• Immigrant youths pretend smiling to shoot gun in background of crew reporting Paris terrorist attack
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While that might be false, there's [URL="http://www.atresplayer.com/television/noticias/antena-3/noticias-2/2015/noviembre/dia-17-putin-hollande-coordinan-ataques-siria_2015111700396.html"]this thing[/URL] that happened yesterday on spanish TV, minute 25:22, the guy says that he was friends with one of the terrorists, and when asked if the terrorist had radicalised he says that he can't answer that question, then does some weird gestures with his arms, and pretends to shoot towards the camera.
[QUOTE=D4RkHaZz;49138836]Yes, op is full of shit lol[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=rampageturke 2;49138831]I've seen people claiming its from some cricket match the Pakistanis won[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SonicHitman;49138825]so basically this whole thread is an irrelevant shit stir?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=D4RkHaZz;49138810]Apparently the video is from January 2015[/QUOTE] Completely wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about. The January 2015 video that you're talking about is a video where english-speaking Pakistani's in London are celebrating a cricketmatch victory in the streets which was used by right-wing-extremists completely wrongly as supposedly them celebrating terrorist attacks in London. I was one of the people actively fighting what was being said on social media since it was simply footage being misused to promote far-right racism. This is a completely different video that was broadcast on the 13th, on iTele. [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/paris-attacks-video-showing-london-muslims-celebrating-terror-attacks-is-fake-a6737296.html]The video that you mean is this. It's not at all what I am talking about. So you're full of shit I'm sorry to say.[/url]
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49138900]Completely wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about. The January 2015 video that you're talking about is a video where english-speaking Pakistani's in London are celebrating a cricketmatch victory in the streets which was used by right-wing-extremists completely wrongly as supposedly them celebrating terrorist attacks in London. I was one of the people actively fighting what was being said on social media since it was simply footage being misused to promote far-right racism. This is a completely different video that was broadcast on the 13th, on iTele. [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/paris-attacks-video-showing-london-muslims-celebrating-terror-attacks-is-fake-a6737296.html]The video that you mean is this. It's not at all what I am talking about. So you're full of shit I'm sorry to say.[/url][/QUOTE] I knew you'd say that. It's not that one though. Check the liveticker. The report is about the Charlie Hebdo attack from January 7th. Even you can do some thinking on your own from time to time, give it a try.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;49138783]I think we got off to the wrong foot Rumbler, so I'm willing to start again. Can you prove: 1)That they are recent immigrant descendants 2)That they're making gestures to specifically mock the people who died in Paris and 3) That they're doing it because they have not integrated into French society. [editline]18th November 2015[/editline] Because otherwise I just have to conclude you are profiling them[/QUOTE] You're going about this the completely wrong way. Yes I am profiling them as immigrants, or descendants of recent immigrants. Why? Because they camerateam there is in a 'ghetto'-area full of muslim (recent) migrants. I cannot prove they are doing it specifially to mock the people who died in Paris, nor can you disprove they arent. This is completely not the point of the video. It's incredible distateful what they are doing, and that is the point. The fact that they apparently lack the sense, or emotion, or awareness not the making machinegun gestures with a smile, when 129 of their fellow countrymen have been shot. That they are doing it because they have not integrated? Also the wrong way around. I'm saying the fact they are doing it is ONE of the signs THAT they are not integrated.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49138913]You're going about this the completely wrong way. Yes I am profiling them as immigrants, or descendants of recent immigrants. Why? Because they camerateam there is in a 'ghetto'-area full of muslim (recent) migrants. I cannot prove they are doing it specifially to mock the people who died in Paris, nor can you disprove they arent. This is completely not the point of the video. It's incredible distateful what they are doing, and that is the point. The fact that they apparently lack the sense, or emotion, or awareness not the making machinegun gestures with a smile, when 129 of their fellow countrymen have been shot. That they are doing it because they have not integrated? Also the wrong way around. I'm saying the fact they are doing it is ONE of the signs THAT they are not integrated.[/QUOTE] Troll confirmed, let's move on.
it's possible your racist or a shitposter\troll
And now you put me in the [url=http://puu.sh/lpSJE/0e44f89ddb.png]OP[/url] lmao are you serious?
Yes I am serious. You're looking at me posting this video, as if I'm trying to point and say "Look, they are all scum" Not at all the intention or the motivation. You knee-jerk to racism accusations so quickly. It's absolutely horrible. I've been engaged in several discussions the last few months, on- and offline with people for and people against. I notice EVERYONE is binairy. The people pro-immigration are 100% pro-immigrant and will deny everything that might be wrong and call everyone that has something negative to say racist and xenophobic. The anti-immigration people are all incredibly outspoken right-wingers who say that immigrants can't do anything right and who say not a single one should be in this country. I'm superceding this entire debate. I'm not talking about pro- or anti-immigration, Im talking about the real problems that are occuring and that are visible if you look for them. I've posted crimestatistics, healthstatistics, welfare-dependancy-statistics all in [b]relativity NOT to native Dutchmen, but to groups of immigrants that have a non rural-islamic-background.[/b] The fact is that these people, factually, have way more problems than any other group to succesfully integrate, and the lax attitude that our politicians have towards solving this problem in the name of tolerance is only making things worse. The point of sharing this video is that there are symptoms showing this all over the place, from very large to very 'small' like the incident on this video. Not being able to speak about it, because if you do you'll be accused of racism and xenophobia, is actually aggrevating the problem Yes, that you people. You think you are defending the immigrants, but instead you're condemning them to a life where they will always be second-grade citizens that are non-integrated, that are welfare-dependant and overrepresented in crimestatistics. Don't you people realize that solving this is not only beneficial to the natives, but also the immigrants that are already here. You're basically calling me a racist xenophobe for wanting to solve a problem that is making it very difficult for immigrants to function here.
"I haven't said a word about terrorism" P.s all of your threads are racist, misleading and xenophobic. It's pretty clear your just trying to stir a pot and/or bait
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49138951]Yes I am serious. You're looking at me posting this video, as if I'm trying to point and say "Look, they are all scum" Not at all the intention or the motivation. You knee-jerk to racism accusations so quickly. It's absolutely horrible. I've been engaged in several discussions the last few months, on- and offline with people for and people against. Blah blah blah[/QUOTE] You have posted a video from the beginning of the year claiming it's a reaction to the recent attacks. Nothing you've said in this post changes that. You're either unbelievably dense or a troll, my money's on the latter since you've been spamming articles about this topic too.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49138951]blabla[/QUOTE] Can't recall calling you a racist even though it should be fairly obvious at this point. Maybe try reading my earlier post and edit your op stating that you're sorry for taking an old news report from the Charlie Hebdo incident out of context, thanks.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49138972]You have posted a video from the beginning of the year claiming it's a reaction to the recent attacks. Nothing you've said in this post changes that. You're either unbelievably dense or a troll, my money's on the latter since you've been spamming articles about this topic too.[/QUOTE] I just found out that you guys are right about that. It's not a video from the last attacks in Paris. It's actually of the Paris attacks in january. Doesn't change my point, but I'll gladly update OP for information-sake. But can you guys at least acknowledge that this isn't whatsoever important to the message that I'm trying to get across? The point wasn't to stir shit about terrorism. It's about the behaviour of youth immigrants (from whatever generation) in response to terrorist attacks. Wether it be in january or november, they're both terrorist attacks and this youth thinks it's funny to pretend to fire a machinegun at the camera team reporting it. It's a sign on non-integration, and symptomatic of the problem we need to adress. Calling me a racist or xenophobe is completely dishonest of you guys.
[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49138621]easy; deport them and see how much they smile when that's an actual AK being pointed at *them*[/QUOTE] Well, You are after all offering them refuse and they aren't immigrating or they would be doing that the correct way.
[QUOTE=D4RkHaZz;49138978]Can't recall calling you a racist even though it should be fairly obvious at this point. Maybe try reading my earlier post and edit your op stating that you're sorry for taking an old news report from the Charlie Hebdo incident out of context, thanks.[/QUOTE] How is it clear I'm racist for being mistaken about the specific terrorist attack that the footage was about. You are seriously not understanding what I'm trying to say, since you kneejerk to accusations immediately. I'm unable to penetrate your accusations to get into your mind where you actually start thinking about what I"m saying. You don't and couldn't know that I'm in reality actively involved in local politics and how much of my time I spend with this problematic group as a "neighbourhoodfather". I can see it going wrong completely, and the only people trying to do something about it are the moderates. The leftwing-people like you are poisoning the discussion completely by calling racism, and the rightwingpeople are truly being racist which also fucking poisons the discussion. Meanwhile the real problems keep accumulating, and aren't being effectively discussed. Thanks for proving my point once again. Especially on the internet people absolutely lack any sense of nuance.
[QUOTE=Rumbler;49138994]I just found out that you guys are right about that. It's not a video from the last attacks in Paris. It's actually of the Paris attacks in january. Doesn't change my point, but I'll gladly update OP for information-sake. But can you guys at least acknowledge that this isn't whatsoever important to the message that I'm trying to get across? The point wasn't to stir shit about terrorism. It's about the behaviour of youth immigrants (from whatever generation) in response to terrorist attacks. Wether it be in january or november, they're both terrorist attacks and this youth thinks it's funny to pretend to fire a machinegun at the camera team reporting it. It's a sign on non-integration, and symptomatic of the problem we need to adress. Calling me a racist or xenophobe is completely dishonest of you guys.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what kind of social agenda you're trying to derive from a 20 second video you know nothing about. Your intentions were obvious so don't even try to put all that crap in perspective now.
Verify your fuckin sources for Christ's sake. Posting old footage of unrelated shit rebranded to prove your narrative. Literal propaganda. Get real.
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