• Google boss "very proud of our tax avoidance scheme"
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selfish google, he looks ugly anyway haters gonna hate. :)
i.e. Frances now ridiculous tax hikes [editline]13th December 2012[/editline] automerge fuck
Whatever happened to civic duty? Because I don't see that saved money going to their workers.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38817926]Whatever happened to civic duty? Because I don't see that saved money going to their workers.[/QUOTE] "civic duty" is meaningless and is on a person to person basis really. And theoretically money saved is money reinvested which in turn means more revenue, more job creation, expansion, etc. In turn expanding and paying their work force
[QUOTE=garry;38817624]I don't get why this makes people angry. Why would you pay more tax than you need to? If the govt don't like it then they should change the tax law so they have no other choice. No-one is voluntarily going to pay more tax than they have to. It's an accountant's main job to minimize the amount of tax that you pay. If your morals should dictate the amount of tax you pay then why not get rid of the whole tax law all together and let people pay what they morally think they should?[/QUOTE] So is this article also how Gmod makes so much money?
[QUOTE=garry;38817881]Seems like a recession is a perfect time for a business to reduce the amount of tax it pays?[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, let's stifle the amount of money in circulation and cause the recessions to last [B]EVEN LONGER.[/B] It's bad enough private persons do it, but when companies do it, it's atrocious.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;38817954]"civic duty" is meaningless and is on a person to person basis really. And theoretically money saved is money reinvested which in turn means more revenue, more job creation, expansion, etc. In turn expanding and paying their work force[/QUOTE] Except none of that happens.
Makes about 10 Billion in revenue, Pays 6 Million in tax. As someone once said, Farting in an elevator isn't illegal, either
[QUOTE=Swilly;38817999]Except none of that happens.[/QUOTE] Then how do large corporations even exist if they are apparently just pocketing the money and bathing in it?
[QUOTE=Swilly;38817926]Whatever happened to civic duty? Because I don't see that saved money going to their workers.[/QUOTE] Apparently the sentiment is "a business have no moral obligations". That might be true juridically speaking but is that [I]really[/I] the kind of world we want to live in? If you seriously have to ask why people find this offensive I start to wonder how disjointed you must be from society
[QUOTE=smurfy;38817504]"Yeah well it's all technically legal so :smug:" is the worst shit ever, like when MPs tried to pull it during the expenses scandal[/QUOTE] Do you really think any large company is going to give any tax money they don't have to? Making things like this illegal will either just drive large corporations away or just result in a small change to how they operate to get it back to avoiding as much as possible. I don't see how this is any worse than anyone who gets an accountant to look at their income and make sure they're minimizing their tax liability. The very fact that tax accountants exist means regardless of what you do those who pay a lot of money to their accountant will find ways around most of it.
[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;38817780]because he's being so smug about it and we're in a recession, which need s we need the money. Talk to the Republicans on why the tax rates haven't gone up for corporations yet[/QUOTE] if anything, taxes should go down during a recession to help businesses manage their capital.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38817926]Whatever happened to civic duty? Because I don't see that saved money going to their workers.[/QUOTE] You mean apart from providing them with a job? It's not free money up for grabs - it's earnings. The company has earned it. What percentage of your earned money should you give away in the name of civic duty? [editline]13th December 2012[/editline] The moral argument doesn't hold up. You pay what you have to - not what you think is fair. If the govt wants its taxes it should simplify the tax law so these loopholes aren't possible.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;38818022]Apparently the sentiment is "a business have no moral obligations". That might be true juridically speaking but is that [I]really[/I] the kind of world we want to live in? If you seriously have to ask why people find this offensive I start to wonder how disjointed you must be from society[/QUOTE] I do find it offensive?
Oh yes, be mad at google, because they're responsible for these loop holes that allow them to pay less. No you fuckers, be mad at the governments who've created convoluted tax systems that allow companies to get away with paying less than they're supposed to.
[QUOTE=garry;38818067] The moral argument doesn't hold up. You pay what you have to - not what you think is fair. If the govt wants its taxes it should simplify the tax law so these loopholes aren't possible.[/QUOTE] But those taxes go to things like schools and infrastructure. Those things that businesses rely on to get a well educated workforce so they can make money. They're stealing from themselves to make a quick buck. Status Quo arguments are not good arguments because that implies there will not be change.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38818206]But those taxes go to things like schools and infrastructure. Those things that businesses rely on to get a well educated workforce so they can make money. They're stealing from themselves to make a quick buck.[/QUOTE] You have a demonized view of companies and corporations but seem to be pretty naive when it comes to the government. Cause governments have proven to be so fiscally responsible with their tax income right?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38818199]Oh yes, be mad at google, because they're responsible for these loop holes that allow them to pay less. No you fuckers, be mad at the governments who've created convoluted tax systems that allow companies to get away with paying less than they're supposed to.[/QUOTE] why not both
[QUOTE=Aman VII;38818221]You have a demonized view of companies and corporations but seem to be pretty naive when it comes to the government. Cause governments have proven to be so fiscally responsible with their tax income right?[/QUOTE] I'm jaded, I trust neither. Its the governments fault for putting the loopholes in but its the Corporations fault for not letting the government function properly to fix how we tax. Its this vicious god damn cycle and I'm tired of it.
[QUOTE=Swilly;38818206]But those taxes go to things like schools and infrastructure. Those things that businesses rely on to get a well educated workforce so they can make money. They're stealing from themselves to make a quick buck. Status Quo arguments are not good arguments because that implies there will not be change.[/QUOTE] Look, it doesn't matter how you feel morally about where this money should go the fact of the matter is that there are loopholes that allow this to happen. You don't fault the person who uses the loopholes, you fault the people who made the god damn holes possible. Seriously. No point in pretending you, or anyone else would give more than needed at all times just because of "morality". It's the loopholes that need to be dealt with. [editline]13th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;38818229]why not both[/QUOTE] Because it's not an equal share of guilt, that's why
just because there is something you can exploit does not mean you should exploit it
[QUOTE=garry;38818067]You mean apart from providing them with a job? It's not free money up for grabs - it's earnings. The company has earned it. What percentage of your earned money should you give away in the name of civic duty? [editline]13th December 2012[/editline] The moral argument doesn't hold up. You pay what you have to - not what you think is fair. If the govt wants its taxes it should simplify the tax law so these loopholes aren't possible.[/QUOTE] I want these big companies to pay their taxes but I agree; it's the government role to fix loopholes not companies role not to use them. I think we need a UN meeting or something to work out how to stop this type of legal tax avoidence.
they are both equally at fault
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;38818250]just because there is something you can exploit does not mean you should exploit it[/QUOTE] That's the moral argument again and clearly google doesn't care about that.
What about lobbying efforts? What about the fact that any time we start talking about fixing taxes we get assholes like Grover Norquist? Its not just a governmental issue, its a god damn mountain of issues.
[QUOTE=Aman VII;38818270]That's the moral argument again and clearly google doesn't care about that.[/QUOTE] well they should?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;38818199]Oh yes, be mad at google, because they're responsible for these loop holes that allow them to pay less. No you fuckers, be mad at the governments who've created convoluted tax systems that allow companies to get away with paying less than they're supposed to.[/QUOTE] Why can't we be mad at both?
I commend any company that avoids tax
[QUOTE=Swilly;38818276]What about lobbying efforts? What about the fact that any time we start talking about fixing taxes we get assholes like Grover Norquist? Its not just a governmental issue, its a god damn mountain of issues.[/QUOTE] Lobbying is bad, yes. Lobbying causes bad things to happen, most likely. Lobbying has also had effects that we're not going to be able to fully understand for years in terms of the services we get and have come to expect. Lobbying should probably be done away with(companies don't need a voice at all, amirte?)
[QUOTE=squids_eye;38818292]Why can't we be mad at both?[/QUOTE] Because apparently government is the only one that fucks up and corporations can have their greasy fingers in the working ever.
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