Horror as gangs of migrants 'assault female swimmers and masturbate in hot tub'
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I'm all for refugee rights, but I have zero sympathy for people who can assimilate to the point where they're sexually harassing women.
Deport them if they're going to continue to act like animals.
[QUOTE=Adarrek;49588294]There is no such thing as "unbiased" news or reports.[/QUOTE]There are, however, many less biased sources than the perpetual diarrhoea waterfall that is the British tabloid press. Countering bias in one direction by bias in the opposite direction doesn't really solve anything.
Friendly reminder that jizz may carry HIV
[QUOTE=proch;49589570]Friendly reminder that jizz may carry HIV[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure the pool chemicals counter that.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;49588431]I find it funny how on Facepunch when there's a story of a sexual assault by a guy and lots of people here are like 'innocent before proven guilty, muh false rape accusations, women lie about rape, she's a bitch' etc etc, but when it's a story about sexual assaults by refugees and migrants it's all 'deport the fuckers, will this ever end' etc.
Like shit I don't doubt it that these things are actually happening in Europe right now, but it's just that double standard holy shit.[/QUOTE]
We blame victims and around her. Unless the perpetrator is brown
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49589577]Pretty sure the pool chemicals counter that.[/QUOTE]
Source?
[QUOTE=ElderRanger;49589668]Source?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.hivsport.org/swimming.php[/url]
I searched "HIV swimming pools" :downs:
I believe there was a video of immigrants posted on here throwing rocks and harassing truck drivers as they drove along the road.
It's seems like a learned behavior to be hostile/crude for a lot of them. Countries need better operations to screen who should get in and who should not imo.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49589577]Pretty sure the pool chemicals counter that.[/QUOTE]
You can never be sure enough, there are various affecting factors. And who's to say it only went into the pool?
[editline]23rd January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Adarrek;49588294]There is no such thing as "unbiased" news or reports.[/QUOTE]
Also, bias doesn't make sonething untrue
The Express is a GARBAGE source. How many more fucking times does this need to be said.
It appeals to people so fucking stupid that even the Daily Mail is too soft or complicated for them. They literally have had a massively publicised "anti-eu/leave" agenda they call a literal crusade that goes back years and years. They're one of Rupet Murdoch's propaganda rags.
So when we get the usual string of "I knew I was right! Damn liberals destroying mah Europe" posts reading threads like this, my skull wants to break through my skin I'm cringing so hard
[QUOTE=Adarrek;49588294]There is no such thing as "unbiased" news or reports.[/QUOTE]
yeah and that's why you should believe this complete garbage source!!!!!
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49588493]the easy double standard to see is when people deny that rape culture exists then talk about how muslims have rape inherently in their culture[/QUOTE]hahaha what "rape culture" lmao
Could you please fucking show me somebody who thinks rape is completely okay? Really, I want to see somebody who was raised in a stable family in a modern Western country and still says "yeah, rape is fukken hilarious!" I really don't know of anyone personally who feels this way and mind you I know people who are actual, honest racists and believe that the USA should be a white-only country. So even combing the list of bigots and nutcases I'm familiar with doesn't turn up a single guy I can say is 100% comfortable with rape and wholeheartedly supports it. Maybe you could trick some of them into saying it's okay in certain hyperbolic circumstances but that doesn't exactly provide much confidence in the notion that "a rape culture" exists. If there is such a "culture" I guarantee you that the fedora fuckers who are a part of it haven't acted on it because sniffing women on the bus and making posts on /pol/ isn't actually rape. It's creepy as hell, but it doesn't fit any definition of rape that hasn't been conjured up by some complete dipshit on tumblr.
That said, this shit happening in Islamic societies is by no means a secret. To go with the extreme example: all that sick fucking shit Daesh pulls that enrages everyone and upsets their little, Western hearts is the result of literally following their scriptures by the letter. Really, I have all the evidence I need to back up my claim simply by gesturing casually to the sex slaves in ar-Raqqah when I say Islam's chock fuckin full of misogyny.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49590031]
That said, this shit happening in Islamic societies is by no means a secret. To go with the extreme example: all that sick fucking shit Daesh pulls that enrages everyone and upsets their little, Western hearts is the result of literally following their scriptures by the letter. Really, I have all the evidence I need to back up my claim simply by gesturing casually to the sex slaves in ar-Raqqah when I say Islam's chock fuckin full of misogyny.[/QUOTE]
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/Islam_branches_and_schools.svg/1032px-Islam_branches_and_schools.svg.png[/t]
These are all the Islamic schools (that I found with a quick search). Surely that proves that you can't really follow it by the letter? I'm not saying there isn't a group that believes their religion tells them to rape their enemies but I don't think we should go as far as saying it's inherently there.
[QUOTE=Jordax;49587685]It just shows that those people have no respect for other people's cultures and value and they never will have any respect for us no matter how much money we throw at their intolerant asses while they continue to, in this case, literally shit up the country which took them in.
But don't worry, one of them might be the next Steve Jobs, so let's take in even more, that will surely work out. Or at least, that is what that delusional commie bitch Merkel still believes.[/QUOTE]
yes, those 5 people have no respect.
[editline]23rd January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;49589180]"Several asylum seekers were reportedly arrested in connection with the claims, but have since been released."
What does this mean? That they're not guilty? That police doesn't give a shit?[/QUOTE]
it means you don't stay in jail. you get to walk around until your trial comes
[editline]23rd January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49588457]I think it has more to do with how news articles play the story of what sex raped/offended/etc to the other; rather than the things that actually occurred. I'm not saying you are wrong, but how most news articles are written there is no denying that men attacking women are actually written less sympathetically than vice versa.[/QUOTE]
I especially like how there is a completely unrelated line about some deluded group of people calling for ban of alcohol just to throw in even more stuff for reactionary idiots to get worked up about.
[editline]23rd January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=V12US;49587515]Shit like this makes me so mad.[/QUOTE]
And it works
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49590054]These are all the Islamic schools (that I found with a quick search). Surely that proves that you can't really follow it by the letter? I'm not saying there isn't a group that believes their religion tells them to rape their enemies but I don't think we should go as far as saying it's inherently there.[/QUOTE]It is inherently there. There's all these fun little rules like when you can have sex with your slave girls (Sura 23:5-6) or about when you capture women in war. (Sura 4:24) So yeah, if they follow the Quran, which they absolutely do, then it is common with all the various sects/schools/interpretations.
What's a deciding factor is how much bullshit somebody wants to ignore and still continue to call themselves Muslims. Really by definition if you disagree with any part and go "nuh uh, that's not Islam" you're not a Muslim anymore but hey, I don't give a shit either way. I hate the religion, not the people.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49590090]It is inherently there. There's all these fun little rules like when you can have sex with your slave girls (Sura 23:5-6) or about when you capture women in war. (Sura 4:24) So yeah, if they follow the Quran, which they absolutely do, then it is common with all the various sects/schools/interpretations.
What's a deciding factor is how much bullshit somebody wants to ignore and still continue to call themselves Muslims. Really by definition if you disagree with any part and go "nuh uh, that's not Islam" you're not a Muslim anymore but hey, I don't give a shit either way. I hate the religion, not the people.[/QUOTE]
These are in the bible too so what's your point?
Extremists blindly following and, according to most Musim schools, missinterpreting the scripture for justificaion of their actions?
Yes. Despicable.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49590129]These are in the bible too so what's your point?
Extremists blindly following and, according to most Musim schools, missinterpreting the scripture for justificaion of their actions?
Yes. Despicable.[/QUOTE]Point it out. I will gladly swat that shit down because nowhere in the bible does it codify the sexual conduct between a slaveowner and his property. We're not talking about "scripture justifying actions" and then pointing to some vague bullshit in a part of the bible that no longer has dominion of Christians. You would need to point out a specific instance where Jesus said, "hey, you guys, you know what feels great? [I]rape"[/I] and then you would have a point.
[editline]because I just know deep down I will have to explain this shit[/editline]
To make it perfectly clear: Jew laws don't apply to Christians. They did not make a righteous people, the Christian's god saw that the Jews were being buttheads and so he sent down Jesus to set shit straight. The Jews were super pissed off by this upstart prophet and subsequently proved God's point and made the Romans kill Jesus.
Even suggesting that a faith revolving around a guy who was willingly crucified to pay for everyone's sins has elements that condone rape or slavery or all the other fucked up shit Islam has in it is [I]completely[/I] ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Hanso;49587697]What is it about pools that turns these jerks into freaks?[/QUOTE]
That they can see women's brazen ankles perhaps?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49588493]the easy double standard to see is when people deny that rape culture exists then talk about how muslims have rape inherently in their culture[/QUOTE]
I have never heard anyone on this forum ever say that rape culture just doesn't exist at all. I think you may be confusing it with the sentiment that rape culture doesn't exist in mainstream western society.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49590090]It is inherently there. There's all these fun little rules like when you can have sex with your slave girls (Sura 23:5-6) or about when you capture women in war. (Sura 4:24) So yeah, if they follow the Quran, which they absolutely do, then it is common with all the various sects/schools/interpretations.
What's a deciding factor is how much bullshit somebody wants to ignore and still continue to call themselves Muslims. Really by definition if you disagree with any part and go "nuh uh, that's not Islam" you're not a Muslim anymore but hey, I don't give a shit either way. I hate the religion, not the people.[/QUOTE]
The verse you first cited is this: [QUOTE]Certainly will the believers have succeeded:... And they who guard their private parts- except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -[/QUOTE]
It doesn't mention rape at all. It does say that you can have sex with your wife and the people you own (slaves). Now, I'm not retarded so I do realise that people will interpret this as: I can fuck my wife and slaves as much as I want, but others will see this as the rule that the only person you can have sex with is your wife and (since this text was written thousands of years ago), your slaves. But I don't see how this is relevant to these issues?
I think that if they were all that barbaric, we would already have had much bigger issues.
[QUOTE=CoixNiro;49590166]I have never heard anyone on this forum ever say that rape culture just doesn't exist at all. I think you may be confusing it with the sentiment that rape culture doesn't exist in mainstream western society.[/QUOTE]Well I sort of did, but key part of your post is that "mainstream" bit. I really do not think there is some widespread acceptance of sexual violence in this country, men don't need to be taught to not rape because men already think it's wrong and fucked up.
I'm just seriously wondering where the guys who are part of this "rape culture" are hanging out, I have never met a single person who has ever thought rape was A-OK.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49590150]Point it out. I will gladly swat that shit down because nowhere in the bible does it codify the sexual conduct between a slaveowner and his property. We're not talking about "scripture justifying actions" and then pointing to some vague bullshit in a part of the bible that no longer has dominion of Christians. You would need to point out a specific instance where Jesus said, "hey, you guys, you know what feels great? [I]rape"[/I] and then you would have a point.
[editline]because I just know deep down I will have to explain this shit[/editline]
To make it perfectly clear: Jew laws don't apply to Christians. They did not make a righteous people, the Christian's god saw that the Jews were being buttheads and so he sent down Jesus to set shit straight. The Jews were super pissed off by this upstart prophet and subsequently proved God's point and made the Romans kill Jesus.
Even suggesting that a faith revolving around a guy who was willingly crucified to pay for everyone's sins has elements that condone rape or slavery or all the other fucked up shit Islam has in it is [I]completely[/I] ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to. I'm not gonna do the usual SH bullshit.
Your mind is set anyway.
"swat down" other shit.
[editline]23rd January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49590174]Well I sort of did, but key part of your post is that "mainstream" bit. I really do not think there is some widespread acceptance of sexual violence in this country, men don't need to be taught to not rape because men already think it's wrong and fucked up.
I'm just seriously wondering where the guys who are part of this "rape culture" are hanging out, I have never met a single person who has ever thought rape was A-OK.[/QUOTE]
Neither have I in the Muslim countries I've been to.
[QUOTE=Laferio;49588327]If it's something that has happened, I don't really see a problem with reporting it.
If there's a serious lack there-of threads discussing the positives of immigration e.g a good story or a good thing that has happened; then I don't see what's keeping you from making another thread that would shine light on the good side of things.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1502134"]except a biased source doesn't need to fabricate stories wholesale[/URL], [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1502134&p=49561105&viewfull=1#post49561105"]they can add or remove crucial details as they want and produce a story that's not even in the same ballpark as the original.[/URL] like, say, turning a speedy and harsh police response to COMPLETE GOVERNMENT INACTION IN THE FACE OF THIS VIOLENT FOREIGN TIDE by neglecting to mention what happened [I]after[/I] the assault.
all it needs then is a [highlight]VERY THREATENING HEADLINE[/highlight] to make the issue seem more alarming than it necessarily is and detract from efforts to slow down and seriously analyze it, like [highlight]SHOCK AND HORROR: MIGRANTS TERRORIZE LOCAL BEACHGOERS![/highlight] why are you questioning my source, don't you know that [highlight]MIGRANTS ARE TERRORIZING OUR LOCAL BEACHGOERS [I]RIGHT NOW[/I] WHILE THE POLICE DO NOTHING!?[/highlight]
and that's how you can legally make shit up in the UK press
You know, it's pretty bad but I do wonder where this intense care for women and girls being harassed was before the refugee crisis.
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49590173]It doesn't mention rape at all. It does say that you can have sex with your wife and the people you own (slaves).[/QUOTE]... what
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49590173]people will interpret this as: I can fuck my wife and slaves as much as I want, but others will see this as the rule that the only person you can have sex with is your wife and (since this text was written thousands of years ago), your slaves. But I don't see how this is relevant to these issues?[/QUOTE]Yeah it doesn't matter if it's okay or not, by any definition a slave cannot consent because of the most basic concept of slavery: do what your master tells you to do. Plus if you knew how people would interpret it why did you refute me? No matter which way you look at it there's explicit endorsement of sexual exploitation of somebody that is [U]owned[/U] by somebody else.
[editline]23rd January 2016[/editline]
I'm going to be honest here with you Flumbooze, I don't really want to argue with you about Islam and rape in a thread about migrants allegedly shitting in a pool.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49590176]I'm not going to. I'm not gonna do the usual SH bullshit.
Your mind is set anyway.
"swat down" other shit.[/QUOTE]
Very convenient reply.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49590192]... what[/QUOTE]
As in: it's not okay to have sex with random people that have no connection to you.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49590192]
Yeah it doesn't matter if it's okay or not, by any definition a slave cannot consent because of the most basic concept of slavery: do what your master tells you to do. Plus if you knew how people would interpret it why did you refute me? No matter which way you look at it there's explicit endorsement of sexual exploitation of somebody that is [U]owned[/U] by somebody else.[/QUOTE]
That only became the basic concept of slavery since the 16th century. During the Roman Empire, you weren't allowed to hurt your slave (without a good reason) or kill them. In medieval times, there was the system of taxes. (The only 'real' slaves were war captives.) The slaves did have a certain freedom to do as they wanted (as long as they were loyal to their master and did what they had to do) right until the 16th century.
And because there are dozens of other schools that interpret it another way. Yes, owning slaves was bad but it's a different time. To say that people can't be 'real' muslims because they have the sense to see this text in its own context/timeline is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=.Lain;49587502]clearly nationals are capable of doing no wrong either
[editline]23rd January 2016[/editline]
this isn't inherently to do with muslims, syrians or immigrants as a whole. this has to do with horrible immigration control and standards far more than anything[/QUOTE]
What is definitely happening is people are coming to western countries and then refusing to live with western ideals. Immigration without integration like this is shit, and a lot of people just don't want to integrate
[QUOTE=phygon;49590222]What is definitely happening is people are coming to western countries and then refusing to become westerners or live with western ideals. Immigration without integration like this is shit, and they don't want to integrate.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it should be up to them to decide whether they integrate or not because the only things at risk are the nation and the natives.
What should be done is to not give them a chance not to integrate. They're free to do what they wish in private, but if you're in public, you shouldn't be allowed to do bad stuff, like any citizen is expected to
[editline]23rd January 2016[/editline]
but ofc countries dont care about integrating people because there are no problems its just rightwing propaganda just believe me
say a tabloid article might be fabricating details or exaggerating the story and you cause a shitstorm, say the [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1502309&p=49568531&viewfull=1#post49568531]same[/url] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1502309&p=49576476&viewfull=1#post49576476]thing[/url] about an attack on refugees and no one bats an eye
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