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"Many systems" is many systems, not "my Home PC". Speakers are speakers. They don't even have drivers. Why you are talking about speakers is beyond me. Learn some basic networking if you can't work out DHCP. How would you be wasting money on Win 7 if you've already got it? Sounds to me like you just want to hate Win 7 and as soon as you hit a bump you gave up.

[QUOTE=subenji99;29763872] How would you be wasting money on Win 7 if you've already got it? Sounds to me like you just want to hate Win 7 and as soon as you hit a bump you gave up.[/QUOTE] Because I don't already have it. I used to about a year ago, but not anymore. A friend gave me a license and CD he wasn't using (he installed a Linux distro on his computer) but he gave up on Linux and asked for it back, which I gladly gave to him. But it's not about the GUI either though, it's about the fact that Windows 7 simply isn't worth it to me. It never will be. I don't care what Microsoft does to it, I have Windows XP and it works perfectly fine. I don't care if it's ten years old, Microsoft still supports it because people still use it.

[QUOTE=subenji99;29763720]Also DirectX 10 but I'm sure you've heard that one plenty. I also couldn't go without "snap" anymore either. [editline]11th May 2011[/editline] I've upgraded many systems to Windows 7. I do know what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE] ATI have the Hydravision grid which should allow that, as for Nvidia... I'm sure someone has created an alternate. [QUOTE=subenji99;29763664]Now you're just talking bullshit. Windows 7 has the best hardware driver support I've ever seen in an Operating System. On the hardware you've stated the only drivers you'd have to install from a fresh installation is graphics card drivers. The rest would be handled for you by the OS - manufacturer drivers too, not microsoft compatibility stand-ins. Now some people would say the same of Linux too (except the manufacturer drivers bit), and fair enough - but Windows is far easier to deal with if a driver happens not to be working. :v:[/QUOTE] I would disagree with you. Windows 7 has decent hardware support but only for more recent hardware. XP still has drivers being released for it, as well having huge compatability with a lot of pre 2000 hardware. The soundblaster live 5.1 is still a widely used soundcard (despite it's incredible age) and it doesn't work with Vista/7, but it works perfectly with Windows XP. I'm not saying XP is better than windows 7 in anyway other than backwards compatability, I'm just saying if you're happy with XP and have no reason to upgrade yet, then don't.

Ah yes the SoundBlaster Live - I did actually run into that issue myself. A webcam became useless too. I will admit here that yes, I forgot about the driver signing debacle and some hardware just is no longer supported now. If you have a lot of old hardware that didn't get approved then indeed, that could be a costly upgrade, and not worth it.

it's a beta

Then there is the fact that when I [I]did[/I] upgrade, I encountered the problem of [I]every single file being made read-only and being unable to be fixed without re-preforming the upgrade[/I]. I had to jump through hoops to fix that too, and even then it only worked half the time. Windows 7 just does not want to co-operate with my computer. I am, however, saving up, and when I get 700 bucks or so saved up, I'll look into making an actual gaming computer instead of just the one I have. For now, though, XP suits my needs and then some.

Ah now you said you did an upgrade :v: In my experience that's always a terrible idea and you should backup and do fresh installations, but besides that you actually may have just ran into UAC. Anyways I actually agree you have no reason to upgrade, I was disagreeing with your reasons for it.

[QUOTE=Doomish;29763666]You're wrong. I tried it. My sound crackled, my wireless card did not install properly (it even says MADE FOR WINDOWS XP ON THE DISK), and I had trouble installing the ethernet port drivers. My microphone also did not work.[/QUOTE] Sound crackling = hardware problems ( too much power being put into the speakers ) Wireless card = also hardware problems ( maybe its time for a pc upgrade? ), also even when I had my old build which was about 6 years old, all my drivers still worked even though they all said made for windows xp, my brothers laptop which is 6 years old ( which is also made for xp ) runs perfectly on win7 except for his shitty finger scanner that no one even uses?

[QUOTE=J4censolo;29753214]Because XP is still great[/QUOTE] did you use windows 3.1 when XP came out?

[QUOTE=meppers;29764462]did you use windows 3.1 when XP came out?[/QUOTE] I did, I still use it, why should I upgrade to Windows 7 when I can just use 32MB of ram? *sarcasm alert*

[QUOTE=Political Gamer;29763589]I got windows 7 pro for $30 using this: [url]http://www.microsoft.com/student/en/us/windows/buynow/default.aspx[/url] [editline]11th May 2011[/editline] Holy mother of off-topic batman![/QUOTE] I get it free from my University department :)

[QUOTE=Dippeggs;29749594]Also if you haven't figured it out yet, the Authoring Tools are out for it as well.[/QUOTE] By authoring tools you mean the SDK? [QUOTE=Political Gamer;29763589]I got windows 7 pro for $30 using this: [url]http://www.microsoft.com/student/en/us/windows/buynow/default.aspx[/url] [editline]11th May 2011[/editline] Holy mother of off-topic batman![/QUOTE] I got it for free for being a computer science university student. I also have free licenses for XP, Vista, Office, Visual Basic and a few other programs

[QUOTE=Jorori;29764664]By authoring tools you mean the SDK? [/QUOTE] nope

[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;29764684]nope[/QUOTE] Oh, so it's more like the Left 4 Dead authoring tools?

[QUOTE=Gabe Newell;29764684]nope[/QUOTE] Hello Gabe. It is time for Left 4 Dead 3.

This is some insightful Portal discussion guys.

[QUOTE=Doomish;29763312]What does 7 do that XP can't? ...[/QUOTE] Assuming an default install of XP vs. an default copy of 7... [list] [*]SATA devices via AHCI (You have to run them via IDE emulation mode, turning off all the new features) [*]Wireless networking [*]USB 2.0 [*]Proper support for SSD devices [*]Proper support for multi core CPUs [*]Proper support for 64bit CPUs (XP 64 was based off Server 2003, was a separate product, released later and never saw wide distribution or support) [*]Updated graphics driver stack (which allows for newer versions of Direct3D and Direct2D/DirectWrite) [*]Upgraded printer subsystem [*]Composited GUI (makes the system faster by freeing up the CPU) [/list] There's more stuff I've forgotten, XP is a decade old, and because of that predates most hardware used today.

Why I don't use Win7: because still there are many softwares incompatible with Win7 or just has many errors with Win7. Basically this, but there are others factors... which I don't remember now. Also, better stop this big off-topic now.

[QUOTE=E.C.S;29765485]Why I don't use Win7: because still there are many softwares incompatible with Win7 or just has many errors with Win7. Basically this, but there are others factors... which I don't remember now. Also, better stop this big off-topic now.[/QUOTE] Anything that worked with Vista and 50% of XP will have a high chance of working with Win7, tell me exactly what is incompatible.

If you have software that still doesn't work with Vista/7, it's probably time to look for a replacement. Vista was released nearly half a decade ago, there's no excuses (Apart from it being unsupported) to not fix the issues in that time frame.

[QUOTE=Buggzie;29765567]Anything that worked with Vista and 50% of XP will have a high chance of working with Win7, tell me exactly what is incompatible.[/QUOTE] More like 100/100. If it was designed for XP, it'll run in 7 smoothly unless there's an unskipable dumb OS check. The only incompatibility problems I've had with 7 (for example sim city 4 artifacting) were actually caused by modern hardware, [I]not[/I] the operating system version. 7 was designed to run past windows applications natively, with [i]WoW[/i] (Windows on Windows) for running 32-bit apps in 64-bit 7 and 16-bit apps in 32-bit 7. Hell, even if you want to run 16-bit games in 64-bit 7 you can just get DOSBox. XP is 10 years old, technology doesn't wait for you if you're lagging more than 2 years behind, let alone 10. What keeps most people from upgrading is just bad rumors being spread around from the Vista era because it couldn't run XP drivers and it had some issues with it's compatibility internals. But it wouldn't make sense comercially for microsoft to release a new operating system without improvements and new features. 7 is definitely better than XP in every aspect but pre-NT applications, but that can be solved with third-party programs. Long rant is long. Now that it's settled, no more 7 vs XP.

Well, as a old gamer I am, I basically Win7 makes the my old games more hard to try to run, but of course, there are solution for this like DosBox or ScummVM. But still, I find something wrong with this. I know the progress can't stop and the old things become incompatible. Anyway, I will still using XP until 2014, after that, god help me to do the change.

Windows XP is perfectly fine. You guys are acting like Mac fanboys, but for Windows. Apple comes out with a new Mac, the Mac fanboys have to go and upgrade immediately, as if the previous version doesn't work anymore. Windows 7 comes out, and you guys go and need to upgrade immediately, as if Windows XP doesn't work anymore. I've lived in the same house for over 10 years, I guess I have to move out and buy a new one too because there are newer houses better than my current one. Might as well upgrade everything you have guys, the previous one doesn't work anymore!

XP to 7 isn't a simple matter of 'if it's not broken, don't fix it' 7 isn't just newer, it's better than XP and def. worth the upgrade if you have a semi-modern PC

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;29768264]Windows XP is perfectly fine. You guys are acting like Mac fanboys, but for Windows. Apple comes out with a new Mac, the Mac fanboys have to go and upgrade immediately, as if the previous version doesn't work anymore. Windows 7 comes out, and you guys go and need to upgrade immediately, as if Windows XP doesn't work anymore. I've lived in the same house for over 10 years, I guess I have to move out and buy a new one too because there are newer houses better than my current one. Might as well upgrade everything you have guys, the previous one doesn't work anymore![/QUOTE] I use both XP and 7 on the same computer (I can choose between both and Ubuntu at the startup) and both work good for everything

[QUOTE=Buggzie;29765567]Anything that worked with Vista and 50% of XP will have a high chance of working with Win7, tell me exactly what is incompatible.[/QUOTE] I just recently got Kilngon Academy running perfectly in Win 7 64-bit, a game notorious for playing terribly on anything that's not Win98. (Admittedly I'd found a DX Wrapper and Multicore fix, but shaddup) The point is as long as it's not 16-bit, it's very likely to work still. if you stuck with 7 32-bit, then even 16-bit apps will still work too. Just don't install your old software in Program Files so UAC doesn't interfere with it.

[QUOTE=Macktastic;29768361]XP to 7 isn't a simple matter of 'if it's not broken, don't fix it' 7 isn't just newer, it's better than XP and def. worth the upgrade if you have a semi-modern PC[/QUOTE] What's there to do on Windows 7 that I can't do on XP? I'd like to know, before I go and spend $200 to have a few features that I don't need that XP can't do. [editline].[/editline] HAHA, XP Mode on Windows 7? From what I heard, Windows 7 is the grandest Windows OS of them all, but it needs an XP mode that I have to download and install just to run XP programs? Yeah, I think I'll save some effort and stay with XP.

[QUOTE=Doomish;29762798]Windows 8 will likely be out by 2014, it's already in the works, but I'll get 7 as soon as it does something XP can't, or when it stops receiving updates.[/QUOTE] Probably earlier than that, I could see late 2012. [editline]11th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Duck;29768436]What's there to do on Windows 7 that I can't do on XP? I'd like to know, before I go and spend $200 to have a few features that I don't need that XP can't do.[/QUOTE] Play every DX10 and DX11 game, for one thing. [editline]11th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Duck;29768264]Windows 3.1 is perfectly fine. You guys are acting like Mac fanboys, but for Windows. Apple comes out with a new Mac, the Mac fanboys have to go and upgrade immediately, as if the previous version doesn't work anymore. Windows 7 comes out, and you guys go and need to upgrade immediately, as if Windows 3.1 doesn't work anymore. [/QUOTE] I just thought I would do that.

[QUOTE=Ninja Duck;29768436]What's there to do on Windows 7 that I can't do on XP? I'd like to know, before I go and spend $200 to have a few features that I don't need that XP can't do.[/QUOTE] first of all it's $100 second it has a much better-looking, cleaner GUI than XP's, and it's much easier to navigate/search through and that alone makes it worth the upgrade also DX10+ support but what I just said above probably falls into your 'I don't need it' list, but personally coming from XP myself, and I'm sure many others agree, I found 7 monumentally better to simply [i]use[/i] on a day-to-day basis [editline]we[/editline] also did you somehow miss this [QUOTE=TheDecryptor;29765389]Assuming an default install of XP vs. an default copy of 7... [list] [*]SATA devices via AHCI (You have to run them via IDE emulation mode, turning off all the new features) [*]Wireless networking [*]USB 2.0 [*]Proper support for SSD devices [*]Proper support for multi core CPUs [*]Proper support for 64bit CPUs (XP 64 was based off Server 2003, was a separate product, released later and never saw wide distribution or support) [*]Updated graphics driver stack (which allows for newer versions of Direct3D and Direct2D/DirectWrite) [*]Upgraded printer subsystem [*]Composited GUI (makes the system faster by freeing up the CPU) [/list] There's more stuff I've forgotten, XP is a decade old, and because of that predates most hardware used today.[/QUOTE]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/bEo0O.png[/img] What a well thought out response, you win.