It's probably for really low end PCs. My atom box has the CPU soldered to the motherboard.
looks like I won that bet with wingless
There are only a few cases where you can switch out the motherboard and keep the CPU (or the opposite), outside of that you're already looking at replacing both (If the new CPU isn't supported by the chipset? new mobo. If the new CPU uses a different pin layout? new mobo, etc.)
I don't see how AMD would have any affect on this either, you already have to switch motherboards when going from Intel to AMD or so.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;38607667]There are only a few cases where you can switch out the motherboard and keep the CPU (or the opposite), outside of that you're already looking at replacing both (If the new CPU isn't supported by the chipset? new mobo. If the new CPU uses a different pin layout? new mobo, etc.)
I don't see how AMD would have any affect on this either, you already have to switch motherboards when going from Intel to AMD or so.[/QUOTE]
I've upgraded just the processor in my computers a dozen times. you just don't know what you're doing.
[QUOTE=Zombii;38604776]Not really. They may have the iron grip on the market, but AMD is far from dead.[/QUOTE]
Too bad that AMD got liquidated a few weeks [url="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1225691"]ago[/url].
[QUOTE=Fangz;38607688]Too bad that AMD got liquidated a few weeks [url="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1225691"]ago[/url].[/QUOTE]
they haven't been liquidated, just looking at possibly selling off some assets. that might mean moving their graphics cards to another company, or it might mean opening up some of their patents that Intel hasn't been able to use yet.
[editline]26th November 2012[/editline]
not only that, but
[url]http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/info-tech/we-are-at-the-dawn-of-the-pc-era-says-amd-india-chief/article4137439.ece?homepage=true&ref=wl_home[/url]
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38607679]I've upgraded just the processor in my computers a dozen times. you just don't know what you're doing.[/QUOTE]
So have I, by ensuring that the new CPU is supported by the motherboard I was using at the time.
If the CPUs require being soldered down the industry will adapt and simply move to the CPU module.
[img]http://www.chaosmint.com/mac/g5-processor-module/g5board.jpg[/img]
Not implying that Apple had the idea perfectly down pat but almost all the major RISC systems (HP, DEC, SGI, and Apple) had been doing the same thing for years.
Hoping this is just a rumor, but with AMD giving up on desktop computing, I wouldn't put it past Intel to fuck the enthusiasts and mobo manufacturers in one fell swoop.
Goddamnit I do not want to be stuck buying motherboards with the CPUs soldered onto them.
[QUOTE=MIPS;38607785]If the CPUs require being soldered down the industry will adapt and simply move to the CPU module.
[img]http://www.chaosmint.com/mac/g5-processor-module/g5board.jpg[/img]
Not implying that Apple had the idea perfectly down pat but almost all the major RISC systems (HP, DEC, SGI, and Apple) had been doing the same thing for years.[/QUOTE]
so what you're saying is that to combat Intel's decision to use BGA, Intel will start producing items to get around their BGA socket?
Oh man, what if we went back to SEC cartridges?
Guys, it's okay. Razor saved PC gaming once, they can definitely do it again.
Razor, save us all. Praise the DRM mice!
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;38607821]so what you're saying is that to combat Intel's decision to use BGA, Intel will start producing items to get around their BGA socket?[/QUOTE]
Entirely possible, of course it's just as probable as the whole idea of Intel selling their CPU's BGA-only at this point. I'm not assuming that Intel buttfucks everyone known to man and makes all the boards themselves.
Edited: Or we all switch to AMD.
We've been moving towards more and more integration on processors for years. Things have continued to advance, and it's becoming reasonable to start integrating more and more components. Look at graphics cards. Look at the bridges. Look at tons of other components. Eventually we will get to the point where a motherboard is socket that you plug shit into and everything will be on one or two chips. I don't think RAM is going to be integrated anytime soon, but it probably will be eventually.
That was sudden.
[QUOTE=MIPS;38607976]Entirely possible, of course it's just as probable as the whole idea of Intel selling their CPU's BGA-only at this point. I'm not assuming that Intel buttfucks everyone known to man and makes all the boards themselves.
Edited: Or we all switch to AMD.[/QUOTE]
On the bright side, it might just be the kick AMD needs to step it up.
Reminds me of the ASUS Zeus (A-Zoos-Zoos) with its two onboard GPUs and sound card.
[IMG]http://www.hitechreview.com/uploads/2012/06/ASUS-Zeus-motherboard.jpeg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38608520]We've been moving towards more and more integration on processors for years. Things have continued to advance, and it's becoming reasonable to start integrating more and more components. Look at graphics cards. Look at the bridges. Look at tons of other components. Eventually we will get to the point where a motherboard is socket that you plug shit into and everything will be on one or two chips. I don't think RAM is going to be integrated anytime soon, but it probably will be eventually.[/QUOTE]
so in other words turn pcs into consoles
[QUOTE=Apache249;38608924]Reminds me of the ASUS Zeus (A-Zoos-Zoos) with its two onboard GPUs and sound card.
[IMG]http://www.hitechreview.com/uploads/2012/06/ASUS-Zeus-motherboard.jpeg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Good lord, that heatsink.
[QUOTE=Apache249;38608924]Reminds me of the ASUS Zeus (A-Zoos-Zoos) with its two onboard GPUs and sound card.
[IMG]http://www.hitechreview.com/uploads/2012/06/ASUS-Zeus-motherboard.jpeg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Funny thing is ASRock motherboards now look [b]exactly[/b] like ASUS mobos from back then
They're not even trying to hide the fact that they're just ASUS clones
[QUOTE=Whalen207;38609305]Funny thing is ASRock motherboards now look [b]exactly[/b] like ASUS mobos from back then
They're not even trying to hide the fact that they're just ASUS clones[/QUOTE]
asus owns asrock
edit:
or they did at least, I think pegatron owns them now. asus wanted to make entry level motherboards but wanted to keep the prestige of the asus name, so they spun off another brand. and that's how asrock was born
pegatron is technically a sister company of asus though, but it's managed seperately from asustek
I don't believe this.
Intel stands to gain exactly fuck all from doing this, and assuming AMD keeps their CPU's unsoldered they also stand to lose a huge market share.
[QUOTE=nVidia;38604758]But, intel could potentially do this since they pretty much own the cpu market now, right?[/QUOTE]
Doing this would hand AMD the entire market overnight. It would be incredibly daft.
Semiaccurate has been scarily accurate about a lot of things, I hope they aren't right about this one.
I can imagine that motherboard architecture is a bottleneck and that in favor of advancing technology this would make sense, but from every other perspective it's pretty lame.
Not sure if to believe it, or if it's just SA all butthurt from AMD having problems and trying to rouse people against Intel.
They wouldn't do this, Gigabyte and Asus would sue them. Also if they did, ARM CPUs would become a more serious competitor and AMD are still around, the last thing Intel want's is to drive their customers into the hand of their competitors.
The story is twisting the facts in order to get people angry.
Please let AMD comeback and live their glory days with their Phenon CPU
All this "PC is/will be dead" bollocks is just that... bollocks. Without the almighty PC there would be no console games (where do you think console games get built, what do you think 3ds Max, Photoshop and the likes run on!?), no CGI movies, no special effects in movies and that is only scratching the surface.
There are a lot of games currently in development as I type this that will give PC gaming a kick start a few months/a year down the line. We have StarForge, Star Citizen, DayZ Standalone just to name a few. It's all fair and good doing all this mobile crap but has anyone here ever tried to do any serious gaming on a poxy little phone/mini tablet or even tried using one for the best part of an hour. Your back/neck hurt, your fingers and hand get tired as they are not rested on anything and you can't do any serious work on them.
In the future I believe PC's, Phones, Gaming consoles, MP3 players, Cameras and the like will all merge into one small device, where you have at home a screen, keyboard and mouse and you bring your device home and plug it in and then it becomes a PC. Unplug it and it can be used as a remote control for your TV along with streaming. We are not there yet though it'll definitely be a few more years before we can fit the graphical processing power of a hardcore gaming rig down into the size of an iPhone. I am looking forward to that age where one can take their entire gaming setup with them in their pocket and hook it up to any large screen anywhere and carry on working/gaming whatever.
[QUOTE=Chaoss86;38611324]All this "PC is/will be dead" bollocks is just that... bollocks. Without the almighty PC there would be no console games (where do you think console games get built, what do you think 3ds Max, Photoshop and the likes run on!?), no CGI movies, no special effects in movies and that is only scratching the surface.[/QUOTE]
workstations
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