Windows 10 Will Automatically Spy On Your Children's Computer Habits for You - Polidicks

How do you opt out? This makes me paranoid as fuck, given the whole NSA thing a while back.

I try and try to defend win10 about all my /g/ visiting friends, but MS has been making it pretty hard lately. This is disgusting.

im staying way the fuck away from windows 10

This isn't new. you've been able to do this for a long time now. I'm pretty sure my parents had something like this set up when I was a kid.

[QUOTE=unrezt;48464263]"We know you're too lazy to parent your own kids, so we'll do it for you"[/QUOTE] Honestly, this is why I'm not even completely against Microsoft doing this, even though I've despised this kind of monitoring ever since my school first started using WebSense years ago. If parents remain outraged over this, it begs the question, "Alright, so what [i]do[/i] you want? Do we 'think of the children' or not? What the hell are you trying to protect them from and why aren't you yourself more involved?" It finally forces the issue front-and-center and makes parents acknowledge it. You wanna be lazy with raising your kid, here's the means you've always asked for, on by default. If that outrages you and makes you want to turn it off, fine, but then any unwanted consequences are [i]your[/i] fault and you no longer get to be outraged.

[QUOTE=No_0ne;48465645]im staying way the fuck away from windows 10[/QUOTE] This is very much possible on Windows 7, by the way.

You can very easily disable this feature. This isn't a big deal. You can also modify the task scheduler to avoid forced updates. None of the stuff you guys are saying is a big deal. I've been quite happy with Windows 10 so far. All things considered, there have always been tools available to monitor your kid's internet usage. Having this available on an OS as an option just simplifies things (Not to mention the fact that this feature was ALSO available on Windows 7). Besides, if I had a kid, I'd like to keep them off certain sites and see what kind of stuff they're getting into (to prevent them from being idiots, hacking people, and going to sites they just shouldn't be on). I really don't understand what the problem is. If you don't like it, disable it. If you guys are just worried about the NSA getting your information, trust me, they already have it. This is not going to make it easier. They don't NEED this to make it easier.

I don't see why Microsoft is in the business of monitoring children's user habits. Isn't this why nonsense like Net Nanny exists?

Personally, I think this has some flaws, but also some benefits. Computers are so opaque if you're a parent; if you've got a smart kid, you'll never know what they're doing, and it becomes impossible to really teach them anything about the kinds of things they're doing. For instance, if you're a parent that wants your kid to have a healthy outlook on sex, if you saw they were going on porn sites, you could bring it up, and discuss it with them. Granted, that's a bit new-age, and I'd imagine most parents would just tell their kids to stop, but it's an option made available by this sort of thing. Or, alternately, if they're going around being a dick, or doing illegal things, you could bring that up as well. Nobody really teaches their kids proper internet etiquette, and this would at least provide an in-road. Or even if they're just staying up all night playing Runescape (I was), and their grades are suffering for it (mine were), you could discuss that with them too. I wish someone had with me, I'd be in better places today. It's not as easy as finding the stack of Playboys under your kid's bed these days, if you've given your kid a computer you'll never know what they're up to until they're facing repercussions. Personally, the last thing I'd want is getting a court summons over pirated media or illegal pornography, and not knowing where that came from, so it's important to teach kids about what to do and not to do on the Internet. This just makes it easier.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;48464270]This should be opt-in. That it's automatically activated is disgusting.[/QUOTE] it is opt in. if you don't want it then make them a normal non-administrator account.

[QUOTE=Irockz;48465459]How do you opt out? This makes me paranoid as fuck, given the whole NSA thing a while back.[/QUOTE] You opt out by not making a child account. It's simple, it makes sense, andthe outrage is only there because of the [i]actual[/i] privacy concerns on windows 10.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48464309]How do you turn this off?[/QUOTE] read either of the pages in the op. those are the blue words in the first post, click on em. - with the mouse

Kinda defeats the point when it's already wildly known by everyone using Windows 10. "Jonathan has spent 4 hours on hidemyass.com" Like todays' kids are too dumb to bypass this, tsk tsk.

It's opt in. It's more disgusting that parents will use it than Microsoft offering it

[QUOTE=TheTalon;48467041]It's opt in. It's more disgusting that parents will use it than Microsoft offering it[/QUOTE] To be honest, while some of the tools are pretty stalky, some of them are fairly useful. There's a feature about allocating computer time, and I don't really think it's wrong to use stuff like that.

[QUOTE=unrezt;48464263]"We know you're too lazy to parent your own kids, so we'll do it for you"[/QUOTE] That's not parenting though, that's invading their privacy. There's a huge difference, I would know. I'm worried you think that's parenting.

This is potentially more than just parents knowing that their kids watch porn. A lot of LGBT kids who don't know about this who have good reasons to not be out to their parents are going to be ruined by this.

[QUOTE=Cock Boner;48464327]this has been around since windows 7, but it was always opt-in beforehand.[/QUOTE] Vista, you mean.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48467239]Vista, you mean.[/QUOTE] For all intents and purposes, that OS did not exist

[QUOTE=woolio1;48465832]Personally, I think this has some flaws, but also some benefits. Computers are so opaque if you're a parent; if you've got a smart kid, you'll never know what they're doing, and it becomes impossible to really teach them anything about the kinds of things they're doing. For instance, if you're a parent that wants your kid to have a healthy outlook on sex, if you saw they were going on porn sites, you could bring it up, and discuss it with them. Granted, that's a bit new-age, and I'd imagine most parents would just tell their kids to stop, but it's an option made available by this sort of thing. Or, alternately, if they're going around being a dick, or doing illegal things, you could bring that up as well. Nobody really teaches their kids proper internet etiquette, and this would at least provide an in-road. Or even if they're just staying up all night playing Runescape (I was), and their grades are suffering for it (mine were), you could discuss that with them too. I wish someone had with me, I'd be in better places today. It's not as easy as finding the stack of Playboys under your kid's bed these days, if you've given your kid a computer you'll never know what they're up to until they're facing repercussions. Personally, the last thing I'd want is getting a court summons over pirated media or illegal pornography, and not knowing where that came from, so it's important to teach kids about what to do and not to do on the Internet. This just makes it easier.[/QUOTE] It's still incredibly creepy to track their every move on their computers. There are other ways to help keep them off of illegal stuff on the internet such as not giving them their own computer, and rather, having it in the living room. And regarding sex ed, you could give them the talk when they're around puberty like many parents do, or have schools reform so they actually provide sex educations.

After my Win10 settings were reverted after an update and a shit ton of "telemetry data" started getting uploaded I instantly uninstalled the OS and went back to Windows 7. They made shit on by default, the "opt-in" is likely not even remotely true, windows update is always on and apparently it just changes your settings whenever that's convenient for Microsoft. Fuck this creepy shit.

I'm surprised many people are just discovering this. Parental controls have been in Windows for quite some time now, definitely since the Win 7 days. That being said, the tracker is a little on the creepy side and I wouldn't enable it on my kids.

I think it's time for a new OS....shame there's no decent alternative, and probably never will be one.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48467433]After my Win10 settings were reverted after an update and a shit ton of "telemetry data" started getting uploaded I instantly uninstalled the OS and went back to Windows 7. They made shit on by default, the "opt-in" is likely not even remotely true, windows update is always on and apparently it just changes your settings whenever that's convenient for Microsoft. Fuck this creepy shit.[/QUOTE] It's very clear that you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. This is opt-in as in "you created a child acccount", if you don't want it make a normal account. Maybe your MSA counts into this (automatically), but I doubt it. You're being paranoid at this point, and you're honestly just spewing bullshit.

[QUOTE=Faunze;48468741]I think it's time for a new OS....shame there's no decent alternative, and probably never will be one.[/QUOTE] Stay on Windows 7/8 or switch to Linux.

[QUOTE=Irockz;48465459]How do you opt out? This makes me paranoid as fuck, given the whole NSA thing a while back.[/QUOTE] If NSA wants to know what you're doing, they have plenty of ways besides W10's parental controls that you probably aren't going to be using. I think the real problem is MS gathering and selling the private data, losing it in a hack or letting authoritarian governments monitor you based on what words you use. ("it's not happening right now right here" isn't a good reason to be complacent)

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48469449]It's very clear that you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. This is opt-in as in "you created a child acccount", if you don't want it make a normal account. Maybe your MSA counts into this (automatically), but I doubt it. You're being paranoid at this point, and you're honestly just spewing bullshit.[/QUOTE]I'm being paranoid when I "opt-out" of all the data collection and update my fucking hosts file to completely cockblock the transfer of data from my computer and then a single automatic update reverts all of that and it spends the next 15-20 minutes uploading half a gig of data? Cortana's suddenly bitching at me again to "link a microsoft account" to my OS after I uninstalled her [i]specifically[/i] because she was responsible for the lion's share of data collection is not only suspicious but it's annoying and frustrating. I don't give a flying fuck what you think son, I'm staying off Windows 10. If I have to upgrade I'll switch to Linux.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48470468]I'm being paranoid when I "opt-out" of all the data collection and update my fucking hosts file to completely cockblock the transfer of data from my computer and then a single automatic update reverts all of that and it spends the next 15-20 minutes uploading half a gig of data? Cortana's suddenly bitching at me again to "link a microsoft account" to my OS after I uninstalled her [i]specifically[/i] because she was responsible for the lion's share of data collection is not only suspicious but it's annoying and frustrating. I don't give a flying fuck what you think son, I'm staying off Windows 10. If I have to upgrade I'll switch to Linux.[/QUOTE] Stay on whatever you want, I don't care in the slightest. Windows 10 brings (as I wrote earlier in this thread but whatever) some very real privacy concerns, but you were posting abouut parental controls that have nothing to do with this. Microsoft won't activate parental controls on your account and send you e-mails about your own activity, whether you're on Windows 10, 8, 7 or vista.

Win10 seems like a privacy hellhole, no wonder they were giving out all these upgrades for free.

I feel sorry for every and any kid that gets his private sex life revealed to his or her parents, listed down in a fucking email. I can partly understanding using this kind of feature for a public computer, like one in the living room or whatever to keep track on where the fuck all that goddamn spyware is coming from so they can educate whoever is using the computer on what they're doing wrong that causes the pc to go fucking haywire. As long as they are made aware that the computer is logged it's no big deal. I can also partly understand using this kind of feature on a kids personal computer if the kid is... 8 or younger. Not quite in the holy grail of privacy yet and you can at least partly prevent them from frequently logging in on places they risk being exploited at, using this time as a chance to educate them as well as you can on proper internet safety measures. Anything else though is just disgusting and a complete breach of basic human rights to privacy, any parent using this kind of feature in that case is an invasive assholes that does not respect their childrens right to have their own life and their own interest. The least they should do is to make sure to tell their kid that they are being monitored before they ever use the bloody thing.