• U.S. cuts off talks with Russia over Syria amid worsening relations
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[QUOTE=King Tiger;51148945]How is that different than the US demanding Assad be removed as part of any final deal? It's completely ridiculous and might as well not even hold negotiations if that's an inarguable position.[/QUOTE] Assad is a war criminal who had caused this war and he's also utterly uncompromising as only peace deal he'll accept is compete surrender of all rebels and return to status quo. Basically, he'll only accept unconditional surrender from his opposition. I.E. unacceptable and uncompromising. Especially considering Assad's forces are operationally inoperable, as pretty much Iran backed foreign militias and Russian forces are doing all the work. [editline]4th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=gudman;51149611]Syria's fucked either way. There can only be one way to keep Assad in power - exterminate all opposition, because no one will just accept his rule after such a long conflict. And without him - power vacuum of such a scale that it'll most likely just destroy what's left of Syrian statehood and turn it into Sahara, in comparison Libyan scenario seems like the best outcome possible: Gaddafi hadn't had such a loyal social, economic and military elites due to ethnic reasons. Syria's deeply and truly fucked.[/QUOTE] Libya is close to reaching peace, in fact government and rebel ceasefire is holding since December 2015 without issues. Why? Because both sides are willing to compromise and realize neither can reach military victory. Unlike Assad who thinks he can still win all of Syria through military victory.
I still don't get why Russia feel the need to play around in Syria, do they have need to play great power like it's the old times? Being a friend of Assad, having a seaport. What are they going to use it for anyway? It's not the Cold War anymore, they don't need to do this.
im not sure why Raidyr has so much hate for Conscript, he is the only FPer outside of Russia who is spot on with the political issues around it.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51150574]im not sure why Raidyr has so much hate for Conscript, he is the only FPer outside of Russia who is spot on with the political issues around it.[/QUOTE] Because Conscript is pretty openly racist and xenophobic. The man believes multiculturalism to be a great evil and for races to be different on deep physical / mental levels and thus incompatible. Any other political views he has are thus suspect.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51150652]Because Conscript is pretty openly racist and xenophobic. The man believes multiculturalism to be a great evil and for races to be different on deep physical / mental levels and thus incompatible. Any other political views he has are thus suspect.[/QUOTE] When was this?
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51150574]im not sure why Raidyr has so much hate for Conscript, he is the only FPer outside of Russia who is spot on with the political issues around it.[/QUOTE] If by spot on you mean trying to justify Russia's baseless paranoia and their 19th century imperialistic ambitions in 21st century, then sure.
Jesus christ are they seriously about to start fucking World War 3 over some goddamn middle eastern shithole that is pretty much a post-apocalyptic wasteland at this point fuck Assad, just focus on wiping ISIS off the face of the earth for fucks sake
This thread isn't about me and my person has no impact on the validity of claims I make. [QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51150652]Because Conscript is pretty openly racist and xenophobic. The man believes multiculturalism to be a great evil and for races to be different on deep physical / mental levels and thus incompatible. Any other political views he has are thus suspect.[/QUOTE] Feel free to prove any of this slander. I've criticized multiculturalism, but only on the basis of it being a thinly veiled justification for economic changes that benefit the rich more than anything. I've also criticized the idea that we're all the same, but not unequal, because it means concluding that things like the lack of women in STEM is down to systemic sexism or that islam is just as backwards as christianity. These naive views are well intentioned but hurt people. Also, I've been talking about our foreign policy on here for 6 years and multiculturalism for far less, so that ad hom doesn't even make sense. [QUOTE=CroGamer002;51151589]If by spot on you mean trying to justify Russia's baseless paranoia and their 19th century imperialistic ambitions in 21st century, then sure.[/QUOTE] I like nuanced positions on world conflicts, not mindless black and white views that create two prior world wars. I get the feeling you're just projecting crap you're taught in a nationalist brand of croatian education, and frankly considering the history of the balkans we don't need any of that if we're interested in peace. Great powers don't work on paranoia and a country that speaks of a common market from Lisbon to vladivostok and repudiated it's own history out of a commitment to Western liberal values don't become 19th century imperialists. For all the talk about big bad russia, there's only one country that willingly gave up its own empire out of a sense of wrong side of history (de-colonization doesn't count since it came down to money after ww2 and communism in the third world). That Russia has gone soft nationalist and opposed to us speaks more to our failures to liberalize it after 1991, compared to our efforts with poland, and how the european project became a zero sum game for it. After that, it was inevitable that there'd be this rise of a popular figure that reigned in unpopular russian liberals, born from some of the world's worst wealth inequality, and would support the euro skeptics in the west in response to our state and NGO support for pro-western parties and movements in the east. Rather than enfranchise Russia as it should with anyone else, liberalism and democracy became a zero sum game where our gains were their losses, and so there was an easy and natural transition from the victory of liberalism and democracy in 1991 that everyone can and should get in on, to a pretty open collaboration between nationalists in eastern europe and a neoliberal governments in the west. This threatens to encircle russia with NATO bases and eventually break it up into its muscovite core. I understand the frustration with Russia, but the lack of a true end of history can't be chalked up to just one side of this equation. History doesn't work that way. I suggest you read this [url]http://jeffsachs.org/2012/03/what-i-did-in-russia/[/url]
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;51151739]Jesus christ are they seriously about to start fucking World War 3 over some goddamn middle eastern shithole that is pretty much a post-apocalyptic wasteland at this point fuck Assad, just focus on wiping ISIS off the face of the earth for fucks sake[/QUOTE] What's up with this tendency of someone going "no ww3 plz" every time either US or Russia starts throwing its toys out of the pram over geopolitical disagreements? No one's going to war over Syria (or ever), this particular issue probably doesn't even have any impact on (admittedly shitty) relations between the two countries right now. That's just diplomacy.
[QUOTE=DudesonFan;51151739]Jesus christ are they seriously about to start fucking World War 3 over some goddamn middle eastern shithole that is pretty much a post-apocalyptic wasteland at this point fuck Assad, just focus on wiping ISIS off the face of the earth for fucks sake[/QUOTE] "goddamn middle eastern shithole that is pretty much a post-apocalyptic wasteland at this point" Maybe you guys shouldn't have created and supported terrorists in the first place? Also if you are hating Middle Easterners so much, you might as well hate yourself. After all Europe is just a descent of Middle Easterners that moved up north over the years.
Russia just deployed a S-300 system in addition to the S-400 system already apparently there. In response to Questions by US officals as to WHY a S-300 system is needed in Syria the Russian Embassy in the USA tweeted this. [Media]http://twitter.com/RusEmbUSA/status/783648651943882752[/media] One day we will tell our children that WW3 was caused by memes. :v:
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