Phoenix boy, 14, shoots armed intruder while watching three younger siblings
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[QUOTE=Bound;36475635]This isn't a USA thing, what would you do if someone kicked in your front door and had a machete or something. Beg him to stop? Hide in your room and wait 5+ minutes for police to arrive? I'd hope if he was going to harm your family you'd do something to stop him.
[editline]25th June 2012[/editline]
This entire thread is about a guy who broke down the front door of a house and entered the domain with a weapon.[/QUOTE]
Now you're talking about people with machetes, which is completely different from [quote]Also, I don't care if someone's a person, if a stranger breaks into my house and even poses the remotely slightest amount of threat to me or my family's lives I will fucking end theirs in a heartbeat.[/quote]
This is not Fox news.
[QUOTE=_jesterk;36475658]Now you're talking about people with machetes, which is completely different from
This is not Fox news.[/QUOTE]
A machete is a blade which is a weapon. A blade can do more damage up close than a firearm can. I'm not saying this because I PLAY CAWWA DOOTY but it's why police officers don't let anyone with a blade closer than 20 feet to them.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36475665]Reason with him. Treat him like a human being. Maybe even help him??[/QUOTE]
Good luck with that.
I fully support guns, 15 here and I basically go shooting with my dad at a close range to my house.
Shit's fun with SCAR's.
I hate all these technicalities and laws that you're supposed to follow in the heat of a moment, fearing for your life.
Chances are, when someone breaks into your house, you're not gonna think "Oh god If I shoot him if hes inside my house but facing at a 30 degree angle from me and his body temperature is 99 degrees and my TV is on channel 47 and blah blah blah whatever then I'm breaking the law!"
I think it would be best to just take whatever action you feel necessary, than get your case reviewed by a judge and he'll try his best to make a reasonable decision instead of letting the books do so.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36475486]You think he would have shot the children? Not only that, but the only reason he had the gun was because it was available.[/QUOTE]
lol
this is almost as bad as your dumb "i hate society" thread
so he was just supposed to sit there at the mercy of an armed drunkard and hope this home invading stranger didn't decide to kill him and his family? yeah that's a terrible idea and i hope for your sake nobody ever breaks into your house
[editline]25th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36475665]Reason with him. Treat him like a human being. Maybe even help him??[/QUOTE]
rofl
[QUOTE=Bound;36475683]I'm not saying this because I PLAY CAWWA DOOTY but it's why police officers don't let anyone with a blade closer than 20 feet to them.[/quote]
I like how you act like you're a parent when it's blatantly obvious that you're no older than 15.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36475665]Reason with him. Treat him like a human being. Maybe even help him??[/QUOTE]
There is no reasoning with someone who is willing to kick down the door to someone's home and threaten the occupants with (presumably) deadly force. What would I tell him to do, treat me the way he'd want to be treated? That respect for his fellow human beings is the most important thing? No, because he will not agree with me. The very fact that he has sought me out to threaten me signals that he does not share my values of life. I don't condone killing, and I agree with you completely that we are all just people, and that none of us deserve to die, but if someone pulls a weapon on another person then he had best be prepared to get hurt.
EDIT: I forgot my own opinion on this :v:
I congratulate the kid for his bravery. I like to think I'd be able to react the way he did in that situation, but I'm no badass and certainly no soldier (not to suggest he is). I'm also very glad to see that everyone is on the kid's side here, at least thus far.
[QUOTE=_jesterk;36475980]I like how you act like you're a parent when it's blatantly obvious that you're no older than 15.[/QUOTE]
Nice try but I'm 18, and I never tried to pretend that I'm a parent. I said that I'd defend my family and ones who I love. If you wouldn't protect your loved ones then something's wrong with you.
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;36473628]#1 Rule of Firearms Handling:
Never draw your firearm unless you intend someone to die.
If you don't expect someone to be killed by your firearm, you probably shouldn't be carrying it in your hand.
People don't usually shoot to injure anyways, It's just by sheer lack of shot placement (Usually a lucky center-mass shot that only collapsed the lungs or something like that.) that these people survive.[/QUOTE]
That's what you consider the first rule of handling firearms? What?
Also, simply drawing a firearm is enough to stop a criminal's actions just about the majority of the time without even having to pull the trigger.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476089]There's a reason behind everything you do, why wouldn't he have one too? If he wants money, give him some. If he wants to take a life, he'll try to his very last breath. No matter what his motivations are, shooting him only brings guilt and remorse. Unless you think life is a video game and killing doesn't have consequences.[/QUOTE]
Here's a question, if he wants money why the fuck is he robbing a house. Who robs houses for money? People usually B&E houses for possessions, or far, far worse things, like rape etc. Shouldn't he be robbing a store if he's hard on cash? How do you know his intentions? There is no where in this article or any other article on this subject that told the criminal's story. Keep living up to your avatar, Niel.
I'm also not a stingy asshole who doesn't care about total strangers. If someone asks for money and I have some change I'll give it to them. I've gave out plenty of money for people who were desperate for food, or water. A couple month ago I gave some hobo a $20 and completely made his day. There's homeless shelters that can help you if you're hard on times, some girl in my college class was living at a homeless shelter, and she had a son. She was able to get a job and save up enough money to go to DisneyLand with her son while still living at the homeless shelter.
You do NOT NEED TO RESORT TO CRIME TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE, AND YOU CERTAINLY DON'T NEED TO PUT OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES IN PERIL, AND YOU SHOULD NEVER PSYCHOLOGICALLY TRAUMATIZE PEOPLE WITH VIOLENT ACTS NO MATTER HOW "DESPERATE" YOU ARE.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476191]I hope you understand pictures better than you understand text.
[IMG]http://www.everythingsimple.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Camera-Surveillance-Systems.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you even implying with a picture of camera surveillance.
I posted earlier "Just an FYI criminals are using a tactic of having a female to knock on the doors of homes since people are most likely to trust a female and open a door to one. Usually then a man (or men) will spring out of hiding and force their way into the home, or after the female knocks on the door and no one answers she'll give an OK that no one's home, and someone will break in." not for shiggles but because it was the tactic these criminals used. The man didn't do this on his own, he had a female scout the home out first. Camera surveillance wouldn't of done anything for the kid.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476227]I guess not.[/QUOTE]
Implying houses can't have video surveillance. Even then he can cover his face up while robbing a store.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476089]There's a reason behind everything you do, why wouldn't he have one too? If he wants money, give him some. [b]If he wants to take a life, he'll try to his very last breath.[/b] No matter what his motivations are, shooting him only brings guilt and remorse. Unless you think life is a video game and killing doesn't have consequences.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly how those types of people are and that is why it's so important to know how and when to defend yourself. I can't put into words how much I'd rather be able to either receive police assistance or subdue the attacker, but the fact of the matter is if he [i]is[/i] attacking me I [i]will[/i] defend myself tot the best of my abilities. Like I said, I'm no badass, so even getting into a fight like that would probably traumatize me. Deadly force should and will always be my last resort (and the same ought to be said of any sane person), but it will be a measure I would resort to if I absolutely needed to.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476264]I guess SH isn't the place for a reasonable discussion.[/QUOTE]
i'd rather be remorseful about killing an intruder than to be dead
your whole "discussion" is just you being a big baby crying about self defense in one of the most black and white examples of justified force imaginable
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476303]The fact that you find killing someone acceptable is completely beyond my understanding.[/QUOTE]
You would rather die than kill someone who is breaking into your house? What?
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476303]The fact that you find killing someone acceptable is completely beyond my understanding.[/QUOTE]
uh, if they're breaking into my house with a gun with an obvious malicious intent then what do you want me to do? Let them kill me? Yeah, no.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476303]The fact that you find killing someone acceptable is completely beyond my understanding.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you find responding to a threat of deadly force with deadly force unreasonable is beyond my understanding. You are one of the few people in the world that will stare down the barrel of a gun and get shot rather than defend yourself, and I just don't get it.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476335]I'll look forward to the day you kill another person ( even in self defense) and I'll ask you how you feel about things then.[/QUOTE]Living with remorse is better than not living at all.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476335]I'll look forward to the day you kill another person ( even in self defense) and I'll ask you how you feel about things then.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather feel remorse for having to kill someone in self defense rather than feeling nothing at all in death because they killed me.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476356]I'd rather try reason than killing.[/QUOTE]
yes, let's try reasoning with a potential rapist/murderer/thief instead of telling them that you've got a gun and that if they don't leave now you'll shoot. i'm sure the person breaking in to your house would just love to sit down and have a cup of tea.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476335]I'll look forward to the day you kill another person ( even in self defense) and I'll ask you how you feel about things then.[/QUOTE]
Well he sure as fuck will be happy he isn't dead!!!
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476397]You're barbarians.[/QUOTE]No, you're thinking of the men breaking into homes. You know, pillaging.
[QUOTE=Jad Hinto;36476406]No, you're thinking of the men breaking into homes. You know, pillaging.[/QUOTE]
No, shooting the guy who just broke down my door and pointed a gun at me is clearly barbaric.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36474768]That's dumb. So a jobless father who has 3 starving children at home has to risk his life to provide for his children? There's a reason we see so much robbing in the states. If a person can't provide for himself, he has no other choice than to steal.
I'm done with you gun nutjobs that think taking another life is acceptable. You oppose death sentence, but think it's alright for a 14 year old to take another life? What's wrong with you? Have you gotten so used to death? A 14 year old boy TOOK A LIFE. And you praise him for it. That is insane.[/QUOTE]
You break into my house with the intent to steal/harm i don't give a fuck you forfeited your life, prepare to potentially be shot and killed
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476303]The fact that you find killing someone acceptable is completely beyond my understanding.[/QUOTE]
as opposed to what? lmao
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476397]You're barbarians.[/QUOTE]
Just because I live in a cave and hunt wild antelope doesn't make me a barbarian.
Well actually it does but that's besides the point.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476397]You're barbarians.[/QUOTE]
No, you're just an idiot. If someone is breaking into my house then I will sure as hell defend my family. There is no talking it over. I proclaim that I have a gun. The perpetrator can either leave or continue and try to harm my family or steal from us. I cannot see where you are coming from here. Sure, it's horrible that you'd have to kill someone, but if someone has the audacity to break into my house with malicious intent then I'm definitely going to protect my family. Sitting around and trying to talk to them isn't going to do shit. That's going to get you killed or injured most likely. Wanting to protect those you love and your assets is not barbaric.
[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476397]You're barbarians.[/QUOTE]
If there were more people like you I wouldn't even need a job. Just break into houses and steal all their shit while they ask me politely to stop.
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