• [Canada] NDP Trail Conservatives by 3%, a new poll finds
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I believe in a mix between private and public, one for the wealthy/insured, one for the poor who need it. This way people don't clog up a single system waiting for an eternity, people who can afford faster (and possibly better) service can acquire it and ensure both systems are moderately filled, rather than a single, overfilled system.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;29474252]Because I hate them the least, I could very well ask you the same about whatever party you want to vote. People have different priorities and opinions, and mine is that the Conservatives would do the least bad job at parliament. Not that they'd do the best, nobody running right now would do the best, but that the Conservatives would do the least worst.[/QUOTE] If you're some upper-middle class kid, your future is assured and you're financially secure. Unfortunately, that's not the case for all of us. And Harper's going to ruin social security and health care.
[QUOTE=The golden;29474354]Then say hello to use-based Internet billing.[/QUOTE] ALL parties oppose that. This was confirmed by the candidates in my school's riding at an all-candidates meeting at my school, all three candidates for major parties opposed UBB. Damn breaking my automerge. Also, you're correct, I am an upper-middle class kid, and I'm also from a military family. However, if there were different leaders, I would not be opposed to voting for a different party. The Grits may have my vote next election if Gerard Kennedy is running, but if Bob Rae is, they'll probably lose all of Ontario.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;29474428]ALL parties oppose that. This was confirmed by the candidates in my school's riding at an all-candidates meeting at my school, all three candidates for major parties opposed UBB. Damn breaking my automerge. Also, you're correct, I am an upper-middle class kid, and I'm also from a military family. However, if there were different leaders, I would not be opposed to voting for a different party. The Grits may have my vote next election if Gerard Kennedy is running, but if Bob Rae is, they'll probably lose all of Ontario.[/QUOTE] How is NDP any worse than Conservative and what makes Conservative the least worst?
That comes mostly from the military family thing, gun politics and the military have a bigger sway than some other things on my priorities list, and the NDP aren't in my alignment on either issue. That, and nothing I've heard about the times the NDP were allowed to govern in Ontario were good, and I saw how bad the self-declared NDP former mayor of Toronto was, he was so bad people did a complete 180 on policies and voted in a Conservative mayor, who has, while pissing some people off, repealed a useless extra $55 vehicle licensing fee for just living in Toronto, made the Public transit a mandatory service, meaning they can't strike and ruin transport across the city for some dumb reason about carrying over vacation days, and he plans to repeal an extra land transfer tax that exists only in Toronto. Because all three parties are "on my side" for the internet, that sort-of takes a backseat. It's also just my opinion, I don't like the fantasies I've heard spouted from the NDP, they sound far too expensive to be affordable, and I mostly just don't like Iggy, Grits yell at Harper for Americanization, yet the have an American leading their party.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;29474678]That comes mostly from the military family thing, gun politics and the military have a bigger sway than some other things on my priorities list, and the NDP aren't in my alignment on either issue. That, and nothing I've heard about the times the NDP were allowed to govern in Ontario were good, and I saw how bad the self-declared NDP former mayor of Toronto was, he was so bad people did a complete 180 on policies and voted in a Conservative mayor, who has, while pissing some people off, repealed a useless extra $55 vehicle licensing fee for just living in Toronto, made the Public transit a mandatory service, meaning they can't strike and ruin transport across the city for some dumb reason about carrying over vacation days, and he plans to repeal an extra land transfer tax that exists only in Toronto. Because all three parties are "on my side" for the internet, that sort-of takes a backseat. It's also just my opinion, I don't like the fantasies I've heard spouted from the NDP, they sound far too expensive to be affordable, and I mostly just don't like Iggy, Grits yell at Harper for Americanization, yet the have an American leading their party.[/QUOTE] So I suppose you're alright with re-opening discussions about gay marriage and abortion? I suppose you'd also enjoy scaling back federally subsidized healthcare in Canada?
My God, you people never listen to your opposition, do you? The shit about Gay Marriage was DROPPED AGES AGO. As well, on this little platform summary I got in politics my teacher got off the Globe and Mail, nowhere in it does it mention scaling-back subsidized healthcare in their platform. It doesn't mention anything about Gay Marriage or abortion rights in it either, but if I'm not mistaken, Harper made a statement earlier to at least one of the major Canadian papers that Gay Marriage and Abortion are not things he'd like to make issues about reversing, even if he did get a majority.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;29475024]My God, you people never listen, do you? The shit about Gay Marriage was DROPPED AGES AGO. As well, on this little platform summary I got in politics my teacher got off the Globe and Mail, nowhere in it does it mention scaling-back subsidized healthcare in their platform. It doesn't mention anything about Gay Marriage or abortion rights in it either, but if I'm not mistaken, Harper made a statement earlier to at least one of the major Canadian papers that Gay Marriage and Abortion are not things he'd like to make issues about reversing, even if he did get a majority.[/QUOTE] I've not heard of this, but if you can find the article or reference of Harper saying this, I'd be willing to accept that.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;29475024]My God, you people never listen to your opposition, do you? The shit about Gay Marriage was DROPPED AGES AGO. As well, on this little platform summary I got in politics my teacher got off the Globe and Mail, nowhere in it does it mention scaling-back subsidized healthcare in their platform. It doesn't mention anything about Gay Marriage or abortion rights in it either, but if I'm not mistaken, Harper made a statement earlier to at least one of the major Canadian papers that Gay Marriage and Abortion are not things he'd like to make issues about reversing, even if he did get a majority.[/QUOTE] Well do we trust election-mode Harper or candid Harper from before? [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;29474406]I believe in a mix between private and public, one for the wealthy/insured, one for the poor who need it. This way people don't clog up a single system waiting for an eternity, people who can afford faster (and possibly better) service can acquire it and ensure both systems are moderately filled, rather than a single, overfilled system.[/QUOTE] A split system will ensure better healthcare for the rich and that is utterly unacceptable.
[url]http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20061207/samesexmarriage_vote_061207/[/url] From 2006, "We made a promise to have a free vote on this issue, we kept that promise, and obviously the vote was decisive and obviously we'll accept the democratic result of the people's representatives," said Harper. "I don't see reopening this question in the future." [url]http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110404/harper-ontario-riding-110404/[/url] From 2011, "On the other matters you mention (abortion and gay marriage), they are not in the Conservative platform. I have no intention of opening up those issues."
Let me ask all of you who are voting for the NDP a question: Where do you think that the NDP will get the money to pay for all these social policies, including this magical money to pay for everyone's education? Yes, that's right, right out of our pockets in taxes. You want a tax hike? Vote NDP, then.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29475111]Well do we trust election-mode Harper or candid Harper from before? [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] A split system will ensure better healthcare for the rich and that is utterly unacceptable.[/QUOTE] If the quality split is between very good for the poor and excellent for the rich, as long as it allows more poor people access to the healthcare they both need and deserve, I'd support a split system to ensure that waiting times for lifesaving surgeries for all classes of people are lower and the less privileged get faster and easier access to needed healthcare. A split between two high levels of healthcare isn't going to make a huge difference, IMO. If the quality split is between good and excellent, that's much more opposable, and is quite unfair, and if it's between moderate (or less) and anything better, that's completely unacceptable.
[QUOTE=Bllasae;29475321]Let me ask all of you who are voting for the NDP a question: Where do you think that the NDP will get the money to pay for all these social policies, including this magical money to pay for everyone's education? Yes, that's right, right out of our pockets in taxes. You want a tax hike? Vote NDP, then.[/QUOTE] Yeah they are raising taxes, on corporations. Not the middle class.
[QUOTE=Bllasae;29475321]Let me ask all of you who are voting for the NDP a question: Where do you think that the NDP will get the money to pay for all these social policies, including this magical money to pay for everyone's education? Yes, that's right, right out of our pockets in taxes. You want a tax hike? Vote NDP, then.[/QUOTE] Where do you think the conservatives got the money to go to war and help the rich get richer? Right out of the surplus the liberals beforehand gave them. Oh and if a tax hike is necessary to prevent the Americanization of our health and justice systems then they can go right ahead
[QUOTE=Bllasae;29475321]Let me ask all of you who are voting for the NDP a question: Where do you think that the NDP will get the money to pay for all these social policies, including this magical money to pay for everyone's education?[/QUOTE] Simple answer. Raising corporate taxes, and possible tax hikes for canadian citizens in the higher income brackets. Maybe some tax hikes for Canadians in general, but it doesn't matter. Why don't we care? Because it'll all be worth greater social security. Harper would take money OUT of healthcare and education to fund his 'promises', most of which involve massive corporate bailouts and tax cuts, and I'd rather not see that. Fuck him.
[QUOTE=Bllasae;29475321]Let me ask all of you who are voting for the NDP a question: Where do you think that the NDP will get the money to pay for all these social policies, including this magical money to pay for everyone's education? Yes, that's right, right out of our pockets in taxes. You want a tax hike? Vote NDP, then.[/QUOTE] You do realize taxes are a needed thing? Taxes aren't the end of the world.
[QUOTE=Bllasae;29475321]Let me ask all of you who are voting for the NDP a question: Where do you think that the NDP will get the money to pay for all these social policies, including this magical money to pay for everyone's education? Yes, that's right, right out of our pockets in taxes. You want a tax hike? Vote NDP, then.[/QUOTE] I would gladly do so.
I'm afraid I'm in the same boat as Stupideye, different Southeast Manitoba riding. A lot of people my age are going to vote NDP (not sure about my self yet), but many people are voting Conservative with out really thinking about it. Someone I know voted conservative, but I didn't feel they really had any clue. Really frustrating, but I think that is where Conservatives get most of their votes, ignorance and brainwashing. (Though I admit, I was think Tories this election for the first bit considering how stagnant our government has been for so long. Even though a Tory majority would make bad changes, at least there would BE changes. Changed my mind thankfully.)
[QUOTE=Smeetin;29477034]I'm afraid I'm in the same boat as Stupideye, different Southeast Manitoba riding. A lot of people my age are going to vote NDP (not sure about my self yet), but many people are voting Conservative with out really thinking about it. Someone I know voted conservative, but I didn't feel they really had any clue. Really frustrating, but I think that is where Conservatives get most of their votes, ignorance and brainwashing. (Though I admit, I was think Tories this election for the first bit considering how stagnant our government has been for so long. Even though a Tory majority would make bad changes, at least there would BE changes. Changed my mind thankfully.)[/QUOTE] I've been saying this for ages, we need to do a FP meetup some time in Winnipeg. There's quite a few Manitobans on FP surprisingly (I've met a fellow FP'er irl too actually). And yeah, I've told all my friends to vote and most are going for NDP even if they don't really have a chance here in the first place.
[QUOTE=Smeetin;29477034]I'm afraid I'm in the same boat as Stupideye, different Southeast Manitoba riding. A lot of people my age are going to vote NDP (not sure about my self yet), but many people are voting Conservative with out really thinking about it. Someone I know voted conservative, but I didn't feel they really had any clue. Really frustrating, but I think that is where Conservatives get most of their votes, ignorance and brainwashing. (Though I admit, I was think Tories this election for the first bit considering how stagnant our government has been for so long. Even though a Tory majority would make bad changes, at least there would BE changes. Changed my mind thankfully.)[/QUOTE] There's a lot of reasons not to vote Conservative. No changes are better than awful changes. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Stupideye;29477135]And yeah, I've told all my friends to vote and most are going for NDP even if they don't really have a chance here in the first place.[/QUOTE] Always good to vote for what you believe in, even if they won't win.
[img]http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?&cht=bhs&chco=f4a460|f08080|6495ed|9acd32|ffcc00&chbh=20&chds=0,49779&chd=t:27655,13163,11995,5953,565&chs=450x125&chm=t++(27655)+NDP,000000,0,0,14|t++(13163)+Liberal,000000,0,1,14|t++(11995)+Conservative,000000,0,2,14|t++(5953)+Green,000000,0,3,14|t++(565)+Other,000000,0,4,14[/img] Wooo viva la victoria
[QUOTE=Lizard Of Guilt;29477510][img_thumb]http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?&cht=bhs&chco=f4a460|f08080|6495ed|9acd32|ffcc00&chbh=20&chds=0,49779&chd=t:27655,13163,11995,5953,565&chs=450x125&chm=t++(27655)+NDP,000000,0,0,14|t++(13163)+Liberal,000000,0,1,14|t++(11995)+Conservative,000000,0,2,14|t++(5953)+Green,000000,0,3,14|t++(565)+Other,000000,0,4,14[/img_thumb] Wooo viva la victoria[/QUOTE] Marvelous, the NDP leads another riding.
[QUOTE=Stupideye;29477135]I've been saying this for ages, we need to do a FP meetup some time in Winnipeg. There's quite a few Manitobans on FP surprisingly (I've met a fellow FP'er irl too actually). And yeah, I've told all my friends to vote and most are going for NDP even if they don't really have a chance here in the first place.[/QUOTE] How about all you Winnipeggers drive up to The Pas so I only have to go an hour out of my way :v: We'll hit up the shitty casino or maybe sit around in the extra foods parking lot drinking beers it'll be a super trip
If NDP wins this Canada might actually ease on the stupid marijuana laws and stop grinding its dick on the ass cheeks of the Americans. My dream.
NDP winning would be so fucking amazing.
[QUOTE=Mister Cool;29477841]If NDP wins this Canada might actually ease on the stupid marijuana laws and stop grinding its dick on the ass cheeks of the Americans. My dream.[/QUOTE] There's already a time limit on that marijuana thing anyway. The next few days should be without worry since most politicians will be concerning themselves with the elections. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Cl0cK;29477867]NDP winning would be so fucking amazing.[/QUOTE] But of course.
[QUOTE=The golden;29478088]Yes. I think it's about time we peel Harper's lips off of the American's ass-cheeks.[/QUOTE] And introduce them to the Canadian people's boot.
[img]http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?&cht=bhs&chco=6495ed|f08080|f4a460|9acd32|ffcc00&chbh=20&chds=0,75099.6&chd=t:41722,13041,9567,6919,311&chs=450x125&chm=t++(41722)+Conservative,000000,0,0,14|t++(13041)+Liberal,000000,0,1,14|t++(9567)+NDP,000000,0,2,14|t++(6919)+Green,000000,0,3,14|t++(311)+Other,000000,0,4,14[/img] Fucking Conservatives.
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;29478220][img_thumb]http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?&cht=bhs&chco=6495ed|f08080|f4a460|9acd32|ffcc00&chbh=20&chds=0,75099.6&chd=t:41722,13041,9567,6919,311&chs=450x125&chm=t++(41722)+Conservative,000000,0,0,14|t++(13041)+Liberal,000000,0,1,14|t++(9567)+NDP,000000,0,2,14|t++(6919)+Green,000000,0,3,14|t++(311)+Other,000000,0,4,14[/img_thumb] Fucking Conservatives.[/QUOTE] Where is that?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;29478328]Where is that?[/QUOTE] Nepean-Carleton. Or as I call it, Pierretown. [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fH8pHCeDnn0/S1SzRQ2ZrrI/AAAAAAAAEDI/zdwxCHP1Ri8/s400/Picture+15.png[/img] Also, interesting to note how all the attack ads I see now are targeted at the NDP.
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