Neogaf's SJWs defeated: Lucky Chloe is coming to Tekken 7 in North America - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46856625]I now remembered the name. Look up Elliot Rodger, he was the type of person who took this whole Alpha Male thing very seriously. He also had a shitty opinion towards women [img]http://i.imgur.com/myJq0lJ.png[/img] Here's his manifesto too [url]http://abclocal.go.com/three/kabc/kabc/My-Twisted-World.pdf[/url] just Ctrl+F "Alpha"[/QUOTE] So an insane Narcissist who believed he only had good traits and girls were the one in the wrong considered the terms Alpha and Beta important. For one thing he's actually a beta for failing to get any girls despite talking a big game about himself, and second he's literally insane, he murdered several people. I'm extremely sure he doesn't represent anyone who uses the terms.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46856625]I now remembered the name. Look up Elliot Rodger, he was the type of person who took this whole Alpha Male thing very seriously. He also had a shitty opinion towards women [img]http://i.imgur.com/myJq0lJ.png[/img] Here's his manifesto too [url]http://abclocal.go.com/three/kabc/kabc/My-Twisted-World.pdf[/url] just Ctrl+F "Alpha"[/QUOTE] this was also the guy who was mad that he couldnt fuck his mother, im pretty sure that points he many more problems than masculinity.

I'd love if chloe is going to be Tekken's Bridget, and the burly military character is a really masculine women.

[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;46856672]So an insane Narcissist who believed he only had good traits and girls were the one in the wrong considered the terms Alpha and Beta important. For one thing he's actually a beta for failing to get any girls despite talking a big game about himself, and second he's literally insane, he murdered several people. I'm extremely sure he doesn't represent anyone who uses the terms.[/QUOTE] More importantly, those terms aren't locked to his actions and acting like even mentioning them will create another elliot rodgers type situation is ludicrious. People are crazy, and they have plenty of chances to be crazy and radicalize whatever they like or don't like

[QUOTE=codemaster85;46856675]this was also the guy who was mad that he couldnt fuck his mother, im pretty sure that points he many more problems than masculinity.[/QUOTE] His manifesto was pretty fucking clear on the fact that he felt he was owed sex. One trait of masculinity in the modern sense is that you need to be on the pull 24/7, getting all the sex you possibly can. Not getting that sex makes you some beta nonce who probably touches kids or whatever. The ideas of femininity and masculinity bring very little to our society, and can have negative impacts such as Elliot Rodgers, who while clearly mentally unstable, had these ideas to latch on to as a justification for his actions. He was a [B]man[/B], women should be bowing down and sucking his dick fuck dammit! He was better than those other men! Why wouldn't those sluts just have sex with him! Though I'm still not entirely sure what the fuss about this character is, she looks like an insufferable weeb, sure, but fighting game characters are rarely actually serious. They're all fucking wacky on purpose.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;46856186]If thinking video games shouldn't be sensored is a right wing view then I'm going to vote Conservative...[/QUOTE] I said nothing about censorship in all my posts. All my posts involved me targeting people who use "Alpha/Beta" seriously [QUOTE=codemaster85;46856675]this was also the guy who was mad that he couldnt fuck his mother, im pretty sure that points he many more problems than masculinity.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't that be considered an Oedipus Complex which is actually relevant to superiority.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46856684]More importantly, those terms aren't locked to his actions and acting like even mentioning them will create another elliot rodgers type situation is ludicrious. People are crazy, and they have plenty of chances to be crazy and radicalize whatever they like or don't like[/QUOTE] The point is this toxic and pervasive culture of "alpha" and "beta" in places like reddit and 4chan exacerbated his narcissism. This is not to say we should be censoring shit or "removing all traces" as you say, merely making efforts to try to minimize this harmful line of thinking that can push insecure and mentally ill people towards violence.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46856725]I said nothing about censorship in all my posts. All my posts involved me targeting people who use "Alpha/Beta" seriously Wouldn't that be considered an Oedipus Complex which is actually relevant to superiority.[/QUOTE] Fucking [B]nobody[/B] used Alpha/Beta in the thread seriously, fuck's sake. Even Korova just used it as a throwaway insult. What's next, people who call others retarded sincerely believe that they are developmentally challenged? [editline]4th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;46856734]The point is this toxic and pervasive culture of "alpha" and "beta" in places like reddit and 4chan exacerbated his narcissism. This is not to say we should be censoring shit or "removing all traces" as you say, merely making efforts to try to minimize this harmful line of thinking that can push insecure and mentally ill people towards violence.[/QUOTE] Places like Reddit and 4chan are outliers in the grand scheme of things, and people who subscribe to such ways of thinking would invariably latch on to, or make up justifications for their delusions even if the whole Alpha/beta shebang was thrown in the trash where it belongs.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;46856734]The point is this toxic and pervasive culture of "alpha" and "beta" in places like reddit and 4chan exacerbated his narcissism. This is not to say we should be censoring shit or "removing all traces" as you say, merely making efforts to try to minimize this harmful line of thinking that can push insecure and mentally ill people towards violence.[/QUOTE] Yes, I get that. I'm just saying how far are you going to go to safety cushion the world so people don't radicalize a simple concept? To me, when you say you want to stop that from happening, you're never going to be able to. Insane people will literally radicalize anything. The key to stopping them will literally never be in censoring or controlling social progress and cultural ideas in this way because before too long we'll realize we have to get rid of everything. You know what can push mentally unstable and insecure people to murder? Literally anything. They're mentally unsound. You want to remove those things that might push them? Better wipe out humanity IMO, because crazy people will always be crazy unless we deal with the root of the crazy and not the thing that pushed them off the edge. You want to stop crazy people? Lets talk about mental health, not "what can we get rid of society, from everyone, so a small minority, MIGHT, not go crazy".

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;46856397]I don't get why people get so hot and bothered over this sort of thing. I mean, the implication I'm getting here is that it's a requirement to have realistic portrayals of anatomy in games, which are pure fantasy. Reality is boring, stop forcing your "norms" and "privilege" on my fantasies. Or rather, the fantasies of the creative directors of games. [/QUOTE] It's because these kind of people [I]need[/I] something to bitch about otherwise they have nothing in their lives.

If we have evidence that video games do not cause violence, or violent behaviour, and we do, then how can you argue that the same games factually cause people to imbibe social concepts to the most deep level of their being? They won't be violent, but games will brainwash them into being what exactly? I don't follow this line of logic one little bit.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46856791]If we have evidence that video games do not cause violence, or violenct behaviour, and we do, then how can you argue that the same games factually cause people to imbibe social concepts to the most deep level of their being? They won't be violent, but games will brainwash them into being what exactly? I don't follow this line of logic one little bit.[/QUOTE] Yes. If you think games can cause people to be sexist, then don't be a huge hypocrite by then claiming they can't cause them to be violent. :v:

To me this has nothing to do with "SJW" or whatever. I just think the character design went on a 9 out of 10 scale of wackness. Tekken has always had an "anime" sense to it, like the series never took itself too seriously, but it was still grounded in a way. Ever since Tekken 5 it's slowly becoming more ridiculous and now this new character is just too over the top for me. It's fine though because the new character Shaheen is one of the best looking characters so far since the Tekken 5 newcomers.

[QUOTE=Crimor;46856514]No true scotsman. We can't fix that there's people that identify as feminists that you don't think are, it's something you have to fix.[/QUOTE] Honestly, my bad. That was incorrect phrasing: the people fighting for women x to be removed from game x are very likely to believe in gender equality. However, removing that still has nothing to do with gender equality. They could be feminist but removing Lucky Chloe from Tekken is not feminist and nor is claiming games are misogynistic because some have women who are saved, killed or well endowed. I probably should have made that clear, whoops. I see your no true scotsman point. Although, I'm not 100% sure that it applies entirely in the case of an objective definition (as feminism is a movement with stated goals and beliefs) but partially at least. Sorry.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;46856625]I now remembered the name. Look up Elliot Rodger, he was the type of person who took this whole Alpha Male thing very seriously. He also had a shitty opinion towards women [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/myJq0lJ.png[/IMG] Here's his manifesto too [URL]http://abclocal.go.com/three/kabc/kabc/My-Twisted-World.pdf[/URL] just Ctrl+F "Alpha"[/QUOTE] He was fucking crazy, and I knew exactly who you were talking about. Jesus Christ, he was fucking insane and seriously mentally ill. He didnt shoot people up because of "Masculinity" or wanting to be an Alpha. He can say he wanted to feel like that, but that shit doesnt make you go on a fucking shooting spree. His fucked up brain did. A guy that goes on a killing spree is clearly not in the right state of mind. The feeling of Masculinity or trying to be an Alpha are not causes for shootings Anita. Mental illness is. You really think in some magic world where you could remove Masculinity and Alpha that this exact same shit wouldnt happen regardless? Crazys gonna be crazys for any reason at all. Go try and find Elliot Rodgers video library on youtube, you can see just how fucking insane he is in all aspects.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;46857084]Honestly, my bad. That was incorrect phrasing: the people fighting for women x to be removed from game x are very likely to believe in gender equality. However, removing that still has nothing to do with gender equality. They could be feminist but removing Lucky Chloe from Tekken is not feminist and nor is claiming games are misogynistic because some have women who are saved, killed or well endowed. I probably should have made that clear, whoops. I see your no true scotsman point. Although, I'm not 100% sure that it applies entirely in the case of an objective definition (as feminism is a movement with stated goals and beliefs) but partially at least. Sorry.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I was pretty sure you meant that, just wanted to make sure. And I think it still applies, but only for the fact that these people are trying to bend those goals and beliefs to fuel their own agenda, which is really something that needs to be dealt with before it goes even more out of hand than it already has been going.

[QUOTE=Crimor;46857132]Yeah, I was pretty sure you meant that, just wanted to make sure. And I think it still applies, but only for the fact that these people are trying to bend those goals and beliefs to fuel their own agenda, which is really something that needs to be dealt with before it goes even more out of hand than it already has been going.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the point I was trying to make was effectively: you cannot argue against feminism (at least in my mind, arguing against it is ethically wrong to do) so the entire problem with 'women vs games' thing going on cannot be argued against (without being considered misogynistic/sexist/chauvinistic etc) until the point of view is identified as a separate idea from the feminist movement. Dare me to say the word 'feminist' more times in 24 hours of Facepunch posts than I have today...

This thread is gonna look hilarious to the people that have that script that changes words though.

glorious weaboos will always triumph over the inferior sjws you can pry my animes from my cold dead hands, sarkeesian [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting & Threadshitting" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

shut the fuck up [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Rude" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46857409]glorious weaboos will always triumph over the inferior sjws you can pry my animes from my cold dead hands, sarkeesian[/QUOTE] It's fine to make jokes about nerds and things nerds like, THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE! I just find it strange how if it's something progressive people don't like, no one should be allowed to have it, because progressive people know best for everyone. I'm progressive as fuck and I find people like you scary at some level.

[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;46853858]Calling someone a Beta makes you a right winger? What? It is an insult orientated towards Males but usually just pathetic ones, I fail to see anything political about that.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=gudman;46853883]What has 'beta', 'alpha' or anything like that have to do with 'right'? Stupidity is not reserved by any political affiliation.[/QUOTE] 'beta' and 'alpha' are choice vocabulary of redpillers, who have intersectionality with right-wing movements, due to the fact that anti-feminism has mostly been a reactionary right-wing endeavor. feel free to call me wrong, though, because i don't often frequent the places that use terms like 'beta' and 'alpha'.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46857428]It's fine to make jokes about nerds and things nerds like, THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE! I just find it strange how if it's something progressive people don't like, no one should be allowed to have it, because progressive people know best for everyone. I'm progressive as fuck and I find people like you scary at some level.[/QUOTE] When did "person who likes anime" become a social class [editline]4th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Xubs;46857453]just stop paying attention to zeke, he's a chickenshit who knows this isn't 2012 and his epic zingers aren't funny and nobody's buying them, so he takes his dump on every SH thread and runs before he has any time to argue more and get banned.[/QUOTE] There's literally nothing to argue here. Tekken devs can put whatever characters they want in their game, people can choose to buy it or not; to complain about it or not. If you want my actual opinion on the character design itself I think it's a pile of shit that panders to the worst aspects of the internet, but who will care? Facepunch has already drawn battlelines on this topic and lumped everyone into either "glorious freedom-loving gamer" and "oppressive SJW nazi that wants to turn all games into Gone Home".

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46857483]When did "person who likes anime" become a social class[/QUOTE] does it have to be a social class for it to be ridiculous for you to bag on the people who enjoy something that you don't? Why should you get a free pass to just shit all over someone who enjoys anime because you think, wrongly, that their enjoyment of anime makes them a misogynist and a vile person?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;46857494]does it have to be a social class for it to be ridiculous for you to bag on the people who enjoy something that you don't? Why should you get a free pass to just shit all over someone who enjoys anime because you think, wrongly, that their enjoyment of anime makes them a misogynist and a vile person?[/QUOTE] When did I say that people who like anime are misogynist? You're getting defensive over something I didn't even say. Ever. Look through every single one of my posts, if you want. You won't find it. [editline]4th January 2015[/editline] Maybe I make fun of weaboos because [i]this[/i] happens every single time you even pretend to make fun of anime

People are mad that these things make controversy? Like no shit they make controversy, a big part of the movement is that women should be represented better in video games, of course they're going to complain about something like this. Censorship is dumb, but there wouldn't be any change if people didn't make noise.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46857508] Maybe I make fun of weaboos because [i]this[/i] happens every single time you even [B]pretend[/B] to make fun of anime[/QUOTE] lol I was just pretending guys that's also called trolling for reactions

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46857508]When did I say that people who like anime are misogynist? You're getting defensive over something I didn't even say. Ever. Look through every single one of my posts, if you want. You won't find it.[/QUOTE] I know you didn't outright say it. Something funny about text is, subtext, something one can garner from reading your last 6 months of posts where you will, and do, go after people who like things you don't like over such topics as the ones previously mentioned. People on this website keep acting like their words are only seen in one thread, no, you have as a poster the probability of being viewed across many topics, in your case, you have been viewed by myself in a shit ton of these types of threads always taking the most progressive view possible in the thread. Sometimes, going too far to attack people who like things you don't like over these very reasons. Sure, you're smart and avoid being banned and being an outright ad hominem poster by choosing your words well, but the implications of your posts are the same.

[QUOTE=joes33431;46857472]'beta' and 'alpha' are choice vocabulary of redpillers, who have intersectionality with right-wing movements, due to the fact that anti-feminism has mostly been a reactionary right-wing endeavor. feel free to call me wrong, though, because i don't often frequent the places that use terms like 'beta' and 'alpha'.[/QUOTE] Redpill communities and other pathetic, actually beta places like that are minuscule to have any impact. I don't think they even have any political affiliation at all. They might believe in something the most reactionary right-wing politician might say, but I personally wouldn't expect people like that listen to politicians, or to go out and vote or something. They can't even go out and get a girlfriend for fuck's sake, expecting them to come crawling before them instead.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46857508] Maybe I make fun of weaboos because [i]this[/i] happens every single time you even pretend to make fun of anime[/QUOTE] Maybe I just don't get why progressive people who defend everyone they can from being offended feel that it's their perogative to take pot shots at nerds and geek culture because "hey easy target and no one can really defend them because LOL GEEK".