[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22343225]And metal poles.
The sticks and the metal poles were used against the commandos.[/QUOTE]
oh shit, sticks and poles, obviously a secret weapons manufacturing plant.
We already know that poles and chairs were used against the commandos. That isn't evidence of a secret conspiracy to defeat Israel. That's evidence that metal poles and sticks do in fact appear in construction.
No matter if the pictures were actually taken after the massacre, an Israeli military photographer has made a mistake that casts absolutely hilarious doubt on the already extremely dumb "weapon" evidence.
No matter how you try to spin this one, the IDF ends up looking completely incompetent.
I never said this was a conspiracy, but the sticks and metal poles were improvised weapons used against the commandos.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22343249]Still, some of them were taken in 2010 and this you can't disprove.[/QUOTE]
The images you've posted are of simple mundane items. One could easily make the argument they mixed the earlier images in with the newer images to make the activists appear more threatening.
I wouldn't because that's completely fucking ridiculous. If they were going to manufacture evidence, you'd think they'd use something more threatening. But then, one supposes that you could say the only person dumb enough to do that is someone dumb enough to not check their camera before a high profile military operation.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22343249]Still, some of them were taken in 2010 and this you can't disprove.[/QUOTE]
We aren't trying to disprove that either. We're just pointing out a mistake IDF made.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22343278]I never said this was a conspiracy, but the sticks and metal poles were improvised weapons used against the commandos.[/QUOTE]
Improvised being the important part. A shoe can be an improvised weapon.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22343289]Improvised being the important part. A shoe can be an improvised weapon.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://**********************************/images/4/44/Bush_shoe_original.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22343202]There are still some pictures with a date of 2010,06,01
For example this: [URL]http://www.flickr.com/photos/israel-mfa/4658972801/meta/[/URL]
Note that this was with a Sony DSC-T10 camera.[/QUOTE]
Shit they had aluminium rods!! this changes [B]everything!![/B]
Actually, as much as I hate to admit it, it's quite possible the camera that took the photos just had the wrong date/time. When the photograph was uploaded to a computer, and shrunk so that it would fit on most screens when uploaded, the computer, if it had an internet connection, would show the correct date. So that's why it shows 2010 for date modified.
It is possible to calculate the angle of the sun from this picture, assuming it was taken on level ground
[url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/israel-mfa/4662343805/meta/in/photostream[/url]
Knowing the angle of the sun, the time the picture was taken (the timestamps are unanimous, 5:20 AM) and the location, you can then calculate the month when the picture was taken.
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If the calculated month agrees with either of the provided dates - there's a difference of 3 months - I think it should be obvious that the date is correct.
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And thus math can be used to save the day
[QUOTE=Splurgy;22343140]To be fair, I'm more inclined to think that someone didn't set the clock than it's an Israeli conspiracy[/QUOTE]
Same here, I mean Israel have been pretty open with this event going on. They reported the first death counts, damages, attack by the crowd etcetera... None of them were fake.
Also regarding photoshop; it was probably just to resize the image.
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I have made that error a lot of time, with the clock in the camera that is.
They kinda failed there, but seriously.. Slingshots? Yeah that's totally gonna work against fully automatic weapons.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;22344827]Same here, I mean Israel have been pretty open with this event going on. They reported the first death counts, damages, attack by the crowd etcetera... None of them were fake.
Also regarding photoshop; it was probably just to resize the image.
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I have made that error a lot of time, with the clock in the camera that is.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they've been totally open.
I mean they haven't released full footage of the incident, and have released a lot of people but have detained a few journalists a bit longer than everyone else, but yeah totally open.
:downs:
[QUOTE=Seppe;22344925]They kinda failed there, but seriously.. Slingshots? Yeah that's totally gonna work against fully automatic weapons.[/QUOTE]
Slingshots can be almost deadly with sharp rocks etc. How did David kill Goliath?
[QUOTE=bravehat;22344941]Yeah, they've been totally open.
I mean they haven't released full footage of the incident, and have released a lot of people but have detained a few journalists a bit longer than everyone else, but yeah totally open.
:downs:[/QUOTE]
Did you miss the word [b]pretty[/b]?
How would it look like if this happened in North Korea? Stop behaving like a damn asshole. Just because you don't like Israel doesn't mean you can make up stuff to hate them even more.
If they have wanted to fake the images they could have done it much better and not taken pictures of damn knifes and rods.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;22344992]Did you miss the word [B]pretty[/B]?
How would it look like if this happened in North Korea? Stop behaving like a damn asshole. Just because you don't like Israel doesn't mean you can make up stuff to hate them even more.
If they have wanted to fake the images they could have done it much better and not taken pictures of damn knifes and rods.[/QUOTE]
I didn't make anything up, they haven't released the full footage from all sources, and they are holding journalists.
[QUOTE=bravehat;22345083]I didn't make anything up, they haven't released the full footage from all sources, and they are holding journalists.[/QUOTE]
And all the recording equipment from the ship has been seized and destroyed.
[QUOTE=archangel125;22343678]Actually, as much as I hate to admit it, it's quite possible the camera that took the photos just had the wrong date/time. When the photograph was uploaded to a computer, and shrunk so that it would fit on most screens when uploaded, the computer, if it had an internet connection, would show the correct date. So that's why it shows 2010 for date modified.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I would like to see Israel busted but this is more likely. I know a ton of people that don't set their clock.
However, you should ALWAYS set it, it's really important for credibility.
It's been seized, we don't know about destroyed so let's not jump the gun.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22344977]Slingshots can be almost deadly with sharp rocks etc. How did David kill Goliath?[/QUOTE]
So can a sharp stick bro.
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[QUOTE=bravehat;22345134]It's been seized, we don't know about destroyed so let's not jump the gun.[/QUOTE]
The people on the boat say their recording equipment was destroyed and their cell phones thrown overboard. I don't think multiple people in positions of power are going to lie about something as easily disproven as that.
[QUOTE=bravehat;22345083]I didn't make anything up, they haven't released the full footage from all sources, and they are holding journalists.[/QUOTE]
You should be aware that I am talking about the photos that are supposed to be taken in 2006. Just read the first page...
2 posts that critically judge the OP, rest that bandwagon the shit out of it.
Fucking lame.
How many of you own a NIKON camera? And if you do, I'm sure you are aware of the date problem.
To Scorpio:
Ah right I hadn't heard about that.
Any source just to back it up and to be sure?
Swebonny I'm adressing the fact you accused me of falsifying information :v:
I'm not defending Israel, just saying that you should take it easy on making conclusions.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;22345180]You should be aware that I am talking about the photos that are supposed to be taken in 2006. Just read the first page...
2 posts that critically judge the OP, rest that bandwagon the shit out of it.
Fucking lame.
How many of you own a NIKON camera? And if you do, I'm sure you are aware of the date problem.[/QUOTE]
I think at this point we've all come to agreement that what happened is most likely no more than a stupid mistake.
[QUOTE=bravehat;22345134]It's been seized, we don't know about destroyed so let's not jump the gun.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/06/20106193546785656.html"]
Source
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[quote=Issam Zaatar, Al Jazeera cameraman]I was filming, and then he [an Israeli solider] ran after me with a stun gun.
He could not catch me. One of his colleagues hit my hand from behind with a stun gun. My camera fell down.[B] He ran to crush the camera with his feet.[/B]
I told him, don't break my camera. If you want the tapes, I will give them to you. I told him these are media equipment. They had no limits.
They used rubber bullets. They used tear gas bombs. It was an unbelievable scene.
[/quote]
[QUOTE=bravehat;22345185]
Swebonny I'm adressing the fact you accused me of falsifying information :v:[/QUOTE]
Oh I'm sorry, but I was meaning "you", as in "you" (...). I should have made a new line.
About "making up stuff", I mean the 2006 thing and the Photoshop claim. No one knows if it was taken in 2006 or 2010 or it was photoshopped to add stuff or to resize stuff. But here many just assumes answers.
Then I shouldn't be going around trying to change others opinions. So I apologize if I seemed to aggressive.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22344977]Slingshots can be almost deadly with sharp rocks etc. How did David kill Goliath?[/QUOTE]
Are you seriously taking David and Goliath as a true story?
As funny as this is, the camera batteries excuse makes sense. If the camera battery excuse is true, it's hardly incriminating - merely incompetent.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;22345209]I'm not defending Israel, just saying that you should take it easy on making conclusions.[/QUOTE]
It's not an accusation, they HAVE detained journos and they haven't released unedited footage.
I'll try and find the sources if you like.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22345354]Are you seriously taking David and Goliath as a true story?[/QUOTE]
No, just an example everyone knows about.
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