Phoenix boy, 14, shoots armed intruder while watching three younger siblings - Polidicks

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;36476783]AKA an example of the right to bear arms at work. (don't take the at work part literally) (and inb4 a picture of bear arms)[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://shortwavepirate.info/WBNY/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/armbears2.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=SourBree;36476847]You're a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1176307&highlight=[/url]

[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476867]Well thank god you're not important in any way.[/QUOTE] Rude

[QUOTE=HyperGenesis;36476855]You are literally the dumbest human being I've encountered, well done and good day sir.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SourBree;36476847]You're a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE] Now, ad hominem never got anyone anywhere.

[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476867]Well thank god you're not important in any way. [editline]25th June 2012[/editline] I should have learned my lesson that day.[/QUOTE] You do realize I could just say the exact same thing to you right?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36476859][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1176307&highlight=[/url][/QUOTE] Well I was going to say something but that says it all. I feel sorry for the kid that shot the guy. Its still probably going to stick with him for the rest of his life. However he saved himself and his family, so he has justification.

[QUOTE=Jad Hinto;36476922]Now, ad hominem never got anyone anywhere.[/QUOTE] You are correct. I try not to get abrasive in online discussions but I really couldn't resist. The dumb had overloaded my systems. Back on topic though, that's a brave kid. Hope he doesn't have too many mental problems or the likes from this.

[QUOTE=Jad Hinto;36476922]Now, ad hominem never got anyone anywhere.[/QUOTE] it does when you don't give a shit anymore

[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476821]I know logic.[/QUOTE] Holy shit, how sheltered are you? If a guy has decided to break into a house and try to steal, murder, or rape, he's completely ignored any sort of logic that would otherwise keep him from doing that.

He's got soldier in his blood.

Niels, here's how this entire situation works, and for some reason you're not grasping it at all. You live in an area that has relatively no bad situations of this sort. You live in a relatively safe area where police response is high and there are people around you to protect you. You've obviously never met someone who was in a truly desperate situation. Yes, they are unlikely to kill you if you comply or even if you don't, but noone in their right mind is going to take that chance, unfortunately. You're right in the fact that [I]maybe[/I] be able to talk them down, but more than likely they will act irrationally and accidentally end up shooting you. Then you have people who [B]like[/B] intimidating others with weapons, people who [B]like[/B] killing other people when they don't comply. These people live in the gutters of every country, and they will not hesitate to kill you if you don't do what they want. My response to that? If he wants to try and hurt my family, I will kill him. He will die, and I will have defended my family. I will feel no remorse for anyone other than my family, who had to witness me killing a man. If he entered the home with me only in it, I would feel nothing after killing him except the sheer terror about the fact someone tried to enter my home with the intention of harming me. This is how I will always feel, along with any other sane person in this world, because the instincts of self-preservation will not allow me, nor anyone else to feel any other way. They are the "bad guy" who entered their domain and tried to take over.

ewitwins has it right. I own a Russian SKS and if someone broke into my house, they have signed a death warrant. I, not now or ever, will tolerate someone coming into my home to harm me or my friends or family. Any intruder is assumed to be armed, dangerous and willing to kill at a seconds notice. And If I can't reach some kind of ranged weapon, I have a 4ft sword hanging on my wall, I'll fucking go down trying to protect those I care for without hesitation or a seconds thought. I [i]do not[/i] condone killing of others, thats not what I'm trying to say. Like "FUCKIN' KILL EM' ALL! YEAH!" NO, if I can avoid it I will as far as I safely can. A kind of quote of mine is "No one has the right to take the life of another, but there are times a choice has to be made, and it's me or him." It's a shitty fact of life and I don't like it anymore then anyone else who disagrees with killing but like I said, It's me or him.

Guess we should of just let Germany conquer all of Europe, they'll get their just desserts one day!

And it's not like we wouldn't feel terrible for killing a human being, that's the last thing [I]anyone[/I] would want to do. This is something that is non-negotiable though. You break into my house armed, you die. Obviously if it's some kid trying to make a quick buck I'm not going to fill him full of holes. I am, however, going to pointing a [B]very[/B] big gun in his face until the police arrive.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;36477788]And it's not like we wouldn't feel terrible for killing a human being, that's the last thing [I]anyone[/I] would want to do. This is something that is non-negotiable though. You break into my house armed, you die. Obviously if it's some kid trying to make a quick buck I'm not going to fill him full of holes. [b]I am, however, going to pointing a [B]very[/B] big gun in his face until the police arrive.[/b][/QUOTE] Precisely, If you can out intimidate your assailant the better. Something as big as a .454 Cassul would work, or this A WTS .50 BMG (Browning Machine gun Cartridge) Pistol [img]http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/50_bmg_pistol_1-tfb-tm.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=NielsGade;36476748]Everyone has reason. It's a part of being human.[/QUOTE] I that statement very ironic since I've sensed that you even have a shred of reason yourself.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36476859][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1176307&highlight=[/url][/QUOTE] Holy shit, this guy is 22? I thought he was 12 or something.

That kid is a fucking hero.

Just a side note, In Canada this man would of died. Why? If he survives, our twisted justice system will most likely lay charges, and he can sue- and win. If someone breaks into a house in Canada, and the residents decide to use enough force to wound- He will die if they know the laws.

[QUOTE=The DooD;36472257]I wonder if it's possible, maybe kids that have access to firearms should be taught obviously gun safety, but also how to neutralise an intruder with reduced chance of killing them. I don't know if that's feasible, or how lucky the kid got in this case, but it's good that he managed to shoot him without killing him.[/QUOTE] Little late on this, but some of you guys just need to drop the whole "all human life is sacred" thing. When the kid took aim and let a round go, I'm willing to bet a fair amount of money that he intended for his target to die, [I]as he should have[/I].

The point is you guys act like blood-thirsty savages to look cool on a forum. Real people are not concerned with such bullshit as to whether or not someone like this dies. If you can stop them, good, if not, shit. You got to lay that teenage angst aside sometime and learn to be an actual human being.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;36478778]The point is you guys act like blood-thirsty savages to look cool on a forum. Real people are not concerned with such bullshit as to whether or not someone like this dies. If you can stop them, good, if not, shit. You got to lay that teenage angst aside sometime and learn to be an actual human being.[/QUOTE] And you need to realize that not everyone here is acting like "blood thirsty savages" as you so nicely put it. Not everyone here are teens either, such as myself, I'm 27. Most of the point in these statements are about wanting to protect ones self, home and family. "If you can stop them, good, if not, shit." No kidding, thats kind of obvious but it's not like your not gonna try like hell. Also, what does it mean to "be an actual human being"? That's an insanely broad statement being it varies so wildly between people. Some people are passive and some act more violently, that's just the way it is. My point is you should really try to be less rude, outright assuming that everyone here is posting trying to be proverbial "Duke Nukems", that is not what is happening here.

Good for the kid. I go to the range every week for just such an occasion, been going since I was 13. We live in a posh-ish middle class neighborhood which is mostly populated by retired police men(crime is down 20% in our neighborhood compared to the surrounding ones), but it always pays to be safe. I would have preferred if the assailant had died, but the kid did good and should be commended, and it should be impressed upon him that he did the right thing, more importantly, for the right reasons. That will keep him from A: being scarred for life and B: becoming cold blooded with disregard for human life, respectively.

[QUOTE=ewitwins;36477568]I will feel no remorse for anyone other than my family, who had to witness me killing a man.[/QUOTE] this is a bit scary in all honesty don't get me wrong, I think people should be able to defend themselves, and it's certainly a good thing that you've got a way to avoid being robbed/killed/what have you, but absolutely no remorse? none at all? I get that self-preservation takes over at that point, but I really doubt I'd feel absolutely nothing after shooting a guy.

[QUOTE=Kabstrac;36471726]In an [B]ideal[/B] world, no body would need weapons for self-defence, just for sport[/QUOTE] Yes but we live in the real world, and the moment people can learn to accept not everyone is good and that there are just some people who want to take advantage of others, we can move forward and properly teach our children about safety and how to defend themselves against the scum like this man.

[QUOTE=Cone;36479241]but I really doubt I'd feel absolutely nothing after shooting a guy.[/QUOTE] man the fuck up, pussy

All of you guys seem to have the idea that a man with a gun [b]must[/b] be there to kill you if he broke into your house. Murders have 3 different kind of motivations: profit, passion, compulsion. If you had a price on your head, I doubt that the assassin would've even entered your house before killing you. I doubt that a stranger is there to kill you because you fucked his non-existent wife. Crimes of compulsion are really uncommon. Think John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer when I mention this category. The guy has a gun to defend himself and make sure you do not stop him. He is not there to kill you. He is there for the cash, your valuables. In case someone is there to kill you, guns or the penalty for murder won't deteriorate him. I would never kill someone who broke into my house, because I believe that murder is barbaric and there is a police force and a justice system for a reason.

[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;36481237]All of you guys seem to have the idea that a man with a gun [b]must[/b] be there to kill you if he broke into your house. Murders have 3 different kind of motivations: profit, passion, compulsion. If you had a price on your head, I doubt that the assassin would've even entered your house before killing you. I doubt that a stranger is there to kill you because you fucked his non-existent wife. Crimes of compulsion are really uncommon. Think John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer when I mention this category. The guy has a gun to defend himself and make sure you do not stop him. He is not there to kill you. He is there for the cash, your valuables. In case someone is there to kill you, guns or the penalty for murder won't deteriorate him. I would never kill someone who broke into my house, because I believe that murder is barbaric and there is a police force and a justice system for a reason.[/QUOTE] Too bad cops arrive after the robbery takes place. You have about a minute tops to protect your life. Don't want to shoot an intruder? Have fun dying.

[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;36481237]All of you guys seem to have the idea that a man with a gun [b]must[/b] be there to kill you if he broke into your house. Murders have 3 different kind of motivations: profit, passion, compulsion. If you had a price on your head, I doubt that the assassin would've even entered your house before killing you. I doubt that a stranger is there to kill you because you fucked his non-existent wife. Crimes of compulsion are really uncommon. Think John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer when I mention this category. The guy has a gun to defend himself and make sure you do not stop him. He is not there to kill you. He is there for the cash, your valuables. In case someone is there to kill you, guns or the penalty for murder won't deteriorate him. I would never kill someone who broke into my house, because I believe that murder is barbaric and there is a police force and a justice system for a reason.[/QUOTE] True but someone with a gun has a lot of power, if someone came into my house and I am unarmed he could do anything he would. Take a gun into someone's other house with children and you're on the wrong path anyway, a criminal with a gun is a big threat and if I could neutralize that threat by subdueing through non lethal force then yes thats great. But what if he has hostile intent? Trust me mate I'd go apeshit on him, it's my house, my property and my children.

[QUOTE=arthuro12;36481313]True but someone with a gun has a lot of power, if someone came into my house and I am unarmed he could do anything he would. Take a gun into someone's other house with children and you're on the wrong path anyway, a criminal with a gun is a big threat and if I could neutralize that threat by subdueing through non lethal force then yes thats great. But what if he has hostile intent? Trust me mate I'd go apeshit on him, it's my house, my property and my children.[/QUOTE] The whole "if he has hostile intent" is enough for me to use lethal force on anyone breaking into my house, especially if my family is home as well. Announce you're armed, if they continue - shoot them. Deal with it later.