Why Highly Intelligent People Fail At The Most Important Things In Life
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[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;36370660]This paragraph is where I stopped reading, because none of that is true.[/QUOTE]
Because you know the facts to prove it wrong, or it just doesn't match your personal experiences?
[QUOTE]Suggested reading: “The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life” by Herrnstein, Richard J. and Charles Murray (1994)[/QUOTE]
Racist pseudoscience? In my Sensationalist Headlines? Jesus jackbootin' Christ on a cupcake, this article is awful.
Just so you guys know this is the guy who thinks [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/17/satoshi-kanazawa-black-women-less-attractive_n_863327.html"]black women are objectively ugly[/URL], [URL="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1348/135910705X69842/abstract;jsessionid=8C9A8A04212D6C7D704C061DF41AED8F.d03t03"]lack of intelligence is the cause of poverty level[/URL] (not the opposite as is demonstrably true), and [URL="http://www2.lse.ac.uk/researchAndExpertise/Experts/s.kanazawa@lse.ac.uk"]that teaches management courses yet thinks he's a psychologist.[/URL]
Everything he says is invalid because he operates under models of the brain which are proven to be false- that we're adapted for an "ancient environment" when in reality the human brain adapted to adapt, and undergoes changes in mere generations. He is one of the reasons people often dismiss evopsych out of hand, because it is, as used by people like himself, [URL="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/addiction-in-society/201012/is-evolutionary-psychology-total-utter-and-dangerous-bullshit"]complete and utter bullshit.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Van-man;36370112]Autistic people.
Socially retarded, but there's often a few things they're brilliant at.
Especially savants[/QUOTE]
While "retarded" sounds harsh, yet I have to agree. I suck at social skills, even though people tend to like me and want to hang out with me. In terms of brilliance... well, I don't know a thing I'm brilliant at, but maybe it's just something totally normal to me.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;36369983]I don't know bout you guys but there are plenty of people who manage to balance a decent social life and still manage good grades in school / manage decent competency in what they do and I'd consider those kinds of people fairly smart over people who can only do one thing or another (unless they [i]really[/i] specialize in something)
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To illustrate:
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I don't understand. Most celebrities are actors and actresses, and I would consider acting a skill.
[quote]Intelligent people are more likely to be nocturnal because humans are designed to wake up when the sun comes up and go to sleep when the sun goes down. They are more likely to be homosexual, because humans are evolutionarily designed to reproduce heterosexually.[/quote]
Yay, I'm intelligent!
The logic just seems weird to me. He's saying that the only thing intelligent people do are things they aren't evolutionarily designed to do. "Why do intelligent people drink and smoke? Because they aren't supposed to lol."
That's just dumb.
Lol here comes the facepunchers who think their super geniuses and have a 180 IQ at 16
Also, all I'm pulling away from this articles are that all intelligent people are hipsters.
This article is load of bullshit and the guy is an idiot who's most probably trying to make himself feel better about his failed IQ tests.
Sticking metal hammer heads into my colon and being unable to retrieve them would also be evolutionarily novel, but no way a trait which would be associable with intelligent people.
Yes several of his exampels correlate. Good job mister. Green apples are edible, green cucumbers are edible, green melons are red inside and edible. Thus everything green is edible. Excuse me while I munch upon this car.
If intelligent people are anything, it's volatile. They are perhaps possibly going to try and fail, but also try and succeed, and as long as they manage to recover, they can still be better off even in the first place.
What I would say, though, is, that intelligence clearly doesn't warrant happiness.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;36370888]I don't understand. Most celebrities are actors and actresses, and I would consider acting a skill.[/QUOTE]
Plenty of celebrities come in the spotlight just because they had the right connections so I was thinking more that than something like George Clooney
just an opinion
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;36371069]This article is load of bullshit and the guy is an idiot who's most probably trying to make himself feel better about his failed IQ tests.[/QUOTE]
That and the fact that [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-barry-kaufman/satoshi-kanazawa-does-not_b_863359.html"]other evolutionary psychologists are embarrassed by him.[/URL]
I mean, there's a fucking evopsych article written on the guy called "Kanazawa's bad science does not represent evolutionary psychology". Google it, it's about the hilarious racial stuff. Also, 68 people with actual doctorates call him a moron.
Or read [URL="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Satoshi_Kanazawa"]this[/URL] for a list of other fun stuff, including his ban from actual academic journals for being a nutbag.
"Mommy, Mommy, I found an article on the Internet-Box that explains how weird I am!"
So from what I understand, this guy is saying that intelligent people are intelligent because they do stuff they aren't supposed to do? That doesn't sound right.
[quote]They are more likely to be homosexual, because humans are evolutionarily designed to reproduce heterosexually.[/quote]
How the fuck does someone being more intelligent make him more likely to be gay, being gay is genetic, being knowledgeable isn't. Maybe if he explained these points instead of just throwing them out.
I call bullshit, it seriously just sounds like this guy is taking a shit on intelligent people, probably because it seems he's hated by the scientific community.
Imo an intelligent person should be able to make use of his intelligence to find a mate. Many intelligent people spent most of their time being intelligent, so there's no time to socialize. I think is is the biggest problem intelligent people face.
Plus, women are more likely to look for a man that can provide. So a nerd. Because nerds are thoughtful and they generally make more money.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;36371992]So from what I understand, this guy is saying that intelligent people are intelligent because they do stuff they aren't supposed to do? That doesn't sound right.
How the fuck does someone being more intelligent make him more likely to be gay, being gay is genetic, being knowledgeable isn't. Maybe if he explained these points instead of just throwing them out.
I call bullshit, it seriously just sounds like this guy is taking a shit on intelligent people, probably because it seems he's hated by the scientific community.[/QUOTE]
I just think it's stupid that he tries to make intellectuals vs non intellectuals out to be a black and white thing. Plus, holy shit, no, How does he possibly convince himself that intelligent people are more likely to abuse substances. Intelligent people would think about the consequences and make a (wait for it) intelligent decision. Morons abuse the substance for temporary satisfaction, just like morons have random sex for the temporary satisfaction, while intelligent people, according to his article at least, prefer sexual exclusivity.
It's such a bad article that it's almost worth publishing just for the laughs.
[quote]This article is load of bullshit and the guy is an idiot who's most probably trying to make himself feel better about his failed IQ tests.[/quote]
lmao the article may be bullshit but IQ tests are a terrible measure of intelligence
[QUOTE=Lazor;36372194]lmao the article may be bullshit but IQ tests are a terrible measure of intelligence[/QUOTE]
I never implied otherwise. Just looking for explanation why this retard is saying what he's saying.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;36370888]I don't understand. Most celebrities are actors and actresses, and I would consider acting a skill.[/QUOTE]
I assumed it meant those 'famous for being famous' types, the kind who just spend daddy's money because they can't sing or act worth shit, and have no skills in anything.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;36370888]I don't understand. Most celebrities are actors and actresses, and I would consider acting a skill.[/QUOTE]
Oh, they have to memorize words. So much talent required.
[QUOTE=aydin690;36373166]Oh, they have to memorize words. So much talent required.[/QUOTE]
Because acting is only remembering words. Not like you have to emote or anything (unless you're Kristen Stewart).
He's really only pointing out the obvious: To thrive financially in today's world you need certain skills that humans didn't need before in human history. In that sense, the world has changed.
However, you still need some of the old school social skills for other aspects of life. In that sense, the world has not changed.
If you spend all your time developing the new skills and neglect the old ones, you'll wind up with a dissatisfying life.
I think the person who wrote the article got called a retard and got intensely buttanihilated about it.
I remember this guy was on Colbert Report:
[url]http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/411212/march-27-2012/charles-murray[/url]
he didn't seem racist, but I never actually read anything of his
this guy doesn't understand the evolutionary purpose of intelligence
[quote]Why would being a good problem solver mean you were less good at the ordinary more instinctive behaviour?
General intelligence evolved to solve evolutionarily novel problems, so intelligent people are more likely to acquire and espouse evolutionarily novel preferences and values. They are more likely to recognise and develop tastes for things that our ancestors did not have 100,000 years ago. For example, more intelligent people are more likely to be left-wing liberals because our ancestors were “conservative” by the contemporary American definition—they only cared about the well-being of their friends and family. They are more likely to be atheist because the preferred theory in evolutionary psychology is that humans are designed to believe in God.
Really?
Humans appear to be designed to be paranoid; they are designed to see intentional agents behind natural phenomena. This is because making the mistake of thinking that a natural event has an intentional agent behind it is less potentially costly than being oblivious and thinking that an intentional event, like someone trying to kill you, has a coincidental cause. The paranoid outlive the oblivious. Belief in God may be a consequence of this tendency. Intelligent people are more likely to be nocturnal because humans are designed to wake up when the sun comes up and go to sleep when the sun goes down. They are more likely to be homosexual, because humans are evolutionarily designed to reproduce heterosexually. They are more likely to enjoy instrumental music because music in its evolutionary origin was vocal, and they are more likely to consume alcohol, cigarettes and drugs because all of these substances are evolutionarily novel. [/quote]
all of this is completely and utterly wrong
[editline]17th June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lazor;36372194]lmao the article may be bullshit but IQ tests are a terrible measure of intelligence[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997whygmatters.pdf]but they do correlate very strongly with life success[/url]
it's a myth that IQ tests don't measure anything
He is saying humans are designed to believe in god... That has to be the most stupid thing i have ever heard. Ever seen a secluded jungle tribe believe in god? I may not be an expert, but I don't think this guy even realizes the massive stupidity of this article. He says that people are smart if they do things they are not supposed to, if you think our brains are made to do only ancient stuff, yet, not only intelligent people drive cars, or use metal objects in general. This guy, and anyone who believes in what he writes is a moron.
[QUOTE=fantafuzz;36373792]He is saying humans are designed to believe in god... That has to be the most stupid thing i have ever heard. Ever seen a secluded jungle tribe believe in god?[/QUOTE]
yes.
[url=http://humanuniversals.com/human-universals/]believing in the supernatural or religion is a human universal[/url]
the rest of what he says is a load of rubbish though, non sequiters and populist pandering all over the place
I don't understand the part where he states intelligence increases likelihood for drug use, homosexuality, etc. Why would something that developed to solve novel problems for some reason cause peoples habits to polarize from the norm? I don't quite see a connection.
[QUOTE=Ryder1337;36373920]I don't understand the part where he states intelligence increases likelihood for drug use, homosexuality, etc. Why would something that developed to solve novel problems for some reason cause peoples habits to polarize from the norm? I don't quite see a connection.[/QUOTE]
There's none, the guy's a low proven lunatic.
The whole field of science he's working within is considered bullshit by many other scientists, and EVEN HIS FELLOW EVOPSYCH PEERS ARE TRYING TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM HIM.
He's like that one Jehova's witness so fucking batshit that even the other Jehova's witnesses disregard him.
I believe that being unsuccessful ins't necessarily related to being too smart, or not smart enough.
Well, it might be one of the things that influences the outcome, but at the end it's all a matter of randomness.
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