. Their blatant encouragement of this "angry/scared mob" mentality is going to lead to very bad things.[/QUOTE] Give me examples of their 'hate Speech' towards Obama. They are hoping for no such thing. You are basing your argument off assumptions. Maybe I should assume that CNN was hoping for Bush to get a bullet in between his eyes. Also, how would killing Obama solve anything? You think we want [I]Biden[/I] in office? Yeah, no. [editline]01:55AM[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno toad;16555441]Well, that's generally how it works, EG: Cold War. Also, it's easy to resort to gun violence when your arguments are shoddy.[/QUOTE] [img]http://theshentontimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/blank-facepalm.gif[/img] Even if our arguments [I]were[/I] shoddy, how does this lead to gun violence? Have you even fired a gun, let alone [I]held[/I] one in your entire life?

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16553728]Old people after Obamacare comes into effect: [img]http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5757/hnngsu5.jpg[/img] :v:[/QUOTE] I like how Sam Tilgan gave up on intelligent debate (since everyone proved that he wasn't intelligent) so now he just makes shitposts trying to be hilarious [editline]10:59PM[/editline] dude I'm all for Obamacare, fuck old people honestly, someone name one problem in the world that wasn't caused by old people I fucking dare you

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16555502]Give me examples of their 'hate Speech' towards Obama. They are hoping for no such thing. You are basing your argument off assumptions. Maybe I should assume that CNN was hoping for Bush to get a bullet in between his eyes. Also, how would killing Obama solve anything? You think we want [I]Biden[/I] in office? Yeah, no.[/QUOTE] [url]http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908070029[/url] [url]http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x291600[/url] Pretty simple.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16555502]Give me examples of their 'hate Speech' towards Obama. They are hoping for no such thing. You are basing your argument off assumptions. Maybe I should assume that CNN was hoping for Bush to get a bullet in between his eyes. Also, how would killing Obama solve anything? You think we want [I]Biden[/I] in office? Yeah, no. [editline]01:55AM[/editline] [img]http://theshentontimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/blank-facepalm.gif[/img] Even if our arguments [I]were[/I] shoddy, how does this lead to gun violence? Have you even fired a gun, let alone [I]held[/I] one in your entire life?[/QUOTE] I'm just saying that the majority of primitive, gullible flag waving conservatives have a tenancy of shooting and/or threatening to shoot people when they don't get what they want. it's like a super tantrum. At least those are the ones who get on the news quite often. [B] Edit:[/B] God, limbaugh is exceptionally fat (never seen a picture of him before). He's got that sort of voice echo because his neck jiggles around while he talks.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;16555299]Well, if they were smart (or watched something other than O'Reilly and Beck) they would have figured out they were being lied to. It's really that simple. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to open the Wikipedia pages of the groups running these little protests, looking up the people that run them, and looking at their backgrounds and where the money's coming from. If they did, they'd know that the people telling them to go scream and yell like assholes (and eventually pull out guns and shoot people) are backed by the same insurance company that just jacked up their premiums, or cut them loose for getting sick and filing a claim.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck#Political_views[/url] [quote] Glenn Beck has alternately described himself as a conservative or a libertarian. He repeatedly refutes charges that he is a member of the Republican Party.[/quote] He isn't a true conservative sir, he doesn't trust the government to make decisions for him.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;16555585][url]http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908070029[/url] [url]http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x291600[/url] Pretty simple.[/QUOTE] How is this hate speech? Sure, it's a political attack, but it's a far cry from hate speech.

[QUOTE=hypno toad;16555611]I'm just saying that the majority of primitive, gullible flag waving conservatives have a tenancy of shooting and/or threatening to shoot people when they don't get what they want. it's like a super tantrum. At least those are the ones who get on the news quite often.[/QUOTE] Tiller. Perfect, recent example of a whacko far-right Christian getting so saturated with hate-speech rhetoric that he decided the best solution was to pick up a gun and go murder someone.

[QUOTE=hypno toad;16555611]I'm just saying that the majority of primitive, gullible flag waving conservatives have a tenancy of shooting and/or threatening to shoot people when they don't get what they want. it's like a super tantrum. At least those are the ones who get on the news quite often.[/QUOTE] ...what percent of us do you think have shot somebody, or even threatened anybody in a significant manner? I know no other like-minded conservatives (in my life) who have done so, either. [editline]02:07AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;16555646]Tiller. Perfect, recent example of a whacko far-right Christian getting so saturated with hate-speech rhetoric that he decided the best solution was to pick up a gun and go murder someone.[/QUOTE] Tiller was actually killed by an anarchist... who hated christianity. Look it up. He wanted to spread chaos.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16555691]...what percent of us do you think have shot somebody, or even threatened anybody in a significant manner? I know no other like-minded conservatives (in my life) who have done so, either.[/QUOTE] Maybe it's just because your political spectrum attracts a lot of stupid people, I'm sorry if they make you look bad.

[QUOTE=hypno toad;16555704]Maybe it's just because your political spectrum attracts a lot of stupid people, I'm sorry if they make you look bad.[/QUOTE] ...you, my good sir, are deeply malinformed. Did conservatives come up with the retarded idea that Sarah Palin killed Michael Jackson? Nope. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS8u8feKmn4[/media] Are we blocking people from excersizing their first amendment rights? Negative. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHqt1f46v3Y&feature=related[/media] Are we the ones who associate any kind of disagreement with the great Obamessiah racism? I don't believe so. [I] (This quote is from the Washington Post on the subject of the Obama Joker posters... how is this racist? I don't know, the BS reasons don't explain themselves.)[/I] [quote=Philip Kennicott] …the poster is ultimately a racially charged image. By using the "urban" makeup of the Heath Ledger Joker, instead of the urbane makeup of the Jack Nicholson character, the poster connects Obama to something many of his detractors fear but can't openly discuss. He is black and he is identified with the inner city… The Joker's makeup in "Dark Knight" — the latest film in a long franchise that dramatizes fear of the urban world — emphasized the wounded nature of the villain, the sense that he was both a product and source of violence. Although Ledger was white, and the Joker is white, this equation of the wounded and the wounding mirrors basic racial typology in America. Urban blacks — the thinking goes — don't just live in dangerous neighborhoods, they carry that danger with them like a virus.… The charge of socialism is secondary to the basic message that Obama can't be trusted, not because he is a politician, but because he's black. [/quote] Tell me, why do you think we're as unintelligent as you claim? Why do you constantly use stereotypes to view us?

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16555813]...you, my good sir, are deeply malinformed. Are we blocking people from excersizing their first amendment rights? Negative. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHqt1f46v3Y&feature=related[/media] [/QUOTE] Funny you bring that up, I'll just leave this here: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings[/url]

[QUOTE=hypno toad;16555878]Funny you bring that up, I'll just leave this here: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings[/url][/QUOTE] Give me a full video of the shootings, and I'll decide for myself what happened. I know one exists, I saw it a few years back.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16555917]Give me a full video of the shootings, and I'll decide for myself what happened. I know one exists, I saw it a few years back.[/QUOTE] You're right, I'm sure the student were probably just holding satanic rituals where they were sacrificing a human baby, those poor armed national guardsmen had no choice but to open fire on those unarmed teenagers. I mean, against a small group of unarmed teenagers, those guardsmen would simply have absolutely no chance if say, one was to throw a rock. I mean, they were totally justified in shooting them, one of the guardmens may have suffered a mild bruising in a worst case scenario; god forbid we let that happen.

[QUOTE=hypno toad;16555963]You're right, I'm sure the student were probably just holding satanic rituals where they were sacrificing a human baby, those poor armed national guardsmen had no choice but to open fire on those unarmed teenagers. I mean, against a small group of unarmed teenagers, those guardsmen would simply have absolutely no chance if say, one was to throw a rock. I mean, they were totally justified in shooting them, one of the guardmens may have suffered a mild bruising; god forbid we let that happen.[/QUOTE] I'm trying to be objective. Find me the video. I'll decide about what I think happened.

Because every person carried around a 70 pound video camera in those days. You're the one with the stupid opinions, you find the video.

[QUOTE=hypno toad;16555996]Because every person carried around a 70 pound video camera in those days. You're the one with the stupid opinions, you find the video.[/QUOTE] I know I've won an argument when people start to insult me. Good day to you, sir.

both of you guys suck dick at arguing so you might want to stop

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16554281]The elderly will have a lower priority than other people under Obamacare. If the state has to spend money on healthcare for people, and they have a limited budget (WE HAVE NO MONEY RIGHT NOW, WHY IS PASSING THIS A GOOD IDEA), the most productive members of society (and politicians) will be the highest priority recipients. The elderly, being in the twilight of their lives, will not be considered useful enough for major surgeries and the like. (i.e. bypasses, organ transplants) [editline]12:32AM[/editline] Please, tell me what groups are sending people out to do this.[/QUOTE] That's quite funny considering i live in England where ANYONE gets free heathcare because we all pay taxes. The idea of a national healthcare is that the people will get the right to live without waiting for insurance to come through. If you had two fingers chopped off under your current system and could only replace one, you would have to decide. On the other hand they would automatically reattach both mine. Most likely this would be caused by the private medical companies. They don't want a free choice as that will lose them business. And that is what medical treatment in the US is...a business.

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16556176]That's quite funny considering i live in England where ANYONE gets free heathcare [/QUOTE] yeah we're pretty good at that shit it's just the Canadians that suck at it

[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16556176]That's quite funny considering i live in England where ANYONE gets free heathcare because we all pay taxes. The idea of a national healthcare is that the people will get the right to live without waiting for insurance to come through. If you had two fingers chopped off under your current system and could only replace one, you would have to decide. On the other hand they would automatically reattach both mine. Most likely this would be caused by the private medical companies. They don't want a free choice as that will lose them business. And that is what medical treatment in the US is...a business.[/QUOTE] We have significantly lower taxes here. We are free to choose what healthcare provider we want, if we want one at all.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16556203]We have significantly lower taxes here. We are free to choose what healthcare provider we want, if we want one at all.[/QUOTE] And they're all rubbish.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16556203]We have significantly lower taxes here. We are free to choose what healthcare provider we want, if we want one at all.[/QUOTE] not really france has a lower income tax, doesn't pay VAT, and has a much lower corperate tax the united states is actually one of the highest taxed places in the world. [editline]11:51PM[/editline] just look at this [img]http://alaskakid.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/taxes01.jpg?w=318&h=631[/img]

[QUOTE=Melkor;16556226]And they're all rubbish.[/QUOTE] Really? My uncle is a single man. He lives alone, and doesn't smoke. He has a $5000 plan. If he spends less than that per year on healthcare, it's on him. He pays his insurance company $1500 per year for this coverage. Should he require that more than $5000 be spent on his healthcare in one year, then the company will pay for everything. It could be a million-dollar surgery; they'll pay for it. That doesn't sound quite like a bad deal to me.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16556203]We have significantly lower taxes here. We are free to choose what healthcare provider we want, if we want one at all.[/QUOTE] They are being run as a way to make money out of people. How do you put a price on a humans life? Obviously the next step would be to raise a fair amount taxes for the rich, slightly less for medium class, and no more on lower. Again, that's the income tax structure until our very own one eyed Scottish idiot played with it.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16556278] Should he require that more than $5000 be spent on his healthcare in one year, then the company will pay for everything. It could be a million-dollar surgery; they'll pay for it. [/QUOTE] No not really, the whole idea behind a company is to earn money, and they do that by getting out of huge operations whenever they can ever heard the term "denied due to pre-existing condition?"

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16556278]Really? My uncle is a single man. He lives alone, and doesn't smoke. He has a $5000 plan. If he spends less than that per year on healthcare, it's on him. He pays his insurance company $1500 per year for this coverage. Should he require that more than $5000 be spent on his healthcare in one year, then the company will pay for everything. It could be a million-dollar surgery; they'll pay for it. That doesn't sound quite like a bad deal to me.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. They'll say he has a preexisting condition, and then he'll die.

[QUOTE=thisispain;16556240]not really france has a lower income tax, doesn't pay VAT, and has a much lower corperate tax the united states is actually one of the highest taxed places in the world. [editline]11:51PM[/editline] just look at this [img]http://alaskakid.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/taxes01.jpg?w=318&h=631[/img][/QUOTE] INCORRECT France has similar income taxes to the US. My parents would be paying the full 40% for it. That's actually [I]more[/I] than what we pay now. In addition to the CSG tax, and local taxes by area, my family would be hit with a 60% tax per year. Here in the US, it's about 45% for us. Also, VAT's do [I]indeed[/I] apply to France. [editline]03:04AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Melkor;16556341]Bullshit. They'll say he has a preexisting condition, and then he'll die.[/QUOTE] Yes, just like they did to my grandparents, all 4 of whom are still alive. EXCEPT THEY DIDN'T. 1996. I was 4 years old. My grandparents had an $8000 plan, and paid about $1000 per year for it, which was particularly high back then. In that one year, they accumulated approximately $12,000 in medical fees. The company paid it all up, just fine. One of my great grandparents were also alive at this time, and she was also covered by this plan. Just so you know, they higher the $ value of a plan (e.g. $5000 or $8000), the less expensive it is.

That's top rate. So there will be states that are paying more that you are. You have already claimed to be paying more tax that the UK, and their National Health isn't bad at all.

[QUOTE=thisispain;16556240] ... and has a much lower corperate tax the united states is actually one of the highest taxed places in the world. [editline]11:51PM[/editline] just look at this [img]http://alaskakid.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/taxes01.jpg?w=318&h=631[/img][/QUOTE] The U.S. has enough tax loopholes for corporations to pay nearly nothing compared to what they would in any other country. Hence why we're such a popular place for said corporations to base themselves.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16556388]INCORRECT France has similar income taxes to the US. My parents would be paying the full 40% for it. That's actually [I]more[/I] than what we pay now. In addition to the CSG tax, and local taxes by area, my family would be hit with a 60% tax per year. Here in the US, it's about 45% for us.[/QUOTE] I heavily doubt it, seeing as tax credits and rebates are given each year, not to mention the healthcare system is free, which means you save money on that end, and you income would have to be 69,505 Euros to even get to 40%. Which, in that case, would be subject to tax rebates and reductions as well. [QUOTE={FP}ST;16556388]Also, VAT's do [I]indeed[/I] apply to France.[/QUOTE] No not really, it's a completely different system. As far as I recall, tax was not added on the consumer side. [editline]12:10AM[/editline] [QUOTE=johnlukeg;16556451]The U.S. has enough tax loopholes for corporations to pay nearly nothing compared to what they would in any other country. Hence why we're such a popular place for said corporations to base themselves.[/QUOTE] Actually, we are popular for our liberal economy. They can do shit that is not possible outside of the US, buuut, the laws introduced a long time ago has made outsourcing more popular.