Reuters Data Dive: The emotional cost of the 2016 election - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Tudd;51791342]Well they aren't the blanketed racists or homophobes that people believe[/QUOTE] Hard to believe that T_D is capable of having intelligent discussion when Pizzagate and Alex Jones regularly make the front page. Maybe they're not racists, but they think it's OK to randomly accuse people of being murderous pedophiles without evidence [editline]7th February 2017[/editline] And that's if you can sift through the constant flow of extremely funny kek memes and other assorted image macros insulting leftists. I wouldn't "disown" someone for going there, but it's still an incredibly embarrassing subreddit overall

[QUOTE=Big Bang;51791236]Fucking hell that was 6 posts in. I fail to understand the intense hatred alt-right idiots have for Sweden. Here's a hint, look up on what that code 291 thing actually was before you go down the same hateful path of !LORD M![/QUOTE] Probably a mixture of jealousy, stemming from how Sweden always tops top-10 lists about everything. And actual problems that are happening in the Swedish society. Mix that with an active misinformation campaign aimed toward Sweden from nations like Russia, and you get this strange disproportional hatred towards Sweden.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;51791818]Probably a mixture of jealousy, stemming from how Sweden always tops top-10 lists about everything. And actual problems that are happening in the Swedish society. Mix that with an active misinformation campaign aimed toward Sweden from nations like Russia, and you get this strange disproportional hatred towards Sweden.[/QUOTE] So... How is Sweden this time of year?

[QUOTE=Tudd;51791342]Well they aren't the blanketed racists or homophobes that people believe. Half the time the front page either has a quote from Malik Obama or Milo with raving support despite their identities conflicting with this label. The place is obviously ideologically divisive, that's kind of the point of its existence, but if you think disowning your sister is "not a terrible idea" cause she might have been in contact with bigots on a internet forum (something not even FP is immune to) then you are a person with terrible judgement.[/QUOTE] Not quite sure that having a gay guy and a black guy on the front page is justification for all of this: [url]https://archive.is/cdA7f[/url] [url]https://i.redd.it/q3b8l7ec018x.png[/url] [url]http://archive.is/bhDxK[/url] [url]https://i.redd.it/ozb7p1otydbx.png[/url] [url]http://archive.is/pyPCf#selection-2497.0-2497.76[/url] [url]https://i.redd.it/cvt8weewa89x.png[/url] [url]https://archive.is/cdA7f[/url] [url]https://i.redd.it/0cwv2ywug09x.png[/url] [url]https://i.redd.it/d2p9o1iwqgox.png[/url] [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4bw1hi/europe_is_being_destroyed_by_soft_invasion_and/d1cvyi9/[/url] [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4a2psj/black_lives_matter_gangster_fires_off_his_uzi_in/[/url] [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4fv5e6/this_sub_supports_donald_trump/[/url] [url]http://archive.is/mPaOX[/url] [url]https://i.redd.it/xvqyy4082t9x.png[/url]

[QUOTE=El Periodista;51791821]So... How is Sweden this time of year?[/QUOTE] Pretty cold.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;51791829]Pretty cold.[/QUOTE] Cool.

[QUOTE=nVidia;51791085]And this right here is one of the reasons why trump won. Keep it up.[/QUOTE] hey it's this meme again [QUOTE=1239the;51790985]Yeah, I ended a friendship with a Trump supporter because they began to personally attack me for my marriage. If you use this poll to whine about "so-called liberal tolerance" you're probably missing a fucking huge amount of context.[/QUOTE] nVidia, lets apply your post to this example. If I was in a <insert gay/lesbian/interracial/whatever> marriage, and a friend, who is a trump supporter, continues to attack me for being in that marriage, how is it my fault that I couldn't stand the shithead for constantly attacking me for my marriage?

Why do people become so emotially invested in their political beliefs that it literally tears their family apart, lol

[QUOTE=ChinChilla;51791964]Why do people become so emotially invested in their political beliefs that it literally tears their family apart, lol[/QUOTE] That's kind of a funny way to put it, seeing as the divide tends to result in one side believing that all humans are equal and whatnot, and the other side vehemently denying that. [editline]8th February 2017[/editline] And it gets even more personal when it involves beliefs around minority groups a particular family member belongs to, eg: when a family tends to believe gay marriage is wrong and expresses such an opinion in the presence of a gay family member.

[QUOTE=ChinChilla;51791964]Why do people become so emotially invested in their political beliefs that it literally tears their family apart, lol[/QUOTE] Some people have a moral backbone, and can't tolerate racists in their family? Surround yourself with people who support you, if this means cutting ties with racists and bigots in your family, you'll be a happier person for it.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;51792085] Surround yourself with people who support you, if this means cutting ties with racists and bigots in your family, you'll be a happier person for it.[/QUOTE] There is certainly merit in interacting with people with opposing view-points, or opinions you disagree with- but if you have any fucking substance there will always be lines that can't be crossed. If your relationship with someone is just outright toxic because of their shitty views, chuck the twat. Ive had to stop talking to really good friends because of the opinions passed onto them by their bat shit religious or hyper conservative families- because at the end of the day if my friend attempts to rip into me any time I make even a passing comment that happened to contradict his holy book- I don't want to be around them. For example, I had one friend who launched into a tirade about creationism when I explained how oil forms to my little brother, and (no doubt at his mum's prompting) would not fucking stop trying to save me from my [b]sexual corruption!![/b] because i'm bisexual. That's not fucking fun. Why would I put up with shit like that from someone when I don't have to?. I have to keep conversation with some of my relatives to an absolute minimum because they don't understand that the reason i'm so invested in my political position is that I really do have my entire life at risk from the politics and politicians that they idolise, and it's simply fucking demoralising to hear the trash they come out with. For example, When my Grandmother balls her fists and spits "Good!!!, let em all starve! they're all no-good rats anyway!" at the television when watching a news segment about government cuts to disability welfare, she simply cannot understand that they mean me, the papers tell her it's foreigners and fakers that are going to suffer, and she wont hear any more about it. It's got nothing to do with being "tolerant!", sometimes it's just better for your peace of mind to not have to put up with people constantly shitting on you because of their dumb-fuck opinions.

[QUOTE=CanUBe;51790909]It's almost as if Trump supporters tend to have more extreme, alienating views. Also if you support an intolerant candidate don't expect any tolerance from the people he's going to fuck over.[/QUOTE] This. The mindset that needs to be adopted against these people (and we do need to be wholly against them) was summed up by Orwell: [i]"People that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves, and traitors are not victims-- they're accomplices."[/i] There's no reason to still be a Trump supporter at this point in time, not after everything that's been done and that's planning to be done in the future. The same goes for people who still support the Republican Party. The bullshit that's going on in our country today because of them is indefensible.

[QUOTE=nVidia;51791085]And this right here is one of the reasons why trump won. Keep it up. [/QUOTE] every time lol

[QUOTE=Tudd;51791255][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5sl703/its_weird_i_visit_the_donald_and_its_nothing_but/[/url] I know people will cringe at me linking anything from the_donald, but I think it is fair to counter this idea it is nothing but racist homophobic bigots on T_D. It is way more complicated than that.[/QUOTE] Don't you get banned from there at the first sign of dissent? That would explain how remaining people get along.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;51791818]Probably a mixture of jealousy, stemming from how Sweden always tops top-10 lists about everything. And actual problems that are happening in the Swedish society. Mix that with an active misinformation campaign aimed toward Sweden from nations like Russia, and you get this strange disproportional hatred towards Sweden.[/QUOTE] I don't think jealousy has much to do with it, as they aren't getting information from places that have [I]good[/I] things to say about Sweden.

I can't talk politics within earshot of my mother without her getting hyper defensive. It's actually somewhat soured my relationship with her, although I hold no ill will toward her. She's pro-Trump to the point of delusion. She hates liberals, but when asked to define one, steers the topic away either by claiming she's being dogpiled or responding with personal insults. She believes everything she hears from Facebook and Fox News and nothing from any "liberal" news source. She's incredibly skeptical of anything that remotely challenges her beliefs but will eat up anything that confirms her beliefs. She's pro-LGBT and thinks Trump is too even after all the shit going on lately; her son-in-law (my sister's husband) was born from an illegal immigrant but she's fiercly anti-immigrant; she's anti-welfare even though she relied on the state when she was a single mother in the '80s. She's anti-muslim even though a good friend of mine is muslim and she likes him. She has so much doublethink, and trying to explain logical incongruities or provide factual references makes her feel personally attacked. Just discussing politics in another room with my dad makes her act like we're talking behind her back. I've given up arguing with her and just avoid her when she's in one of those moods.

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;51792918]I can't talk politics within earshot of my mother without her getting hyper defensive. It's actually somewhat soured my relationship with her, although I hold no ill will toward her. She's pro-Trump to the point of delusion. She hates liberals, but when asked to define one, steers the topic away either by claiming she's being dogpiled or responding with personal insults. She believes everything she hears from Facebook and Fox News and nothing from any "liberal" news source. She's incredibly skeptical of anything that remotely challenges her beliefs but will eat up anything that confirms her beliefs. She's pro-LGBT and thinks Trump is too even after all the shit going on lately; her son-in-law (my sister's husband) was born from an illegal immigrant but she's fiercly anti-immigrant; she's anti-welfare even though she relied on the state when she was a single mother in the '80s. She's anti-muslim even though a good friend of mine is muslim and she likes him. [b]She has so much doublethink, and trying to explain logical incongruities or provide factual references makes her feel personally attacked[/b]. Just discussing politics in another room with my dad makes her act like we're talking behind her back. I've given up arguing with her and just avoid her when she's in one of those moods.[/QUOTE] Obviously anecdotes are anecdotes, but this pretty much summarizes every single conservative in my family. Which is everyone on both sides, with the exception of my step-grandmother and myself. Also extends to a large swathe of conservatives I have met over the years. The double-think is intense. Every one of them is like your second paragraph. A few years ago, my father asked in a joking manner, "How the hell did you become some liberal, when your parents and grandparents are so damn conservative?" I didn't have an answer at the time, but I think I do now: because I value logic, I value having logically sound opinions, and I can't find consolidation for those with conservatism. Every example of conservatism in my family has been a flamboyant display of, as you put it Sleepy, logical incongruity and double-think. That isn't to say, objectively, that conservatism is, with necessity, filled with logical incongruity and double-think; simply to say that, in my life, every example of it I've been exposed to has been wrought with such.

[QUOTE=nVidia;51791085]And this right here is one of the reasons why trump won. Keep it up. [/QUOTE] i'm christening this as a new fallacy, ad trumpum if you don't like the point that a poster is making, just claim that "it's one of the reasons that trump's in power" for some reason

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[QUOTE=bunguer;51793531]I hate Hillary and Trump, wished the democrats had a better candidate that I could defend - but I find it incredibly ironic that the same people stating progressive ideals are the same people that have no problem saying that supporters of the opposing party (Trump) deserves to be set aside. Jfc, the mental gymnastic one needs to have to see this type of attitude as positive is simply mindbogglingly. How is that a progressive and open mentality? Can't handle other people's opinion? Do you think that because people support Trump they share all his view points? Do you think that's the reason they voted for him? How is setting aside people for opposing views anything but divisive?[/QUOTE] If you read the thread you'd see why some people would rather cut ties with certain people than continue enduring their presence.

I haven't see anyone say that in this thread. All I've seen is people saying they can't tolerate someone being sexist or homophobic - which are legitimate reasons not to be friends with someone.

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[QUOTE=nVidia;51790836]So much for that much preached tolerance, wow.[/QUOTE] You can be intolerant of intolerant views. Say if you were being racist, it wouldn't be intolerant or hypocritical for me to tell you to cut your crap and/or stop talking to you. Predicted reply from Trump enthusiast : "but how do you know that my views are intolerant, you're being intolerant of my advocacy for discrimination based on irrational dislike of peoples genes, ur the real bigot/racist/fascists"

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51793628]You can be intolerant of intolerant views. Say if you were being racist, it wouldn't be intolerant or hypocritical for me to tell you to cut your crap and/or stop talking to you. Predicted reply from Trump enthusiast : "but how do you know that my views are intolerant, you're being intolerant of my advocacy for discrimination based on irrational dislike of peoples genes, ur the real bigot/racist/fascists"[/QUOTE] Yeah, but you can't be tolerant of one thing and not tolerant of another. Which is a totally rational and non-contrived argument.

I know a girl who's mom said she was voting for Trump, so her daughter broke all ties with her, called her a stupid bitch, and went on a rant about how she wished she wasn't her mom. Yeah, I don't talk to that girl anymore. The election was bad, but to act like such a spoiled brat and completely disrespect the person that raised you? Fuck off.

[QUOTE=bunguer;51793576]I hate to post a PragerU but this one is made by Dave Rubin which should be a known name for all the leftists. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiVQ8vrGA_8[/url][/QUOTE] I honestly thought that stuff was a fairly recent, fringe kind of thing mainly condensed on tumblr. I thought liberals [I]were[/I] classical liberals, with increasing support of a social democratic system. Am I totally off? Is this PC, SJW Internet culture actually representative of 'the left' as a concept now? Does anyone have a good sum-up of what exactly right and left means in modern times? And also, being 'progressive' and 'open to ideas' does not mean you have to accept blatant sexism, homophobia, etc. You may associate those two words with SJWs now and therefore they feel like watered-down laughable terms, but they are still real things that actually exist and aren't acceptable. To me, being open to ideas means being open to reasoning and willing to discuss and change your mind when presented with logical arguments. When good reasons can't be presented, there's nothing left to do with that idea than to throw it out. And if it is being forced through anyway, then there's nothing left to do than oppose it.

[QUOTE=bunguer;51793576] You can stop being friends with anyone you want, just don't pretend to be progressive and open to ideas when you clearly aren't.[/QUOTE] I'm confused, are you saying that being intolerant towards homophobes, racists and sexists is a bad thing?

How is it intolerant to not go "I respect your opinion that black people/homosexuals/etc are subhumans"? Acknowledging such things as defensible opinions to hold would mean that you think it's conceivable that black people/homosexuals/etc are indeed less human than you are, and thus you would be intolerant towards them.

Christ, politics REALLY divides people.

[QUOTE=Nitro836;51793779]Christ, politics REALLY divides people.[/QUOTE] I think it's more than simply politics of left or right that divides people. What divides people is humans being disregarded and their lives being put on the line for factors they can't choose at the start of their life. Factors such as ethnicity, sex, sexuality, financial class, etc. It's telling when one would disown an illness such as aids for it being associated with homosexuality or reject those who run for their lives from war-torn countries for their Arabic ethnicity. Politics is a spectrum of spectrum for a variety of issues that shouldn't be tied to party loyalties but are unfortunately.