Horror as gangs of migrants 'assault female swimmers and masturbate in hot tub'
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You guys make it sound like all non-western societies promote rape culture when you don't even live in all those other countries you talk shit about.
Let me tell you this: they don't. Their nationality has jack shit to do with it. Their religion has jack shit to do with it.
These are horny assholes doing shit like these because of their lack of self-restraint, lack of empathy towards people they consider foreign(idk how to explain this one, kinda like how coming from a shithole and banding together somewhere really different from where you are from has a psychological effect, like yolo bullshit or something?) and other such factors.
I mean, when these people push for a ban on pork instead of adapting, then that shows that they're unwilling to integrate sure but when you say that RAPE is the result of unwillingness to integrate you're implying that rape is actually advocated/condoned in their home countries lol how condescending can you be
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not defending their actions. You can quote the Qu'ran as much as you want but the reality is that the common muslim person doesn't use it to justify the practice of rape hell most of them don't even give a shit.
willing to bet that while i post this someone out there's compiling a list of rapes in the middle east that got through the legal system(omg evil sharia!!!) and looking for qu'ran quotes that most common muslims dont even give a shit about heh
I don't condone the actions of this group of migrants, but generalizations that only serve to fuel racism don't help either.
SHOCKING: HORDES of BARBARIAN migrants RAPE and PILLAGE Europe, governments and police held back by BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS
I've noticed that all of these articles are about migrants assaulting women. Most likely just getting men riled up "THEY'RE TAKING OUR WOMEN! AHHHHH KILL THEM ALL!"
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49590216]That only became the basic concept of slavery since the 16th century.[/QUOTE]Price of tea in China, etc Really doesn't matter what happened in the 16th century, even if you had a point it all goes away when you examine Mohammad's character and what he actually did. So no, slaves still could not consent and it was still rape.
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49590216]And because there are dozens of other schools that interpret it another way.[/QUOTE]Really? Give me official opinions of influential religious schola.. actually fuck that, I don't really need to see some fucking guy's justification for slavery. Don't care. Bottom line is it's sex with slaves and it's wrong because slavery is wrong and rape is wrong. I don't get how you're not understanding this, but whatever, I don't really give too much of a shit to keep explaining it to you.
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;49590216]To say that people can't be 'real' muslims because they have the sense to see this text in its own context/timeline is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]"It was a different time" means "our religion is full of barbaric shit but we have to play nice with you kaffirs." Islam has codified slavery, domestic abuse, murder, genocide, and a bunch of other atrocious bullshit, it's the exact same shit as found in the Old Testament that was done away with and that's why Christians seem like meek little sheep. Islam's prophet was a violent thug, Christianity's prophet was a hippy and Western society's moral code is based around all that hippy love-thy-neighbor shit. You can go "well that's not fair! good people can be Muslims too!" and say it's ridiculous to quote the Quran about who is and who isn't a Muslim but bottom fuckin line: go against the word of your god and you are not part of that religion. Period. Allah says do this that and the other thing, ~moderate Muslims~ do just the other thing and say shit like "oh well that was for a ~different time~ teehee." [I]Islam[/I] was for a different time, if you're just going to follow the handful of sensible things convert to a religion that doesn't say in no uncertain terms it's okay to kill heathens and unbelievers.
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49590265]I mean, when these people push for a ban on pork instead of adapting, then that shows that they're unwilling to integrate sure but when you say that RAPE is the result of unwillingness to integrate you're implying that rape is actually advocated/condoned in their home countries lol how condescending can you be[/QUOTE]Their definition of rape is apparently different than ours, or Islam really is that toxic. Either way, they are in our countries so they need to learn the new rules. When there needs to be [url=http://news.yahoo.com/no-means-no-norway-sends-migrants-anti-rape-212933003.html]classes to teach this[/url] and there's [url=http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cologne-sex-attacks-imam-claims-women-wearing-perfume-provoked-360-assaults-by-north-africans-1539509]victim blaming[/url] as justification for this behavior then clearly they do not define rape as we do. Plus there's [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12052901/Ehsan-Abdulaziz-Saudi-millionaire-cleared-of-raping-teenager.html]of times[/url] where [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34276049]rapists[/url] do this shit in other countries and go back to their own Muslim country where they [url=http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=3899920]whip women for being raped.[/url] Oh yeah, I'm the condescending one here for pointing this shit out.
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49590265]You can quote the Qu'ran as much as you want but the reality is that the common muslim person doesn't use it to justify the practice of rape hell most of them don't even give a shit.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49590090]What's a deciding factor is how much bullshit somebody wants to ignore and still continue to call themselves Muslims.[/QUOTE]Already covered that.
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Their definition of rape is apparently different than ours, or Islam really is that toxic. Either way, they are in our countries so they need to learn the new rules. When there needs to be [url=http://news.yahoo.com/no-means-no-norway-sends-migrants-anti-rape-212933003.html]classes to teach this[/url] and there's [url=http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cologne-sex-attacks-imam-claims-women-wearing-perfume-provoked-360-assaults-by-north-africans-1539509]victim blaming[/url] as justification for this behavior then clearly they do not define rape as we do. Plus there's [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12052901/Ehsan-Abdulaziz-Saudi-millionaire-cleared-of-raping-teenager.html]of times[/url] where [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34276049]rapists[/url] do this shit in other countries and go back to their own Muslim country where they [url=http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=3899920]whip women for being raped.[/url] Oh yeah, I'm the condescending one here for pointing this shit out.
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While I am personally an atheist, I live with a muslim family, and live in a place where around half of the population are muslims. Incidentally, I have also been to Saudi Arabia.
But I guess cherrypicked articles(many things happen everyday!) are more credible to you guys than anecdotal shit.
That's bullshit lol. Their definition of rape is the same as anyone else's. They hear news of rape they react the same way an average western person would. Sometimes in an even more intense manner.
If Saudi only whipped women for getting raped then all the women would be getting raped here and there already by men who don't have self-restraint. But they aren't. Guess why? Because SURPRISE even muslims think of rape as something bad.
You might actually want to consider that USA actually has higher rape rates than Saudi. So yes, you are being condescending. You're not even trying to hide that you look down on middle eastern people/muslims.
Regardless of how much bullshit there is in the Qu'ran you're not going to take away Islam from them. Religion isn't going anywhere. Not yet, at least. People don't follow most of the anachronistic aspects of Islam anymore, and still consider themselves muslims. It's illogical(religion doesn't make sense in the first place) but the reality is that most muslims aren't advocates of slavery, rape, jihad, and all that old shit. They're as normal as anyone else, just more conservative than most. Arguing that Islam is wrong does fuckall.
Do you want to portray Saudi as a rapist's paradise? Well, it's not. Do you want to have all muslims deported? Do you really think that muslims advocate rape and slavery? lol.
What you're trying to push will only fuel unwarranted hate for those who have actually done no bad.
I mean
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49592310][b]rapists do this shit in other countries and go back to their own Muslim country where they whip women for being raped.[/b][/QUOTE]
rapists
do this shit in [b]other countries[/b]
go back to their own [b]muslim country[/b]
where they whip women for being raped
this is just generalization, cherry picking and bigotry man
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49594152]While I am personally an atheist, I live with a muslim family, and live in a place where around half of the population are muslims. Incidentally, I have also been to Saudi Arabia.
But I guess cherrypicked articles(many things happen everyday!) are more credible to you guys than anecdotal shit.[/QUOTE]I don't know, I'd consider your experiences in Saudi Arabia to be a valuable contribution. While you might be biased for just as I might be biased against I don't exactly see why your personal experiences are somehow unacceptable for discussion.
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49594152]That's bullshit lol. Their definition of rape is the same as anyone else's. They hear news of rape they react the same way an average western person would. Sometimes in an even more intense manner.[/QUOTE]Mm, so there isn't a "rape culture" at all in Saudi Arabia or in the Middle East as a whole? That's funny, because my own personal experiences with Middle Eastern people and my Middle Eastern friends disagree with this assertion you're apparently making. While they might take it [I]a bit[/I] further than social criticism in that they say things like "gulf Arabs are fat and lazy scum" I'm pretty sure that doesn't invalidate their critique of the culture they were born into and raised by.
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49594152]If Saudi only whipped women for getting raped then all the women would be getting raped here and there already by men who don't have self-restraint. But they aren't. Guess why? Because SURPRISE even muslims think of rape as something bad.[/QUOTE]That's rich. That article was about the [B]Saudi Arabian government[/B] defending the decision to lash a woman for being raped and maybe that's why,
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49594152]You might actually want to consider that USA actually has higher rape rates than Saudi.[/QUOTE]Saudi women aren't so quick to admit they've been raped, while in the United States we don't have a habit of doling out corporal punishment to victims of sexual violence.
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49594152]You're not even trying to hide that you look down on middle eastern people/muslims.[/QUOTE]I said earlier I hate your silly fucking religion, I don't hate you. To me you're just a brainwa.. oh you're atheist. Huh. Why are you defending a stone-age religion and the bullshit laws in a theocratic nation if you're not Muslim? I don't exactly know, but hey, whatever floats your boat man.
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49594152]Regardless of how much bullshit there is in the Qu'ran you're not going to take away Islam from them. Religion isn't going anywhere.[/QUOTE]Much like your gross assumption that I'm a blind bigot you seem to be assuming a bunch of other nonsensical bullshit as well. Do you know why we're better than Saudi Arabia? We're a secular nation. Everyone has the right to practice their silly goddamn beliefs as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else and frankly I wouldn't give that up for anything. So if somebody like Donald Trump actually tried to "ban the Muslims" I'd be one of the first people going "hey you dumb motherfucker, that shit isn't constitutional!" That doesn't mean I like Islam and I still think it's a stoneage, backward belief system that's the antithesis of modern, secular societies. I won't stop being critical of Islam just because I'm forced to defend it from fascist sons of bitches from time to time.
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49594152]People don't follow most of the anachronistic aspects of Islam anymore, and still consider themselves muslims. It's illogical(religion doesn't make sense in the first place) but the reality is that most muslims aren't advocates of slavery, rape, jihad, and all that old shit. They're as normal as anyone else, just more conservative than most. Arguing that Islam is wrong does fuckall.[/QUOTE]Just because people apparently don't follow those unwanted elements (clearly they do, we have daeshbags zipping around in Syria so, you know, that statement is patently false) doesn't mean the unwanted elements are there and it doesn't mean that the inherent belief system is somehow okay. You seem to be misunderstanding a very fundamental point here: I'm critical of the religion down to it's foundation, I'm not going to neatly slice it up here and there and go "oh teehee that's the good part!" and then pretend like the swaths of hilariously bad bullshit just doesn't count.
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49594152]Do you want to portray Saudi as a rapist's paradise? Well, it's not. Do you want to have all muslims deported? Do you really think that muslims advocate rape and slavery? lol.[/QUOTE]I'll just hammer this out quick just to reiterate: Compared to here it is. No, I don't. Not all of them, no. Satisfied?
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49594152]What you're trying to push will only fuel unwarranted hate for those who have actually done no bad.[/QUOTE]"Don't criticize anything! It might make other people hate!" [B]Bullshit.[/B] That's fucking bullshit, I'm not responsible for a goddamn thing anyone else does and while sometimes I may grasp for low-hanging fruit when it comes to this I'm not pushing anything. I'm expressing my opinions. Your (former) religion is not sacred here, it has no special protections afforded to it unlike Saudi Arabia where I could be jailed and punished severely for saying these things and [U]that[/U] is the reason why the religion is garbage. All the theocracies built around it are monuments to how awful it is, just like the actions of it's most zealous followers and the silent approval "the moderates" give them.
[QUOTE=Rainboo;49594152]this is just generalization, cherry picking and bigotry man[/QUOTE]When I spend more time formatting my links to stories about how Saudi nationals commit rape in two separate countries and then go back to Saudi Arabia which has physically abused a victim of a sex crime than actually searching up those articles then maybe, just maybe, there's a fucking problem and it isn't me or my beliefs. You can level accusations of bigotry and "cherry picking" all you want against me but I'm not going to be kowtowed into backing down because some fucking guy in the Czech Republic thinks I have a problem with brown people.
On the contrary, I've pointed out in [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1502763&p=49590090&viewfull=1#post49590090]this thread[/url] about how my criticism is leveled squarely against Islam itself, and I've made it [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1501629&p=49534861&viewfull=1#post49534861]pretty clear[/url] how I'm not a fan of racist policies based on an irrational fear of Middle Easterners. I've even [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1500094&p=49459078&viewfull=1#post49459078]condemned[/url] attacks against Muslims and a bunch of other shit I can't think of off the top of my head and I don't feel like linking.
The reason why you (and others) are so deeply bothered by me is I'm not just a simple racist or a simple bigot. I have read [I]plenty[/I] of shit to convince me that Islam's a terrible religion and I've seen far, [I]far[/I] more that has done plenty to reinforce that theory. (my turn for anecdotes) If you want to make me shut up you'll have to do it with reason and a sound argument, not with cheap throwaway remarks and bleating about how terrible and ignorant I am.
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Or on the other hand we could agree to disagree and call it even right here, I don't really want to go twenty posts with you discussing the merits and dangers of the Islamic faith when the conclusion will be this: we will become further entrenched in our beliefs as our posts get shorter and shorter until we get tired and quit.
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Or on the other hand we could agree to disagree and call it even right here, I don't really want to go twenty posts with you discussing the merits and dangers of the Islamic faith when the conclusion will be this: we will become further entrenched in our beliefs as our posts get shorter and shorter until we get tired and quit.[/QUOTE]
I won't argue against your criticism of Islam, as I think that it's a religion full of hypocrisy, and I don't really advocate it. I do not think highly of sharia law either.
But the thing I'm trying to assert is that the "rape culture" you speak of does not exist. If it does, then it would just as much as any other country. Muslims they may be, but they aren't uncultured dicks who trivialize the concept of rape. What I got from your previous statement was something like "a good muslim is a bad person", although not explicitly stated. I don't believe that's the case. I believe that they have the capability to be as good and as bad as any western person can be, and their nationality and religion has little influence on that. The rapes and sexual harassment did not stem from the fact that they are muslims. People of other nationalities/religious denominations commit rape as much as they do. They DO NOT condone rape. As blindly devout they are, they have brains you know. They have standards. They're people. If you're not convinced then go to Saudi and try to rape a girl.
Criticizing Islam is a fruitless task as most of the believers were born into the religion, and thus blindly follow it, like people of other denominations(christianity etc), it only serves to make those who hate Islam hate it more and those who follow it be more defensive of it but idk I'm not gonna go try to make you stop. It's just that this isn't a good time to do so because tensions are high and anti-islamic sentiments are all around. If you contribute to that, regardless of how well-informed you are, while you may not be directly responsible for it, you end up fueling the hate of people more. Anti-islamic sentiments lead to whom? The muslims of course.
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