Townhall protests against "Obamacare" turned into battle zones - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bean-O;16555024]The plan (as I can best gather since I'm not reading a 1200 page bill) is to reform the healthcare and insurance system by regulating the fuck out of it. The pros are that it should provide the average person with health insurance and healthcare for free while at the same time banning a lot of the shady practices the insurance companies and hospitals pull on a daily basis. The cons are that noting is free since this will have to be paid for by hiking taxes and government regulation isn't always a good thing. Just because it is the government doing it that doesn't mean they will do it right. Also people on both sides tend point at the Canadian system. The liberals claim it is wonderful since it is free for the recipient, the conservatives claim it sucks because it raises the taxes and people can be on waiting lists for years to get a transplant they need within hours (in more extreme cases, of course).[/QUOTE] Surely the tax hikes would cost you less than paying your own insurance plan?

Works in Canada, however we do not do dental, physiotherapy, optometry, and things along those lines. I know someone who needed a organ transplant, and they got one. It took a few months, but they did. People proclaim that the system takes way too long. Well, I'm sorry, That's because it's helping everyone, not just you.

I think Obama mainly ruined himself. He started off his campaign with a wonderful image of himself, almost saint like, with crowds of people chanting his name. He promised to fix the world and cure the planet. I actually started to fall for it a little bit. Now look at him. He'd have to do a hell of a job to match peoples expectations of him. The guy pretty much killed his own reputation.

If state healthcare was a new untried idea I could understand concern. Yet... there are many countries where it's working pretty well. I'm from England and I can only give my personal experience of how the state handles it. I suffer from epilepsy. With my epilepsy, any form of private health insurance I could try to get. The premiums would be insane. Not only is Epilepsy a pre-existing condition giving them a long list of things they could refuse to help me for, epilepsy can also lead to a fuckton of other injuries (falling over and hurting myself, limb dislocations etc etc) so the premiums would be through the roof I would be crippled by the costs. At the worst I was taking a trip to A&E every 6-8 weeks. Without state help I'd be scrounging off of parents and family. Every time I seize, my right shoulder dislocates, and for a while it would mean a trip to A&E to have it reset. It would usually be a 5-10 minute wait bringing me in from the waiting room and getting me a bed. Hospitals are clean, well staffed and organised. I was usually there for a few hours and had my shoulder fixed including x-rays before and afterwards and as much nitrous as I could huff. I had an outpatients appointment within 10 days and the first time it happened (I declined after that) , the beginning of a 6 week physiotherapy course within the fortnight. I need to buy my anti-convulsant meds. Again, pre-existing condition etc etc it would all be out of my own pocket. Normally in the UK, you pay a flat rate of £6.50 for each trip to the pharmacy (if you have a prescription for one bod of meds or 5). But because I have a condition that requires repeat prescriptions, I get a card which means I get it totally free. State Healthecare it what stops me being destitute, and has let me actually study and begin working properly.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;16554823]That's exactly my point. Both groups have their logic so twisted and corrupted you can barely see the true good in both sides(and trust me both Liberals and Conservatives have good ideas).[/QUOTE] Did you even fucking watch those seven minutes or what? Yes proof is twisted logic and all corrupted. Even then it doesn't matter who funds these groups in the end because the result are just a bunch of angry and ignorant old white people who are angry about rumors that shouldn't exist but still do because of all the media pushing them. [editline]08:12AM[/editline] [QUOTE={FP}ST;16555430]Since when does Fox News encourage us to shoot politicians?[/QUOTE] "Tiller the Baby killer, hoho. this guy has got a SPECIAL place in hell." *pro-life moron kills him* Yeah it totally didn't influence him at all.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;16559124]I think Obama mainly ruined himself. He started off his campaign with a wonderful image of himself, almost saint like, with crowds of people chanting his name. He promised to fix the world and cure the planet. I actually started to fall for it a little bit. Now look at him. He'd have to do a hell of a job to match peoples expectations of him. The guy pretty much killed his own reputation.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this.

God, I hate protesters. I don't give a damn about what they're protesting about, whether it be good or bad, they need to get a fucking life and stop complaining about every decision the government makes. [QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;16559881]Did anybody else watch the video in the OP and just see a bunch of crazy redneck repubs harassing the door guard, physically and verbally?[/QUOTE] That's exactly what I mean. 90% of American protesters are probably rednecks with nothing else better to do because the can't keep a steady job or something like that.

Did anybody else watch the video in the OP and just see a bunch of crazy redneck repubs harassing the door guard, physically and verbally?

[QUOTE=Guardian-Angel;16559881]Did anybody else watch the video in the OP and just see a bunch of crazy redneck repubs harassing the door guard, physically and verbally?[/QUOTE] Yep, because those are the only people they could dupe into believing Obama was trying to kill grandma.

[QUOTE=PartyPancake;16559869]God, I hate protesters. I don't give a damn about what they're protesting about, whether it be good or bad, they need to get a fucking life and stop complaining about every decision the government makes.[/QUOTE] thems dayum pinkos... protestin all day n shit, WHAY DONT YOO GIT A JOWB YA DAYUM HIPPIES Protest is important and you have to be pretty ignorant to see that it isn't. But this isn't protest, it's just stupid. And I like how Fox News tries to spin this as "respectful dissent" because if that was the case we would have passed this shit a long time ago.

There is protest against say the war in iraq, then there is protest against free healthcare. No normal person would be against it unless they were being paid off by private companies.

It is amazing people are just realizing you all voted for a communist...

[QUOTE=$SLIMSWITCH$;16560393]It is amazing people are just realizing you all voted for a communist...[/QUOTE] /facepalm

[QUOTE=sp00ks;16560422]/facepalm[/QUOTE] qft

that comment was so god damn stupid i want to kill you for it @$SLIMSWITCH$

Americans know shit about communism. If they think that's communistic, I wonder what they would call Sweden.

Townhall is halfway to my name

One thing I've noticd is Communism seems to have hopped tracks. Communism no longer seems to stand for an extreme leftist political view of distribution of wealth, and seems to stand for "BAAAAAAD THINGS". Regardless of what you may be talking about, relating something to communism seems to be the "conversation over you're wrong" approach. I'm willing to bet half the people at those townhall meetings, if you asked them what communism was you'd get something along the lines of "It's from russia and it takes away our money".

Communism is still communism, people are just really fucking stupid and don't know what it is.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;16559649]"Tiller the Baby killer, hoho. this guy has got a SPECIAL place in hell." *pro-life moron kills him* Yeah it totally didn't influence him at all.[/QUOTE] Except THE GUY WHO KILLED HIM ALREADY THOUGHT IT WAS OK TO KILL ABORTION DOCTORS LIKE TILLER [quote=New York Times]As Mr. Roeder's relatives and others who had come into contact with him over the years began looking backward, they said they now saw some signs that might have hinted at more serious trouble ahead. For more than 10 years, Mr. Roeder had been linked, at various times and in varying degrees, to the Freemen, a group that rejected federal authority and the banking system, and to people who believe that the killing of abortion providers was justified by the abortions it prevented.[/quote] [quote=Time]According to a statement issued by his brother David, Roeder has suffered from bouts of mental illness.[/quote] Fawks Nooz told him to do it :saddowns: [editline]10:57AM[/editline] [QUOTE=IronPhoenix;16560348]No normal person would be against it unless they were being paid off by private companies.[/QUOTE] I'm against it. What company, exactly, is paying me? Oh right, none of them. Do you know how many millions these companies would need to pay out in order to bribe people into this stance on just one issue? They'd be out of business right now if such was the case. [editline]10:59AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Cluckyx;16560465]One thing I've noticd is Communism seems to have hopped tracks. Communism no longer seems to stand for [B]an extreme leftist political view of distribution of wealth[/B], and seems to stand for "BAAAAAAD THINGS". Regardless of what you may be talking about, relating something to communism seems to be the "conversation over you're wrong" approach. I'm willing to bet half the people at those townhall meetings, if you asked them what communism was you'd get something along the lines of "It's from russia and it takes away our money".[/QUOTE] That's pretty much how I define it (bolded part). Obama himself said he wants to 'Spread the wealth around'. How is that not communist?

What is obama exactly doing then?

[QUOTE=TheForeigner;16560927]What is obama exactly doing then?[/QUOTE] Socializing healthcare. Making it single payer. Basically, he's giving us a communist healthcare system. Simple as that.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16560841] Obama himself said he wants to 'Spread the wealth around'. How is that not communist?[/QUOTE] That's socialism. How can you not know the difference between socialism and communism? Seriously... [editline]03:14PM[/editline] [QUOTE=TheForeigner;16560927]What is obama exactly doing then?[/QUOTE] He's making sure that you don't die because your parents aren't rich.

Okay, so what I gathered in between the endless screams is that Obama is going to de-privatise healthcare, is that about right? In which case, where's the problem? Over the pond here in Britain we've had the NHS since World War Two, and whilst people keep bitching and moaning about it, it works fairly well. Being goverment funded, it's a damn sight cheaper than private healthcare. I've used it a few times. In my youth I got toncilitus, and was prescribed penicillin for free. Had that been a private clinic, my parents would've had to fork out. And any time I require a check up I just book in with my GP for free, go down in the afternoon and get whatever I need relatively cheaply at my pharmacist. [QUOTE=JDK721v2;16552769]Good, we can't afford this shitty plan anyways. The less government control, the better.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, what? A government is in place to organise and serve the public. Can you imagine what would happen if each town had to govern itself? I can. Dark age again. Except this time you'd have guns. Although unfortunately most goverment officials are self-serving pricks with no morals. Obama is the best thing to happen to your country for a long while. And since America is such a powerhouse, it was a damn good thing for the world at large as well.

I'm pretty sure Sam Tilgan's 'communism' is merely Keynesianism. Although all free marketers think anything that isn't unregulated is communism

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16560965]Socializing healthcare. Making it single payer. Basically, he's giving us a communist healthcare system. Simple as that.[/QUOTE] hurrrrrrrr

Both sides are at a standstill, lets bring up another ace into play. Medicare and Medicaid are both government own. They are a massive black hole for money. Take this up a notch or two to national level. Think of a black hole deciding its little space was too small and decides it'll take over the milky way. We got a 3 trillion deficit, we don't need anything else to further increase that debt. And the liberals still think we haven't spent enough for this economic crisis. Hell they think FDR didn't spend nearly enough during the Great Depression.

[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;16561410]Both sides are at a standstill, lets bring up another ace into play. Medicare and Medicaid are both government own. They are a massive black hole for money. Take this up a notch or two to national level. Think of a black hole deciding its little space was too small and decides it'll take over the milky way. We got a 3 trillion deficit, we don't need anything else to further increase that debt. And the liberals still think we haven't spent enough for this economic crisis. Hell they think FDR didn't spend nearly enough during the Great Depression.[/QUOTE] WTF does healthcare reform mean to you, the current system isn't good and it's sucking up money but changing to a better system will cost more? Good ace you have there. [editline]10:47AM[/editline] And both sides are not at a standstill, you and Sam Tilgan are the only ones here who seem to oppose healthcare reform.

[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;16561410]Both sides are at a standstill, lets bring up another ace into play. Medicare and Medicaid are both government own. They are a massive black hole for money. Take this up a notch or two to national level. Think of a black hole deciding its little space was too small and decides it'll take over the milky way. We got a 3 trillion deficit, we don't need anything else to further increase that debt. And the liberals still think we haven't spent enough for this economic crisis. Hell they think FDR didn't spend nearly enough during the Great Depression.[/QUOTE] If providing health care for people who are unable to work and therefore unable to purchase health care for themselves isn't a valid use of government money, I don't know what is.

[QUOTE={FP}ST;16560965]Socializing healthcare. Making it single payer. Basically, he's giving us a communist healthcare system. Simple as that.[/QUOTE] You were exactly the sort of person I was talking about. Thankyou for the apt example.