But once again, internet piracy doesn't steal anything. The original is not lost or stolen, nor will it ever be because anything on the internet can be copied an infinite amount of times, legitimately or not. There is not cost to copy anything except the electricity to run your computer. It is nothing like shoplifting whatsoever because nothing is physically taken and the retailers don't loose a cent.
I don't support internet piracy or any illegal downloading, but the same standards of physical "theft" should not apply (shoplifting/ car jacking/ etc.), especially after seeing those ridiculous fines for downloading a few songs that you can hear for free on the radio or youtube. Big deal.
[QUOTE=Adarrek;42715601]I don't care if i have the right or not to do something on the internet.[/QUOTE]
child pornography
[QUOTE=muffinmastah;42718528]But once again, internet piracy doesn't steal anything. The original is not lost or stolen, nor will it ever be because anything on the internet can be copied an infinite amount of times, legitimately or not. There is not cost to copy anything except the electricity to run your computer. It is nothing like shoplifting whatsoever because nothing is physically taken and the retailers don't loose a cent.
I don't support internet piracy or any illegal downloading, but the same standards of physical "theft" should not apply (shoplifting/ car jacking/ etc.), especially after seeing those ridiculous fines for downloading a few songs that you can hear for free on the radio or youtube. Big deal.[/QUOTE]
This is such a stupid backwards teenage view. Next you're gonna say that money is not worth more than the actual material value of the coin.
Goods don't have to be physical to have a worth, intellectual property and services can't be "stolen" like an apple can yet you will get in trouble when you don't pay your cleaning lady.
You can argue about prices and all, yes and the music industry needs to get a smack but as law and logic holds it, when the creator of virtual goods says you may not copy it without permission you can't just scream "lol not stolen".
This is not how a modern service society works.
[QUOTE=Killuah;42720365]This is such a stupid backwards teenage view. Next you're gonna say that money is not worth more than the actual material value of the coin.
Goods don't have to be physical to have a worth, intellectual property and services can't be "stolen" like an apple can yet you will get in trouble when you don't pay your cleaning lady.
You can argue about prices and all, yes and the music industry needs to get a smack but as law and logic holds it, when the creator of virtual goods says you may not copy it without permission you can't just scream "lol not stolen".
This is not how a modern service society works.[/QUOTE]
this, so much
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42717166]tbh i think a more passive way to discourage piracy is the best way to do it. direct shit like blocking sites and pressing charges will never work.
i think they should find a way address people who are pirating their movies/shows and shoot them an email or something going "hey! we saw that you enjoyed pacific rim. it's out on blu ray right now, do you want to buy it?" or "we see that you downloaded season 4 of the walking dead. right now a subscription to AMC's site bullshit is on sale, click here to check it out." or something like that. don't think they'd ever consider something like that, but i think it would be a good way to encourage people who are on the fence about piracy to buy something.
then again there are always shitlords who think they're entitled to everything and would pirate stuff no matter what.[/QUOTE]
that sounds hilarious, i can imagine ISPs becoming like a nagging mother or a really passive aggressive friend
BeeMP3 doesn't host any copyrighted material whatsoever, it's a crawler that indexes MP3's into a search engine parallel to a rating system. So the results that come up are ones that other people have voted as good links. This has broke applications I made to stream music using this crawler fuck, some people shouldn't be in charge of this type of shit.
[QUOTE=Killuah;42720365]This is such a stupid backwards teenage view. Next you're gonna say that money is not worth more than the actual material value of the coin.
Goods don't have to be physical to have a worth, intellectual property and services can't be "stolen" like an apple can yet you will get in trouble when you don't pay your cleaning lady.
You can argue about prices and all, yes and the music industry needs to get a smack but as law and logic holds it, when the creator of virtual goods says you may not copy it without permission you can't just scream "lol not stolen".
This is not how a modern service society works.[/QUOTE]
He is right in the respect that it isn't the same as stealing a physical object.
The result of stealing a physical product is that you deprive the people you stole it from of both the original product and the sale they would have got assuming you would have bought it. Which means not only do they not get paid, they actually have to pay money to recoup what they have lost due to theft.
Piracy still involves the theft part of the equation, but doesn't have the part where you steal the physical product which now needs to be replaced. It's still stealing of intellectual property, but it's less costly than just stealing a physical product and should be treated as such.
However it also depends on how you acquire the intellectual product. Say you download Photoshop directly from Adobe's site, but then you crack it, well then you've actually cost Adobe the (admittedly miniscule) price of serving you the data, which means it falls back into the traditional idea of theft, although much less severe still.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;42718041]No it's more like going into a bookstore and writing down all the words in a book. It has nothing to do with theft or shoplifting. Actually it's closer to having someone who owns a book write all the words down for you.[/QUOTE]
You are missing the point. The point is that giving out something for free from time to time in no way gives up your right to control a product.
As a rightsholder I have the right to distribute my work for free when I see fit, but that does not relinquish all control of the product. If a song comes on the radio you are within your rights to copy that specific performance because that specific performance is being given for free. That does not then also grant you the right to go download the same piece.
If I made a game I could give you a copy of the game for free if I like. That does not mean you have the right to copy it a thousand times and give the copies out to friends, and it doesn't mean someone that I didn't give a copy to has the right to pirate it. Do people seriously believe that if something is given out for free as a promotion, that it must be free forever and you can take it whenever you like with no repercussions? 'You played this song one time on the college radio back in '86 so I'm justified in downloading it whenever I want'
[QUOTE=Riutet;42720851]He is right in the respect that it isn't the same as stealing a physical object.
The result of stealing a physical product is that you deprive the people you stole it from of both the original product and the sale they would have got assuming you would have bought it. Which means not only do they not get paid, they actually have to pay money to recoup what they have lost due to theft.
Piracy still involves the theft part of the equation, but doesn't have the part where you steal the physical product which now needs to be replaced. It's still stealing of intellectual property, but it's less costly than just stealing a physical product and should be treated as such.
However it also depends on how you acquire the intellectual product. Say you download Photoshop directly from Adobe's site, but then you crack it, well then you've actually cost Adobe the (admittedly miniscule) price of serving you the data, which means it falls back into the traditional idea of theft, although much less severe still.[/QUOTE]
Yes and this is why we replaced the physical barrier of "not being there anymore" of "real" goods with copyright laws for virtual goods.
Besides that, the moral system of "but I don't harm the guy i'm copying from" is childish.
Noone can tell that: you might have paid it, you might not.
And by saying "well he's not losing a sale" you try to do exactly that.
It's like passing your bathroom door, going to the kitchen and saying "well I wasn't going to have a shit anyways".
Point being: you're excusing your own decision with your own decision and that's idiotic.
just change your DNS; problem solved.
Do we know if they are blocking them through IP or just the HTTP ports used? If it's only the ports, wouldn't it suffice to create a new data transfer protocol specifically for pirating music?
Don't get me wrong, I somewhat support them blocking those sites (with a few exceptions) because otherwise the music industry would decline.
If they are blocking it the same way as they block tpb, changing the DNS won't work, i've tried several.
[QUOTE=Killuah;42742288]Yes and this is why we replaced the physical barrier of "not being there anymore" of "real" goods with copyright laws for virtual goods.
Besides that, the moral system of "but I don't harm the guy i'm copying from" is childish.
Noone can tell that: you might have paid it, you might not.
And by saying "well he's not losing a sale" you try to do exactly that.
It's like passing your bathroom door, going to the kitchen and saying "well I wasn't going to have a shit anyways".
Point being: you're excusing your own decision with your own decision and that's idiotic.[/QUOTE]
That reminds me of that indie developer whose game were pirated a lot more times than sold.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;42743995]That reminds me of that indie developer whose game were pirated a lot more times than sold.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.greenheartgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/1day.png[/img]
[QUOTE=AzzyMaster;42744065][img]http://www.greenheartgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/1day.png[/img][/QUOTE]
There was also one where everytime 350 played the gamed, one if them had actually bought it
[QUOTE=gokiyono;42743995]That reminds me of that indie developer whose game were pirated a lot more times than sold.[/QUOTE]
This is true for most games, not just indie games (though not as severely mind, AAA games sell a lot still). The mentality behind pirates who actually try and justify their actions are massively flawed leaps of logic, whilst pirates who pirate because "lol free" are assholes, at least they aren't delusional.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;42743995]That reminds me of that indie developer whose game were pirated a lot more times than sold.[/QUOTE]
I mean I am not condoning people who are pirating, how could I, you wanna try something without paying for it, ok.
But then at least have the decency to be straight about it and stop the self-deception about it being somewhat not harmfull or something.
[t]http://horobox.co.uk/u/Reag_1383616818.jpg[/t]
For fucks sake its an indexer they don't host the files.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;42744439]There was also one where everytime 350 played the gamed, one if them had actually bought it[/QUOTE]
If I recall correctly, that was due to the game not being able to be purchased and installed on any phones but like 2 models due to he had decided to limit it to only those.
Found it, it was a on the screen multiplayer(other person played across from you, no online multiplayer) game which required you to use a tablet to be effective, cost $5, and was their first release with no demo. [URL]http://luckyframe.co.uk/blog/[/URL]
[QUOTE=AzzyMaster;42744065][img]http://www.greenheartgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/1day.png[/img][/QUOTE]
but the cracked version was something they released themselves to garner attention. they used pirates to do their marketing for free. no one can use game dev tycoon as an example of anything in a discussion about video game piracy or any piracy for that matter
I want torrentz.eu back ffs
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;42752528]but the cracked version was something they released themselves to garner attention. they used pirates to do their marketing for free. no one can use game dev tycoon as an example of anything in a discussion about video game piracy or any piracy for that matter[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.slashgear.com/95-android-game-piracy-experience-highlights-app-theft-challenge-15282064/[/url]
95% piracy rate, this is around about the same for every app on Android.
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