DAESH continues its destruction of Ancient structures, this time, a 4th century Iraqi Christian mona - Polidicks

[QUOTE=bdd458;47371937]why are we calling them DAESH now?[/QUOTE] Daesh is the Arabic acronym for ISIS and also a word meaning to crush someone under your foot.

[QUOTE=bdd458;47371937]why are we calling them DAESH now?[/QUOTE] it's a trendy thing to do now, ISIS threatened to cut the tongue out of anyone who calls them DAESH. so people on facepunch are doing it to mock them. let's hope there aren't any DAESHers on FP tho

[QUOTE=Quark:;47372025]it's a trendy thing to do now, ISIS threatened to cut the tongue out of anyone who calls them DAESH. so people on facepunch are doing it to mock them. let's hope there aren't any DAESHers on FP tho[/QUOTE] ah but isn't the point of an insult that the other party actually hears the insult? like I can get why governments would say such a thing, but I highly doubt there are actual ISIS members on Facepunch so calling them that has literally zero effect. but man, seeing all this historical shit get destroyed makes me really sad. at least the museum I work at has copies of some Assyrian stuff (the copies were made in the late 1800's).

[QUOTE=Pelican;47369543]I love it when people bring up this hilarious argument "xd they worship the same god!!!" yes okay you do realise that if you told that to an actual religious person they'd be highly offended? you think that this lunatic organisation would believe it ??????? some people, man[/QUOTE] I'm a religious person (Christian, non-sectarian), and I accept that the Abrahamic faiths largely worship the same deity, share many of the same concepts about religion, and are generally similar enough to consider them their own religious group. And we do, that's why they're called the Abrahamic religions. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism literally read from the same texts; Judaism uses the Torah, Christianity uses the OT (Torah, Prophets) and NT, and Islam uses the OT, parts of the NT, and the Qu'ran. The major differences are rituals, practices, and beliefs about which text is legitimately the final word of God. You can't argue that they don't all worship the same deity, though, when they all draw from the exact same core texts and beliefs, share most of the main religious figures, stories, histories, and the entire Levitical law. That's not to say any group thinks the other two are doing things correctly, but most of the Muslims I've had the chance to discuss theology with generally accept that it is the same God, and largely the same religion, with minor changes to differentiate each. Final point: Muhammad followed some sort of Abrahamic monotheism before he wrote the Qu'ran and founded Islam. He wasn't Jewish, because Judaism is an ethoreligion that can only (technically) be followed by Ethnic Jews, but he followed the same scriptural texts and laws. Essentially, if he were Jewish, he would have been a religious Jew. What we have to realize is that middle-eastern religions have historically been nebulous, and largely still are. Abrahamic Judaism (the religion) spawned a host of religions that followed the same god (Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah; El/Shaddai), and that Christianity and Islam were but two of thousands of groups that achieved some degree of stability for a while. They just happened to become more popular. Religions fracture. They split into subgroups, splinters, and each has varying beliefs to differentiate itself from the core structure. Judaism could be considered the mother religion for Abrahamism, but even it's an offshoot of the Canaanite pagan traditions that go back ten, twenty thousand years in the region. Judaism's major tenet was that it was monotheistic, and that they worshiped El. Christianity believed in Jehovah's will, personified in the Christ, as a physical being. Islam is largely considered to be a response to Christianity's (mainly Catholicism's) increasing iconographic traditions, and focused on returning to the original monotheism. They are not altogether different, just responses to social stimuli. What's even more interesting is that sectation works the same way. Religions are fractal, built on subgroups. The differences between Protestantism and Eastern Orthodoxy are almost as large as those between Christianity and Islam. Groups within Protestantism can frequently be just as differentiated, especially when you look at sects like Jehovah's Witnesses compared to Southern Baptists. Nobody's arguing that Catholics and Protestants don't worship the same god, or that Baptists and Methodists don't. Even though their methods and ideologies are different, the overall religion remains largely the same. To that end, I argue that the Abrahamic religions all worship the Abrahamic god, even though their rituals, beliefs, and scriptures are different. I feel like I've rambled on enough, but these are the things you learn in a religious studies class. EDIT: ISIL doesn't fall within that. While they are a religiously-motivated terrorist group, they are not in and of themselves a religion. They're staunch Wahhabists, which is a Sunni subgroup.

[QUOTE=Killbane;47368572]Why would they destroy a christian monument? Christians worship the same god and messiah that they do. Guess its just further proof this isn't religion based?[/QUOTE] Iirc in Islam Jesus is not the Messiah, but another prophet. Just telling you for future reference.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47374343]Why are you calling it DAESH? English acronym is IS or ISIL[/QUOTE] yes this is really confusing me as well why cant we just stick with one acronym? just IS is simple enough to remember

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;47374343]Why are you calling it DAESH? English acronym is IS or ISIL[/QUOTE] To spite them

[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;47374447]To spite them[/QUOTE] really lol because they are totally going to be squatting in their caves reading sensationalist headlines on facepunch of all things

[QUOTE=Marzipas;47374452]really lol because they are totally going to be squatting in their caves reading sensationalist headlines on facepunch of all things[/QUOTE] yeah well apparently ISIL finds the term offensive because it doesn't properly legitimize them. some people use it as an insult.

[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;47374522]yeah well apparently ISIL finds the term offensive because it doesn't properly legitimize them. some people use it as an insult.[/QUOTE] It's only insulting if they see it lol, which is why say Governments would use it. But as far as I'm aware there are no ISIS members on Facepunch so the entire point iof using it is moot.

[QUOTE=bdd458;47374553]It's only insulting if they see it lol, which is why say Governments would use it. But as far as I'm aware there are no ISIS members on Facepunch so the entire point iof using it is moot.[/QUOTE] Personally I think the only ironic part about this is that facepunchers like yourself are the ones getting upset about it.

[QUOTE=Marzipas;47374452]really lol because they are totally going to be squatting in their caves reading sensationalist headlines on facepunch of all things[/QUOTE] Its also a bit of a ruse joke to poke fun at ISIL for the fact they claimed it was their holy name and anyone who used it would be targeted and killed. Yet here we are, using it in abundance and nothing has happened.

theres just being "ha ha look at how evil we are" at this point [editline]23rd March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bdd458;47372069]ah but isn't the point of an insult that the other party actually hears the insult? like I can get why governments would say such a thing, but I highly doubt there are actual ISIS members on Facepunch so calling them that has literally zero effect. but man, seeing all this historical shit get destroyed makes me really sad. at least the museum I work at has copies of some Assyrian stuff (the copies were made in the late 1800's).[/QUOTE] Who cares? If someone does something shitty and you say "That bastard!" it doesn't really matter if they hear it or not.

This is literally "If we can't have it, you can't." [editline]22nd March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;47368351]Human civilization being destroyed and we can't get off our asses and pass a UN resolution, even Russia and China can't defend this shit anymore[/QUOTE] Uh what the hell are you going on about? Russia and China absolutely hate Islamic radicals, considering that those radicals love to make terrorist attacks on them.

Surely our governments are waiting for the group to get to a size where it's considered efficient to go in there and annihilate them.

[QUOTE=Sableye;47368351]Human civilization being destroyed and we can't get off our asses and pass a UN resolution, even Russia and China can't defend this shit anymore[/QUOTE] When did Russia and China defend "this shit", and were there any meetings in UN council about mass intervention at all?

The media coverage is the issue... They know this stuff pisses people off, If it wasnt publicised people wouldnt react, and its much more likly it would be less common

[QUOTE=Pelican;47369543]I love it when people bring up this hilarious argument "xd they worship the same god!!!" yes okay you do realise that if you told that to an actual religious person they'd be highly offended? you think that this lunatic organisation would believe it ??????? some people, man[/QUOTE] Not necessarily. I'm catholic and I know several muslim classmates that are pretty heavily religious, and we all agree that we all believe in the same god, by different names

[QUOTE=Maximo13;47378970]Not necessarily. I'm catholic and I know several muslim classmates that are pretty heavily religious, and we all agree that we all believe in the same god, by different names[/QUOTE] I'm sure I can go out and find some Catholics and Muslims and tell them the same thing and they'll be highly offended. My father, for example. There's Catholics/Christians, and then there's everyone else. There is no equality of religion in his eyes.