Townhall protests against "Obamacare" turned into battle zones - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JDK721v2;16552769]Good, we can't afford this shitty plan anyways. The less government control, the better.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. We don't need to be spending anymore money on something that won't really help anything. I hate the idea of universal Healthcare. Things seem fine for me, if I need to see a doctor, I go see a doctor and get treated. I don't want to be sitting on some waiting list for surgery if I ever needed it. [editline]11:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16561765]If providing health care for people who are unable to work and therefore unable to purchase health care for themselves isn't a valid use of government money, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE] We need to stop throwing money at people who don't earn it. My opinion, fuck the poor. It's every man for themselves. Hell during the Obama campaign some African American woman was going around truly believing that she would no longer have to pay for her food, gas, taxes, etc because Obama was gonna pick up the tab. If anything let's focus on education and social services so less fuck-tards like that are walking around.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;16561883]Pretty much this. We don't need to be spending anymore money on something that won't really help anything. I hate the idea of universal Healthcare. Things seem fine for me, if I need to see a doctor, I go see a doctor and get treated. I don't want to be sitting on some waiting list for surgery if I ever needed it.[/QUOTE] Yeah except the part where you don't have to choose a public option. You might be fine but how about the millions of uninsured? How about the millions unsatisfied with their current health insurance that fucks them over daily? I know my family gets fucked over by insurance all the time. [editline]11:00AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bredirish123;16561883] We need to stop throwing money at people who don't earn it. My opinion, fuck the poor. It's every man for themselves. [/QUOTE] Efficiency and progress is ours once more Now that we have the Neutron bomb It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done Away with excess enemy But no less value to property No sense in war but perfect sense at home: The sun beams down on a brand new day No more welfare tax to pay Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light Jobless millions whisked away At last we have more room to play All systems go to kill the poor tonight Gonna Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight Behold the sparkle of champagne The crime rate's gone Feel free again O' life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White Jane Fonda on the screen today Convinced the liberals it's okay So let's get dressed and dance away the night While they: Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight

Insurance companies are still out to make money. If they can they will find a way to stop paying out for something then you are screwed. You can a choice still, pay for private or don't pay for public. You will get the same service with public, but if you get both your arms sawn off with public they won't ask you if you want them both reattached.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;16561942]Yeah except the part where you don't have to choose a public option. You might be fine but how about the millions of uninsured? How about the millions unsatisfied with their current health insurance that fucks them over daily? I know my family gets fucked over by insurance all the time.[/QUOTE] There's plenty of different insurance companies to pick from. Just like Communism sounds like a good idea, a universal healthcare system will have it's repercussions regardless. In the end we'll all be fucked over and honestly, I don't feel like joining you or part of the masses. My insurance is covered by the federal government and I get protection until 21 since my father is a Federal Employee as a firefighter.

[quote=Bredirish123]My insurance is covered by the federal government and I get protection until 21 since my father is a Federal Employee as a firefighter.[/quote] You really shouldn't be lecturing people on private insurance.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562005]There's plenty of different insurance companies to pick from. Just like Communism sounds like a good idea, a universal healthcare system will have it's repercussions regardless. In the end we'll all be fucked over and honestly, I don't feel like joining you or part of the masses. My insurance is covered by the federal government and I get protection until 21 since my father is a Federal Employee as a firefighter.[/QUOTE] As I said before. If Universal Healthcare was something new or untried, I could understand it. It's going pretty well in the UK :colbert:

[QUOTE=Conscript;16562046]You really shouldn't be lecturing people on private insurance.[/QUOTE] It's still a private insurer, basically here's what happened, the company has a deal with the government to provide healthcare to it's (The Federal Governments) employees with the exception that it must be cost effective and coverage must be adjusted for those serving the military. Now I believe you shouldn't be lecturing people on private insurance.

[QUOTE=Cluckyx;16562051]As I said before. If Universal Healthcare was something new or untried, I could understand it. It's going pretty well in the UK :colbert:[/QUOTE] I enjoy having my choice I choose what to buy, what to eat and drink. What car I drive. How I act, who I am I'm sure I can choose my own healthcare plan I don't need government trying to fucking babysit me

[QUOTE=Armotekma;16562110]I enjoy having my choice I choose what to buy, what to eat and drink. What car I drive. How I act, who I am I'm sure I can choose my own healthcare plan[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562005]There's plenty of different insurance companies to pick from.[/QUOTE] Yes, for people who have the money to pay. Everyone who complains about Universal Healthcare is making plenty of money to pay for themselves. So they bitch and moan about made up issues like "waiting lists" and "rationing" that [b]hardly ever fucking happen in countries with effective UHC systems.[/b] Grow up and realize that there are people with [b]real[/b] problems in the world. [QUOTE=Armotekma;16562110]I don't need government trying to fucking babysit me[/QUOTE] You're certainly acting like a baby.

[QUOTE=Cluckyx;16562051]As I said before. If Universal Healthcare was something new or untried, I could understand it. It's going pretty well in the UK :colbert:[/QUOTE] The UK and Canada also have long waiting lists for surgery, the country is slowly sinking financially, and to top it all off Gordon Brown is riding shotgun.

[QUOTE=Armotekma;16562110]I enjoy having my choice I choose what to buy, what to eat and drink. What car I drive. How I act, who I am I'm sure I can choose my own healthcare plan I don't need government trying to fucking babysit me[/QUOTE] And the choice of choosing a healthcare company is somehow magically gone once a public option appears? You can say all this fiery rhetoric shit with no logic all you people want, that's not going to change the fact that some kind of major healthcare reform will be passed.

You're all idiots, it's a much better than what you already have.

[QUOTE=Armotekma;16562110]I enjoy having my choice I choose what to buy, what to eat and drink. What car I drive. How I act, who I am I'm sure I can choose my own healthcare plan I don't need government trying to fucking babysit me[/QUOTE] We still have private health insurace. Except the private hospitals are like hotels with fucking fitted bedrooms where you can book a massage and have a steak every night.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16562121]Everyone who complains about Universal Healthcare is making plenty of money to pay for themselves. So they bitch and moan about made up issues like "waiting lists" and "rationing" that [b]hardly ever fucking happen in countries with effective UHC systems.[/b] Grow up and realize that there are people with [b]real[/b] problems in the world.[/QUOTE] Just because I'm well off as a middle classed citizen doesn't mean I need to care about other people's problems. When it all comes down to it, I need to worry about myself at the end of the day.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562140]The UK and Canada also have long waiting lists for surgery,[/QUOTE] If their health care systems suck so much, then why are people in the UK and Canada healthier than people in the U.S., and with a higher life expectancy than people in the U.S.? Tell me how that adds up? [QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562140]the country is slowly sinking financially, and to top it all off Gordon Brown is riding shotgun.[/QUOTE] meanwhile, America is doing just fine financially

[QUOTE=radioactive;16562156]You're all idiots, it's a much better than what you already have.[/QUOTE] I seem to be doing just fine, why change it?

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16562175]If their health care systems suck so much, then why are people in the UK and Canada healthier than people in the U.S., and with a higher life expectancy than people in the U.S.?[/QUOTE] A free health system is better, it's not actually free, you pay for it in your plan, but you don't get over the top pricing. [editline]05:15PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562183]I seem to be doing just fine, why change it?[/QUOTE] You may just be a healthy person.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562183]I seem to be doing just fine, why change it?[/QUOTE] I thought you were supposed to be the beacon of freedom and an example to the rest of the world. Or was that just justification to go shoot some people in a different continent?

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562173]Just because I'm well off as a middle classed citizen doesn't mean I need to care about other people's problems. When it all comes down to it, I need to worry about myself at the end of the day.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the issue. You don't give a shit about other people. You've never had a hard life so you just don't give a fuck, and you take the shit you're given for granted. But you're not even 21 one yet, you're still living off daddy's medical care. Do you realize that you rely on other people to fucking survive? Don't act like you're a damn ubermensch who could survive on his own if need be. You rely on other people to get by. "I need to worry about myself at the end of the day." Guess what? So do other people. Other people also worry about you at the end of the day. Do you think you've gotten by with no help?

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16562175]If their health care systems suck so much, then why are people in the UK and Canada healthier than people in the U.S., and with a higher life expectancy than people in the U.S.? Tell me how that adds up? meanwhile, America is doing just fine financially[/QUOTE] What does that have to do with anything? Life expectancy is going to differ regardless because of the vastness of the United States, and the difference isn't even that large. US Expectancy Male: 74.37 Female: 80.05 UK Expectancy Male: 77 Female: 82 At most there's a 3 years difference.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16562218]Welcome to the issue. You don't give a shit about other people. You've never had a hard life so you just don't give a fuck, and you take the shit you're given for granted. But you're not even 21 one yet, you're still living off daddy's medical care. Do you realize that you rely on other people to fucking survive? Don't act like you're a damn ubermensch who could survive on his own if need be. You rely on other people to get by.[/QUOTE] Agreeing, the most you post BedIrish the more you're coming across as a snotty teenager who doesn't know shit outside his world. And for some reason is proud of his ignorance.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562228]What does that have to do with anything? Life expectancy is going to differ regardless because of the vastness of the United States, and the difference isn't even that large. US Expectancy Male: 74.37 Female: 80.05 UK Expectancy Male: 77 Female: 82 At most there's a 3 years difference.[/QUOTE] Don't you think that if their system had such horrible waiting lists, they would be in a bit of a worse position than they are?

[QUOTE=thisispain;16552926]obama's plan is communist, socialist, European and will cause us to suck Chinese dick for 3000 years or so i've heard[/QUOTE]You mean we haven't been sucking their dick already?

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16562262]Don't you think that if their system had such horrible waiting lists, they would be in a bit of a worse position than they are?[/QUOTE] I'd expect someone to argue how the fact they don't have as many people might contribute.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;16562289]I'd expect someone to argue how the fact they don't have as many people might contribute.[/QUOTE] it's proportional dummy

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562091]It's still a private insurer, basically here's what happened, the company has a deal with the government to provide healthcare to it's (The Federal Governments) employees with the exception that it must be cost effective and coverage must be adjusted for those serving the military.[/quote] Sorry that's very different from other, a bit more private, insurance providers. Where do you think the government gets the money to pay that company? Taxpayers. Who's the taxpayers? The public. Sound familiar? You're basically living under a similar form of government health care. Must be nice. [quote=Bredirish123]Now I believe you shouldn't be lecturing people on private insurance.[/QUOTE] I think I can. Alongside the other very ridiculous rates that us New jersey people pay for other types of insurance, health care and dental is one of the most costly. When I graduate high school, I get to look forward to working two or more jobs while attending college just to afford my various insurances (especially auto insurance...it's horrible here), pay for the ridiculous student loan interest, and look forward to paying our infamous high taxes too. It's interesting, too. Because a lot us wonder where all this money we pay out of our ass goes to. Nothing has improved very much, regarding our government and community. In fact, some regional monopolies on popular things have developed (such as comcast, who have been raising prices at will for decent internet and basically doing whatever the fuck they want).

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16562218]Welcome to the issue. You don't give a shit about other people. You've never had a hard life so you just don't give a fuck, and you take the shit you're given for granted. But you're not even 21 one yet, you're still living off daddy's medical care. Do you realize that you rely on other people to fucking survive? Don't act like you're a damn ubermensch who could survive on his own if need be. You rely on other people to get by.[/QUOTE] I've already been looking into my insurance for both car and medical insurance, and you know what? Since I'm being covered until I graduate college (I get a full ride from the Hope Scholarship of Georgia) I'll have worked out my career and I'll select my insurance. Already my average car insurance cost will be $109 and will go down once I turn 25. Health insurance will be around $250 monthly on a more widely known company. And don't tell me I've never had a hard life, for most of it my dad was only getting paid $35,000 a year and supporting seven people in Southern California. Hell when I was a newborn we lived in a tent for a few months because my dad was getting his Firefighter Certification and had no job. So please shut the fuck up asshole. [editline]12:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Conscript;16562327]Sorry that's very different from other, a bit more private, insurance providers. Where do you think the government gets the money to pay that company? Taxpayers. Who's the taxpayers? The public. Sound familiar? [b]Actually, we pay for the insurance, it's cheaper to cover the family than other companies cost. My dad has always had the choice to stick with the one provided by his job or if he wanted to go elsewhere. We did that once with Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina and that was not nearly as good as the insurance we have now.[/b] You're basically living under a similar form of government health care. Must be nice. I think I can. Alongside the other very ridiculous rates that us New jersey people pay for other types of insurance, health care and dental is one of the most costly. When I graduate high school, I get to look forward to working two or more jobs while attending college just to afford my various insurances (especially auto insurance...it's horrible here), pay for the ridiculous student loan interest, and look forward to paying our infamous high taxes too. It's interesting, too. Because a lot us wonder where all this money we pay out of our ass goes to. Nothing has improved very much, regarding our government and community. In fact, some regional monopolies on popular things have developed (such as comcast, who have been raising prices at will for decent internet and basically doing whatever the fuck they want).[/QUOTE] Welcome to Capitalism where Companies try to make money. :allears:

the funniest goddamn thing is that a lot of these rabblerousers are geriatrics on medicare or are cranky war veterans in the VA system I personally support opening Medicare up to everyone (along with some reforms to reduce administration cost and waste), none of this insurance industry dicksucking shit that Obama and a lot of the Dems want.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562349]I've already been looking into my insurance for both car and medical insurance, and you know what? Since I'm being covered until I graduate college (I get a full ride from the Hope Scholarship of Georgia) I'll have worked out my career and I'll select my insurance. Already my average car insurance cost will be $109 and will go down once I turn 25. Health insurance will be around $250 monthly on a more widely known company.[/QUOTE] Look, look at all this money you're able to spend. Look at all that planning you've been able to do because [b]SOMEONE ELSE IS SUPPORTING YOU[/b] at this moment. Poor people don't have that money to spend, that's why they qualify as poor. So what if you can pay for your health care? Other people can't. That's a big fucking issue. [editline]10:32AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562349] Welcome to Capitalism where Companies try to make money. :allears:[/QUOTE] by actively fucking over poor and sick people hell yeah that's the system for me

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;16562349]I've already been looking into my insurance for both car and medical insurance, and you know what? Since I'm being covered until I graduate college (I get a full ride from the Hope Scholarship of Georgia) I'll have worked out my career and I'll select my insurance. Already my average car insurance cost will be $109 and will go down once I turn 25. Health insurance will be around $250 monthly on a more widely known company. And don't tell me I've never had a hard life, for most of it my dad was only getting paid $35,000 a year and supporting seven people in Southern California. Hell when I was a newborn we lived in a tent for a few months because my dad was getting his Firefighter Certification and had no job. So please shut the fuck up asshole. [editline]12:27PM[/editline] Welcome to Capitalism where Companies try to make money. :allears:[/QUOTE] boo hoo hoo want to tell us more about your average life and why you actively support an industry/ideology/lobby acting against your own interest