• Groping women force barmen to give up kilts
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[QUOTE=Faunze;48214263]And not everyone recoils in disgust either, being a server and barman myself it's happened more than once, to a man I don't think it's as intimidating or as scary, because there are very real differences between a group of men ganging up on a girl and a group of women on a guy, both give me boners however.[/QUOTE] Maybe there are some differences, but the bottom line should be that if someone is being touched who doesn't want to and the only way to prevent it is to wear something different (kilts are totally asking for it amirite) should be considered sexual harassment. Has a female ever sexual harassed you when you were serving?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;48195775]Yes, because men are in a position of power, ergo you can't be sexist or discriminate against them! Jeesh, get with the times![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Solo Wing;48194608]But, I thought sexual harassment against men didn't exist. The Internet told me so! :v:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Glitchman;48194733]I wonder if this kind of stuff can be countered with the "men are in a position of power" argument. I mean, sexual harassment is sexual harassment regardless of gender for me.[/QUOTE] y'know, the vast majority of people who believe the 'men can't be sexually abused' myth are actually people who were raised to believe in 'tradtional' understandings of gender, i.e. "men are supposed to be sex-hungry rhinoceros that are stronger than women in every single capacity and if they aren't then they deserve to be laughed at." that group of people is much, much larger and much more politically significant than any small enclave of internet radfem crazy. when feminists [I]do[/I] downplay these issues, it usually has more to do with broader debates on the subject. when someone says that men are also raped and sexually abused, it's often seen in the context of a debate as a red herring, a way of somehow refuting the notion that women are still treated unequally in society, and that the cause of forwarding gender equality should halt because "men have the same problems, man!". the result is that the feminists aforementioned, well-intentioned or otherwise, will try to say that it's an exceedingly rare occurrence that doesn't need as much attention. in other words, the reason that they downplay male sexual abuse is because the mere existence of male sexual abuse is also used to downplay gender inequality. of course, both sides in this situation are in the wrong in some aspects: rape of both men and women is a societal ill that needs to be addressed, and human rights are not and never have been a zero-sum game.
[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48214318]Maybe there are some differences, but the bottom line should be that if someone is being touched who doesn't want to and the only way to prevent it is to wear something different (kilts are totally asking for it amirite) should be considered sexual harassment. Has a female ever sexual harassed you when you were serving?[/QUOTE] I should note I'm also Scottish, and yes you are right, Scottish women are as bad as foreign women for it, I've actually seen a woman walking up to a guy, both really drunk, didn't know eachother, and without a word lifted up his kilt and started giving him a handjob right outside a bar. I don't wear them at work but I did do cocktail parties and hen nights, which was just full of women asking me to get my cock out and yada yada, all part of the job and part of their experience in my opinion, still, no means no, but In this line of work it has to be expected on both sides, and it does happen to both.
Reading this reminded me of a similar situation I faced when I worked in a bar. I was collecting glasses as per usual when I went over to a table of middle aged women who were quite drunk. While I was trying to collect glasses from their table they danced around me and took my glass collecting tray. They made some remarks, pinched my bum, lifted the appron I wore (the short kind bar staff wear) as if it was a skirt and grinded on me kinda inappropriately. I told the girls who were working the shift and everyone found it quite funny. No one, not even my boss, took the event seriously let alone suggested it could be sexual assault. Then again it was a one off and I wasn't exactly traumatised bu it.
Where do these kind of things even happen? Bars mostly?
[QUOTE=Boomslang;48214975]Reading this reminded me of a similar situation I faced when I worked in a bar. I was collecting glasses as per usual when I went over to a table of middle aged women who were quite drunk. While I was trying to collect glasses from their table they danced around me and took my glass collecting tray. They made some remarks, pinched my bum, lifted the appron I wore (the short kind bar staff wear) as if it was a skirt and grinded on me kinda inappropriately. I told the girls who were working the shift and everyone found it quite funny. No one, not even my boss, took the event seriously let alone suggested it could be sexual assault. Then again it was a one off and I wasn't exactly traumatised bu it.[/QUOTE] If that happened at my restaurant, the server would go dick around the back for a while and it would just go unsaid that you would cover his other tables until the bad one left. There would certainly be jokes, but thats to raise spirits not smash them down.
[QUOTE=joes33431;48214380] when feminists [I]do[/I] downplay these issues, it usually has more to do with broader debates on the subject. when someone says that men are also raped and sexually abused, it's often seen in the context of a debate as a red herring, a way of somehow refuting the notion that women are still treated unequally in society, and that the cause of forwarding gender equality should halt because "men have the same problems, man!". the result is that the feminists aforementioned, well-intentioned or otherwise, will try to say that it's an exceedingly rare occurrence that doesn't need as much attention. in other words, the reason that they downplay male sexual abuse is because the mere existence of male sexual abuse is also used to downplay gender inequality. of course, both sides in this situation are in the wrong in some aspects: rape of both men and women is a societal ill that needs to be addressed, and human rights are not and never have been a zero-sum game.[/QUOTE] But that's the thing, men DO get sexually abused as much as women do (at least in western society, but in the middle east they usually just get killed instead). If you like, I could show you the CDC reports on rape, the studies on marital abuse, the "man walks in new york city for 10 hours" video, the studies on online harassment, anything you like. The point is that when you downplay an issue you are directly saying the issue doesn't exist or doesn't matter when it happens to men. Why is it necessary to downplay the suffering of others and erase their identities as human beings in order to support your own activist movement? Why not just do your own thing, fight for whatever cause you want to fight for, without attacking other people who are dealing with tangential issues. It's like, hypothetically, trying to attack civil rights activists because you believe the plight that woman face is greater than the plight of black men. Who cares? You're supposedly trying to do a good thing and yet all you're doing is purposely sabotaging other people trying to do a good thing. All this time feminists spend arguing with MRAs could be spent actually helping people, and vice versa. And yet all you guys seem to care about is your precious egos, feeling good because you're such a perfectly wonderful human being-unlike those redditors and uninitiated normies who don't post expletives on twitter for a living. I'm sorry, but it's honestly frustrating and quite pathetic really.
It sickens me that there are actually people in this thread arguing that this is OK.
[QUOTE=Boomslang;48214975]I told the girls who were working the shift and everyone found it quite funny. No one, not even my boss, took the event seriously let alone suggested it could be sexual assault.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Blackfire76;48227556]It sickens me that there are actually people in this thread arguing that this is OK.[/QUOTE] People touching somebody else's genitals without permission is sexual harassment. Its shameful that people think that its only bad if men do it to women. I personally think the prevalence of this kind of thinking comes from the feminist focus of demonizing men. "Teach men not to rape" etc and not giving women the same criticisms. Not to suggest that traditional views on women don't come into play, they obviously do but I think the above point is also an important part of this problem.
[QUOTE=Zyler;48227506]But that's the thing, men DO get sexually abused as much as women do (at least in western society, but in the middle east they usually just get killed instead). If you like, I could show you the CDC reports on rape, the studies on marital abuse, the "man walks in new york city for 10 hours" video, the studies on online harassment, anything you like. The point is that when you downplay an issue you are directly saying the issue doesn't exist or doesn't matter when it happens to men. Why is it necessary to downplay the suffering of others and erase their identities as human beings in order to support your own activist movement? Why not just do your own thing, fight for whatever cause you want to fight for, without attacking other people who are dealing with tangential issues. It's like, hypothetically, trying to attack civil rights activists because you believe the plight that woman face is greater than the plight of black men. Who cares? You're supposedly trying to do a good thing and yet all you're doing is purposely sabotaging other people trying to do a good thing. All this time feminists spend arguing with MRAs could be spent actually helping people, and vice versa. And yet all you guys seem to care about is your precious egos, feeling good because you're such a perfectly wonderful human being-unlike those redditors and uninitiated normies who don't post expletives on twitter for a living. I'm sorry, but it's honestly frustrating and quite pathetic really.[/QUOTE] i never disputed any of these things i know that male sexual abuse is a real issue and i know that human rights isn't a zero-sum game, i said that verbatim i was just presenting what the other, underrepresented viewpoint usually has to say, and the context for what it, because it's important to understand what your ideological adversary actually thinks, rather than making wildly speculative claims on what you [I]think[/I] they think.
[QUOTE=joes33431;48227634]i never disputed any of these things i know that male sexual abuse is a real issue and i know that human rights isn't a zero-sum game, i said that verbatim i was just presenting what the other, underrepresented viewpoint usually has to say, and the context for what it, because it's important to understand what your ideological adversary actually thinks, rather than making wildly speculative claims on what you [I]think[/I] they think.[/QUOTE] I wasn't arguing that YOU (as in you, joes33431) think that, I was arguing my problem with that kind of thinking. The "you" in my post was the general "you people" kind of you and I was addressing the people who think that way. I was just talking to the idea that you (joe33431, in this case) suggested that some people have.
[QUOTE=Zyler;48227669]I wasn't arguing that YOU (as in you, joes33431) think that, I was arguing my problem with that kind of thinking. The "you" in my post was the general "you people" kind of you and I was addressing the people who think that way.[/QUOTE] oh okay. my mistake, then.
[QUOTE=Ripmax;48194574][url]http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/News/Groping-women-force-barmen-to-give-up-kilts-10072015.htm[/url][/QUOTE] Another example of annoying fucking tourists bothering people in traditional dress; it's not even a UK problem but god how can you be more disgusting.
I wear boxers under my kilt , at highland games there are creepy girls who take cameras and take pictures of whats underneath... seen it.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48227618]People touching somebody else's genitals without permission is sexual harassment. Its shameful that people think that its only bad if men do it to women. I personally think the prevalence of this kind of thinking comes from the feminist focus of demonizing men. "Teach men not to rape" etc and not giving women the same criticisms. Not to suggest that traditional views on women don't come into play, they obviously do but I think the above point is also an important part of this problem.[/QUOTE] I don't think anybody is focused on demonizing men (or at least, no more focused than you are at demonizing feminists). Sexual abuse affects more men than women, full stop. That is not to say that men can't be sexually abused, of course, and any resources that are there to help abused men are strictly a good thing. [editline]20th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zyler;48227506]But that's the thing, men DO get sexually abused as much as women do (at least in western society, but in the middle east they usually just get killed instead). If you like, I could show you the CDC reports on rape, the studies on marital abuse, the "man walks in new york city for 10 hours" video, the studies on online harassment, anything you like. [/QUOTE] Would you mind showing me these stats? everything I've ever seen doing research shows women are more often victims/more severely victims than men.
[QUOTE]Would you mind showing me these stats? everything I've ever seen doing research shows women are more often victims/more severely victims than men.[/QUOTE] Keep in mind this is about the western world, if we talk about the Middle East and Asia then it's a completely different situation. [url=http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/21/us-more-men-raped-than-women]More men are raped in prison than women are anywhere.[/url] [QUOTE]In January, prodded in part by outrage over a series of articles in the New York Review of Books, the Justice Department finally released an estimate of the prevalence of sexual abuse in penitentiaries. The reliance on filed complaints appeared to understate the problem. For 2008, for example, the government had previously tallied 935 confirmed instances of sexual abuse. After asking around, and performing some calculations, the Justice Department came up with a new number: 216,000. That's 216,000 victims, not instances. These victims are often assaulted multiple times over the course of the year. The Justice Department now seems to be saying that prison rape accounted for the majority of all rapes committed in the US in 2008, likely making the United States the first country in the history of the world to count more rapes for men than for women.[/QUOTE] Keep in mind that it's unlikely that these 216,000 victims literally popped out of nowhere, this study is the first time this kind of analysis has been run and it's highly possible that the amount of rape in male prisons has been the same or even higher over many previous years. [url=http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss6308.pdf]This CDC study concludes that there are just about as many examples of men being 'made to penetrate' as there are examples of female rape. Do you consider being forced to have sex against your will and without your consent to be rape?[/url] Here's the specific part I'm talking about: [img]http://i.imgur.com/Ps9wW.jpg?1[/img] [url=http://demos.co.uk/press_releases/demosmalecelebritiesreceivemoreabuseontwitterthanw omen]Men receive more twitter harassment than women[/url] Social experiments show that both men and women react when a man is seen abusing their female partner in public, but neither men or women react when a woman is abusing their male partner in public. [video=youtube;LlFAd4YdQks]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks[/video] [url=http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID45-PR45.pdf]3% of men worldwide report coerced or forced sex in their heterosexual relationships and so do 2.3% of women[/url] [url=http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/svjfry09.pdf]Sexual Victimization in Juvenile Facilities Reported by Youth, 2008-09[/url] [quote]Most victims of staff sexual misconduct were males; most perpetrators were females. Among male victims of staff sexual misconduct, 69% of those in prison and 64% of those in jails reported sexual activity with female staff. An additional 16% of prison inmates and 18% of jail inmates reported sexual activity with both female and male staff.[/quote] [url=http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpjri0809.pdf]Sexual Victimization in Prisons and Jails Reported by Inmates, 2008-09[/url] [QUOTE]Males were just as likely to be sexually exploited as females. Among younger street-involved youth (ages 12-18), a greater percentage of males were exploited (34% vs. 27% of females in 2006). Among older street-involved youth (ages 19-25), a higher percentage of females reported sexual exploitation (53% females vs. 32% males).[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Although the majority of youth (70%) had been exploited by males, half of youth (50%) had also been exploited by females.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.nursing.ubc.ca/PDFs/ItsNotWhatYouThink.pdf]It’s Not What You Think: Sexually Exploited Youth in British Columbia[/url] [QUOTE]50% of violent relationships are characterized by mutual violence, more often initiated and sustained by the woman as she is the one who hits first and more frequently. In the 50% of relationships that are characterized by unilateral violence, 70% is a woman beating a man.[/QUOTE] [url=http://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm]REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS:AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY[/url] This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600. That's right, there's a scientific consensus that women are just as violent as men are. [url=http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf]This Harvard survey found that 50% of couples were mutually violent. In these couples women hit first and more often. it also found that in 70% of unilaterally violent couples, it was the wife who was the violent partner.[/url] Here's the part I'm talking about: [img]http://i.imgur.com/cxY25EC.png[/img] Male experience of rape: [video=youtube;Ikd0ZYQoDko]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikd0ZYQoDko[/video]
I wish we had ratings; instead I'll post how impressed I am with all the data Zyler has sourced.
First off: I want to make it clear. The sexual abuse of men is awful, and society overlooks it in many ways. I support 100% any initiatives taken to help the victims of sexual violence male or female, and even if it happens at a lower rate that does not mean that it is in any way "better" or "more okay". It is still absolutely awful and disgusting. However, using it to shut down conversations about sexual violence against women is just as wrong, and that's what I'm seeing too much of. Kudos, these are a lot of sources. However, I really get the feeling you just copied a /r/mensrights copypasta without inspecting it or reading the sources for yourself. Assorted observations: [quote]Guardian article, prison rape articles[/quote] Not that I want to dispute RAINN's numbers, but the CDC stats you linked below show that 1,270,000 women alone were estimated to have been raped in 2010 according to the CDC, IDK about the numbers here. Prison rape and sexual assault are bad, and do disproportionately affect men. Incidentally, the term Rape Culture, which gets a lot of the internet recoiling in rage, was actually first used in a feminist documentary that discussed prison rape and the cultural attitudes around it - one of the first works that really brought the issue into the public eye. ED: Ohb yeah, and another quote from the article: [quote]"Inmates" also does not translate to "men". There are a whole lot of women in jail, and female prisoners are twice as likely to experience inmate-on-inmate sexual assault (male inmates are slightly more likely to experience assault at the hands of prison staff).[/quote] [quote]CDC study[/quote] Those numbers aren't in the PDF you've linked, which is for 2011, not 2010. [url=http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf]This is the correct PDF[/url]. Moreover, looking at just the rape and made to penetrate stats for the 12 month period is disingenuous. Sexual abuse happens in more than the past 12 months. Look at the numbers beside those: Women are subject to other sexual violence (including made to penetrate) at twice the rate of men. The number of women who have been raped is over 4 times the number of men that have been forced to penetrate. And that's just looking at the sexual violence statistics. The Intimate Partner Violence stats are almost universally higher for women. The only one I could find that wasn't was psychological aggression - You cite this below. [quote]BC study[/quote] That quote discusses PERPETRATORS, rather than victims. Other quotes from the same source (that better support your point, even!): [quote] Among younger street-involved youth (ages 12-18), a greater percentage of males were exploited (34% vs. 27% of females in 2006). Among older street-involved youth (ages 19-25), a higher percentage of females reported sexual exploitation (53% females vs. 32% males). [/quote] Interesting stats in that paper. I'll have to give it a more through read sometime. [quote]Harvard Study[/quote] You actually linked the proper 2010 CDC study this time, but that's not a Harvard study. That's two times you've cited this study incorrectly in this post... [quote]youtube videos[/quote] As much as I like "Why Rape Is Sincerely Hilarious" for it's power, I asked for citations, not youtube videos. I'm already on board, sexual violence is bad no matter the gender of the victim. AGAIN: I want to make it clear. The sexual abuse of men is awful, and society overlooks it in many ways. I support 100% any initiatives taken to help the victims of sexual violence male or female, and even if it happens at a lower rate that does not mean that it is in any way "better" or "more okay". It is still absolutely awful and disgusting. However, using it to shut down conversations about sexual violence against women is just as wrong, and that's what I'm seeing too much of. You can campaign for men without minimizing women.
Zyler, is there a place where this kind of information is collected so we can see more? I want to see more because none of the media ever covers this and it seems like a pretty big deal to me especially in the wake of things like GamerGate and the incredible levels of SJW hostility playing out on the internet. [QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48258242]You can campaign for men without minimizing women.[/QUOTE] I feel like you might want to tell the feminists that...
[QUOTE=FlakAttack;48258253]Zyler, is there a place where this kind of information is collected so we can see more? I want to see more because none of the media ever covers this and it seems like a pretty big deal to me especially in the wake of things like GamerGate and the incredible levels of SJW hostility playing out on the internet.[/QUOTE] Dude cited the same study incorrectly twice. You should really find a better source.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48258242]- Stuff -[/QUOTE] I like how your response to someone answering your request for sources on a claim that men are equally, if not more often, the victims of abuse than women is spending an hour meticulously tearing it apart and then repeating the exact same thing you said before.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48258255]Dude cited the same study incorrectly twice. You should really find a better source.[/QUOTE] It's tough to find sources because no one seems to talk about it except for tinfoiled redpillers, and I was hoping to not have to spend hours sorting truth from bullshit. And the feminists are no help because if you ask for this info the best case scenario is you get ignored.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48258262]I like how your response to someone answering your request for sources on a claim that men are equally, if not more often, the victims of abuse than women is spending an hour meticulously tearing it apart and then repeating the exact same thing you said before.[/QUOTE] A) this took way less than an hour B) I like to look into the information I'm presented rather than taking it at face value. I looked into it and gave my response.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48258242] However, I really get the feeling you just copied a /r/mensrights copypasta without inspecting it or reading the sources for yourself.[/QUOTE] I didn't copy-paste this from reddit, thanks for assuming I couldn't compile this stuff myself. [QUOTE]Not that I want to dispute RAINN's numbers, but the CDC stats you linked below show that 1,270,000 women alone were estimated to have been raped in 2010 according to the CDC, IDK about the numbers here.[/QUOTE] An equal number of men were being 'made to penetrate' [QUOTE]Prison rape and sexual assault are bad, and do disproportionately affect men.[/QUOTE] Rape in prison is also more common than rape anywhere else. [QUOTE]Those numbers aren't in the PDF you've linked, which is for 2011, not 2010.[/QUOTE] Yes, the study was done two years in a row, my mistake. Both examples from 2010 and 2011 show a 50/50 divide between female rape and male 'made to penetrate' [QUOTE]Moreover, looking at just the rape and made to penetrate stats for the 12 month period is disingenuous. Sexual abuse happens in more than the past 12 months. Look at the numbers beside those: Women are subject to other sexual violence (including made to penetrate) at twice the rate of men. The number of women who have been raped is over 4 times the number of men that have been forced to penetrate.[/QUOTE] Why would the results somehow change between 12 months and over a lifetime for the same people? The study was done two years in a row with the same results. The only answer is that rape survivors re-contextualise their experiences in the same way as the Andrew Bailey video or that cases of male rape have gone up in the last few years. [quote]And that's just looking at the sexual violence statistics. The Intimate Partner Violence stats are almost universally higher for women. The only one I could find that wasn't was psychological aggression - You cite this below.[/quote] How do you get that from this?: [quote]50% of violent relationships are characterized by mutual violence, more often initiated and sustained by the woman as she is the one who hits first and more frequently. [b]In the 50% of relationships that are characterized by unilateral violence, 70% is a woman beating a man.[/b][/quote] Also, why do you think psychological violence and emotional harm is any less significant than physical harm? [QUOTE]As much as I like "Why Rape Is Sincerely Hilarious" for it's power, I asked for citations, not youtube videos. I'm already on board, sexual violence is bad no matter the gender of the victim.[/QUOTE] I said originally I would show you videos and stuff. [QUOTE=Zyler;48227506]But that's the thing, men DO get sexually abused as much as women do (at least in western society, but in the middle east they usually just get killed instead). If you like, I could show you the CDC reports on rape, the studies on marital abuse, [b]the "man walks in new york city for 10 hours" video[/b], the studies on online harassment, anything you like.[/QUOTE] I think the video is important for contextualizing the argument. You also didn't respond to this: [url=http://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm]REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS:AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY[/url] The weight of over 500 combined studies that you haven't addressed. Here's just a few of the statistics from that study: [quote]Amendt, G. (2008). I didn’t divorce my kids!: How fathers deal with family break-ups. Campus Verlag Publishers. (In Chapter 5 author presents data from an internet survey of 3600 divorced German fathers. [b]Results reveal that 1/3 of men reported episodes of physical violence during the divorce process and 2/3 of these were initiated by ex-partners.[/b]) Archer, J. (2000). Sex differences in aggression between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review. Psychological Bulletin, 126, 651-680. ([b]Meta-analyses of sex differences in physical aggression indicate that women were more likely than men to “use one or more acts of physical aggression and to use such acts more frequently.” In terms of injuries, women were somewhat more likely to be injured, and analyses reveal that 62% of those injured were women.[/b]) Archer, J. (2002). Sex differences in physically aggressive acts between heterosexual partners: A meta-analytic review. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 7, 213-351. (Analyzing responses to the Conflict Tactic Scale and using a data set somewhat different from the previous 2000 publication, [b]the author reports that women are more likely than men to throw something at their partners, as well as slap, kick, bite, punch and hit with an object.[/b] Men were more likely than women to strangle, choke, or beat up their partners.) Archer, J., & Ray, N. (1989). Dating violence in the United Kingdom: a preliminary study. Aggressive Behavior, 15, 337-343. (Twenty three dating couples completed the Conflict Tactics scale. [b]Results indicate that women were significantly more likely than their male partners to express physical violence.[/b] Authors also report that, "measures of partner agreement were high" and that the correlation between past and present violence was low.) Arias, I., Samios, M., & O'Leary, K. D. (1987). Prevalence and correlates of physical aggression during courtship. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 2, 82-90. (Used Conflict Tactics Scale with a sample of 270 undergraduates <95 men, 175 women> and [b]found 30% of men and 49% of women reported using some form of aggression in their dating histories with a greater percentage of women engaging in severe physical aggression.[/b]) Arriaga, X. B., & Foshee, V. A. (2004). Adolescent dating violence. Do adolescents follow in their friends' or their parents' footsteps? Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 19, 162-184. (A modified version of Conflict Tactics Scale was administered on two occasions, 6 months apart, to 526 adolescents, <280 girls, 246 boys> whose median age was 13. [b]Results reveal that 28% of girls reported perpetrating violence with their partners <17% moderate, 11% severe> on occasion one, while 42% of girls reported perpetrating violence <25% moderate, 17% severe> on occasion two. For boys, 11% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 5% severe> on occasion one, while 21% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 15% severe> on occasion two. In terms of victimization, 33% of girls, and 38% of boys reported being victims of partner aggression on occasion one and 47% of girls and 49% of boys reported victimization on occasion two.[/b] etc.[/quote] [QUOTE]That quote discusses PERPETRATORS, rather than victims.[/QUOTE] Which is to prove the point that both men and women are equally violent to their partners. If women make up 50% of the perpetrators of heterosexual partner violence, then who do you think are the victims? [QUOTE]"Inmates" also does not translate to "men". There are a whole lot of women in jail, and female prisoners are twice as likely to experience inmate-on-inmate sexual assault [b](male inmates are slightly more likely to experience assault at the hands of prison staff)[/b].[/QUOTE] The key here is that there are A) far more men in prison than women (I shouldn't think I need to cite a study for this) so the sample size is warped B) male inmates experience a lot more assault at the hands of prison staff than female prisoners are likely to experience inmate-on-inmate sexual assault. Pretty much all you've managed to do is point out where I've formatted the post wrong because I was rushing to get everything down and linked things incorrectly. You haven't disproven anything in the studies themselves.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;48194850]This shit is way overlooked. I was in hot water this weekend when this girl I know asked me to buy her a drink. While I was waiting at the bar, she started rubbing my arms and back and whatnot (she was very drunk). My girlfriend was nearby and she saw this happening. I didn't want to tell the girl to fuck off because that would be seen as "rude", but I obviously wanted her to stop. My story is tame compared to this. And given that the men were bar staff, this makes for a hostile work environment which makes it even worse.[/QUOTE] Rubbing your back and arms while she was drunk?! Shocking behavior! From a girl you actually know?! Really dude cmon
[QUOTE=Zyler;48258293]I didn't copy-paste this from reddit, thanks for assuming I couldn't compile this stuff myself. [/QUOTE] Hell, given that your links were fucked assuming this was a copypasta was giving you the benefit of the doubt IMO. I appreciate your effort, but as I've said it hasn't really proved to me that sexual violence against men is as common as sexual violence against women.
[QUOTE=Faunze;48214419]I should note I'm also Scottish, and yes you are right, Scottish women are as bad as foreign women for it, I've actually seen a woman walking up to a guy, both really drunk, didn't know eachother, and without a word lifted up his kilt and started giving him a handjob right outside a bar. I don't wear them at work but I did do cocktail parties and hen nights, which was just full of women asking me to get my cock out and yada yada, all part of the job and part of their experience in my opinion, still, no means no, but In this line of work it has to be expected on both sides, and it does happen to both.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. Hen parties especially get crazy scary if you're wearing a kilt when they're in the same pub or whatever.
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48259260]Hell, given that your links were fucked assuming this was a copypasta was giving you the benefit of the doubt IMO. [B]I appreciate your effort, but as I've said it hasn't really proved to me that sexual violence against men is as common as sexual violence against women.[/B][/QUOTE] Why did you waste everyone's time by asking for something you'd just deny anyway?
[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48259260]Hell, given that your links were fucked assuming this was a copypasta was giving you the benefit of the doubt IMO. I appreciate your effort, but as I've said it hasn't really proved to me that sexual violence against men is as common as sexual violence against women.[/QUOTE] You are part the problem and have fully joined in the "rape culture" you claim to rally against.
For real, the writing is on the walls, very clearly, from actual legitimate institutions like the CDC and Harvard. Just what WOULD it take to convince you, by chance? Is there even anything that would convince you?
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