British public back a ban on burqa by two to one, poll finds - Polidicks

[QUOTE=nickohlus;50983090]Please try to remember that the burqa is the dress that completely conceals the face and the body with only a slit (IF THAT) for the eyes. It's not the hijab, it's not the head scarf. This is the same story as the burqini one, just in a different form and country. Let's try to build on it. Let's talk about freedom of expression. Whose freedoms are being violated by banning the burqa? First of all, anyone who wants to wear a burqa. Let's get that out of the way. Yes, the practice of wearing essentially a trash bag that completely CONCEALS identity and expression is under threat. Should Britain be allowed to question this 'cultural' practice just because their culture sees it as wrong? Here's a better question, [i]is it actually a cultural practice?[/i] I think I can answer this with confidence and say, [i]no, it's a practice of extreme RELIGIOUS fundamentalism.[/i] If you disagree with me here, I'd invite you to ask yourself what would make a person WANT to wear a trash bag out on a hot summer's day, other than their religious convictions or the male counterpart who holds the same convictions. Here's my straightforward opinion, and [b]tl;dr:[/b] The burqa in itself is a violation of the free speech of the woman wearing it, regardless of whether or not she "wants to express her religious beliefs," because it involves an unwitting submission on their part to surrender any possibility of expression without any sort of struggle whatsoever.[/QUOTE] this is turning into "any time a woman has sex with a man it's rape"-tier logic.

[QUOTE=Gizmodo456;50983079]Where is your evidence that Muslim women are trying to hide their identity. If that was true they wouldn't be able to have a conversation or use a credit card etc. The whole argumentis flawed. You can't identify them so you assume they are hiding something sinister. I don't understand why people feel so threatened and cowered by women covering their faces. It's just bonkers.[/QUOTE] The idea of a burka is to hide the facial features amongst other things to remain within the qouran guidelines of modesty. If there was no need to hide facial features there would be burkas that were transparent, there are no... there are however hijabs that are transparent or are worn in a way that does not hide identity. Why is this so hard?

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50983101]the answer to that question is the part you didn't quote. there is a difference between trying to hide your identity/facial features and wearing something that does. In this case intent does matter.[/QUOTE] can you source this balaclava law, because the only law about it I can find is one saying the police can disrobe you or demand that you uncover your face [I]during a riot[/I]

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50983112]The idea of a burka is to hide the facial features amongst other things to remain within the qouran guidelines of modesty. If there was no need to hide facial features there would be burkas that were transparent, there are no... there are however hijabs that are transparent or are worn in a way that does not hide identity. Why is this so hard?[/QUOTE] Understanding your point is hard because you've added 2 + 2 and got 63. If I cannot see your nose You are hiding your identity Therefore you are untrustworthy and I feel triggered So you must show your nose It's just madness that it even matters to you whether a stranger in the street is showing you their nose.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50983098]So you want to "save" someone regardless of whether or not they actually want to be "saved". what else could we apply that to? Should the government save us from cigarettes and alcohol, regardless of whether or not we want to be saved? Should the government save us from excessive internet use? Should a bride be disallowed from wearing a veil at her wedding? It serves the same purpose. To what degree does the government have to right to intervene? Those questions are rehtorical but I would sorta like to see an answer[/QUOTE] I get that you're drawing lines here in order to understand the framing of the actual question everyone in this thread wants to ask, but I think you're looking in the wrong places, or drawing too blurry of lines. I can answer your first one, though. I personally smoke a lot of cigarettes. I try to be kind about it, you know. I don't smoke around kids, babies. I don't smoke next to doors or other high traffic areas. I get it, it's a disgusting habit and it's bad for me, but I like it, ya know. Here's the important part: [i]my smoking cigarettes does not violate anyone else's right not to do so or otherwise.[/i] It's 100% completely dependent upon MY decision to spend time killing my lungs. By wearing a burqa, by censoring your entire existence essentially, you are actually violating MY freedom of expression in addition to yours, because, as Hitchens puts it, "It's not just the right of the person who speaks to be heard, it is the right of everyone in the audience to listen, and to hear. And every time you silence somebody you make yourself a prisoner of your own action, because you deny yourself right to hear something." [url]https://youtu.be/jyoOfRog1EM?t=1m52s[/url] Whether or not it's the women themselves 'choosing' to completely censor themselves or by other forces, it's violating my right to meet that person and learn about them. But I'm personally not very much affected by that, I don't regularly feel a powerful urge to go and introduce myself to everyone I see in a body/face concealing regiment (I wonder why that is? Hmmm...) The part that gets me is it's either greatly minimizing or completely stripping the right of the person wearing the burqa to do the same. She can't walk up to some stranger and start talking because they dropped their pen (or again the chances are much, much more minimized) or any other sort of mysterious, unknown and delightful experience that [i][u]we call 'just a part of life,' because we've been living in the midst of so much liberty in this realm that we don't even know what it is anymore[/i][/u] I hope that answers some of your questions.

The fact of the matter is nobody here feels uncomfortable when they walk down the street and see a man wearing a fully black-tinted motorcycle helmet stepping off his moped. Nobody feels uncomfortable when it's deep in winter and a man walks down the street with his jacket covering up to his nose and a beanie pulled down to his brow. This entire "it's a safety thing!" is bullshit. It's being scared of a certain article of clothing because that clothing is affiliated with the bad guys. It's as simple as that. In certain contexts, like schools and government offices, I can understand preventing facial coverings [i]of any kind[/i], like Germany has proposed, but selectively wanting to outright ban burqas and burkinis and shit - that's just fear and xenophobia and bigotry. I've seen more people on the streets wearing full gimp outfits than I've seen wearing burqas. I'm American, so maybe I'm missing out on the hordes of marauding Muslim women roaming the streets robbing stores with their convenient religious facial coverings, but I really can't see how it could ever be an issue except in the contexts I mentioned above.

Political uniforms are banned the wearing of clothes is not a freedom we have in this country

[QUOTE=Gizmodo456;50983097]You don't think she should be allowed to wear a burqa because you think she should want to not to wear one anyway? SJW's are so intent on saving people who don't feel they need to be saved from anything.[/QUOTE] all the sjw's i know are saying they want rid of the bans and say folk should be able to wear what they want i don't see how the government coming along and telling people how to dress is ok [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=nickohlus;50983138]I get that you're drawing lines here in order to understand the framing of the actual question everyone in this thread wants to ask, but I think you're looking in the wrong places, or drawing too blurry of lines. I can answer your first one, though. I personally smoke a lot of cigarettes. I try to be kind about it, you know. I don't smoke around kids, babies. I don't smoke next to doors or other high traffic areas. I get it, it's a disgusting habit and it's bad for me, but I like it, ya know. Here's the important part: [i]my smoking cigarettes does not violate anyone else's right not to do so or otherwise.[/i] It's 100% completely dependent upon MY decision to spend time killing my lungs. By wearing a burqa, by censoring your entire existence essentially, you are actually violating MY freedom of expression in addition to yours, because, as Hitchens puts it, "It's not just the right of the person who speaks to be heard, it is the right of everyone in the audience to listen, and to hear. And every time you silence somebody you make yourself a prisoner of your own action, because you deny yourself right to hear something." [url]https://youtu.be/jyoOfRog1EM?t=1m52s[/url] Whether or not it's the women themselves 'choosing' to completely censor themselves or by other forces, it's violating my right to meet that person and learn about them. But I'm personally not very much affected by that, I don't regularly feel a powerful urge to go and introduce myself to everyone I see in a body/face concealing regiment (I wonder why that is? Hmmm...) The part that gets me is it's either greatly minimizing or completely stripping the right of the person wearing the burqa to do the same. She can't walk up to some stranger and start talking because they dropped their pen (or again the chances are much, much more minimized) or any other sort of mysterious, unknown and delightful experience that [i][u]we call 'just a part of life,' because we've been living in the midst of so much liberty in this realm that we don't even know what it is anymore[/i][/u] I hope that answers some of your questions.[/QUOTE] that's great m8 but do you think the government should ban smoking where people could see it or something? otherwise those are some pretty big double standards

[QUOTE=nickohlus;50983138] By wearing a burqa, by censoring your entire existence essentially, you are actually violating MY freedom of expression in addition to yours[/QUOTE] "You're oppressing me by wearing those clothes." The moment Islam enters the conversation, conservatives become tumblr feminists. The irony is amazing. You don't have a right to "get to know someone." Nothing prevents you from engaging in a conversation with someone wearing a burqa other than your own irrational fear. This is like saying that women shouldn't be [i]allowed by law[/i] to be "too attractive" because then you won't feel arbitrarily "comfortable" engaging with them. Nobody gives a shit if you're comfortable - other people's clothing choices [i]do not impede on any of your rights as a human being under any definition[/i].

[QUOTE=nickohlus;50983138]I get that you're drawing lines here in order to understand the framing of the actual question everyone in this thread wants to ask, but I think you're looking in the wrong places, or drawing too blurry of lines. I can answer your first one, though. I personally smoke a lot of cigarettes. I try to be kind about it, you know. I don't smoke around kids, babies. I don't smoke next to doors or other high traffic areas. I get it, it's a disgusting habit and it's bad for me, but I like it, ya know. Here's the important part: [I]my smoking cigarettes does not violate anyone else's right not to do so or otherwise.[/I] It's 100% completely dependent upon MY decision to spend time killing my lungs. By wearing a burqa, by censoring your entire existence essentially, you are actually violating MY freedom of expression in addition to yours, because, as Hitchens puts it, "It's not just the right of the person who speaks to be heard, it is the right of everyone in the audience to listen, and to hear. And every time you silence somebody you make yourself a prisoner of your own action, because you deny yourself right to hear something." [URL]https://youtu.be/jyoOfRog1EM?t=1m52s[/URL] .[/QUOTE] so just to get one thing clear here, you're saying you don't like the burqa because not only does everyone have the right to expression, but you have the right to do what exactly? you don't have a right to interaction with someone, on any level other than those required in public places - how they present themselves to you is only a violation of your rights in the UK if they're inspiring you to violence against certain groups

people don't walk around the street so you can walk up to them and "learn" about them holy shit, some woman walking down the street isn't some big exhibit for you to go around and poke your nose into. also that feeling of "it's violating my right to meet that person and learn about them." isn't a reason to criminalise someone

[QUOTE=burgerdemon;50983147]Political uniforms are banned the wearing of clothes is not a freedom we have in this country[/QUOTE] Burqas are religious garments, not "political uniforms." You guys don't seem to have [i]any[/i] problem with nuns and monks and Christian churches wearing religious garb. Why is that?

Even though I don't support a ban on it. I can totally understand why the majority of other people do. It has nothing to do with racism and much as people like to bleat on about it because it's an easy way of completely ignoring any issue. The simple fact is that the Burqa is a product of highly conservative Islamic culture, this by nature clashes with Western more liberal culture. So when people from Islamic countries come to live here, it seems reasonable to expect them to embrace our culture. It isn't racist or xenophobic to be uncomfortable with someone's cultural expression, especially when it is so alien to our own culture. It's not like anyone who is in favour of a ban on the Burqa is by extension opposed to Islam or Muslims. The opposition is to aspects of culture, synonymous with that faith. Not the faith itself.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50983173]Burqas are religious garments, not "political uniforms." You guys don't seem to have [i]any[/i] problem with nuns and monks and Christian churches wearing religious garb. Why is that?[/QUOTE] Not talking about my or anyones personal views Im just pointing out that there exists legislation clothes can being banned. There is no clothes freedom in this country

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;50983158]all the sjw's i know are saying they want rid of the bans and say folk should be able to wear what they want i don't see how the government coming along and telling people how to dress is ok [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] that's great m8 but do you think the government should ban smoking where people could see it or something? otherwise those are some pretty big double standards[/QUOTE] If we want to try and understand this kind of legislation that's emerging now, we have to take a step back and find out why everyone is so heated about this argument, because obviously there is some polarization here. So let's start at the bottom and work our way up. Set the article aside for the moment and discuss the principles of the situation, then you can arrive back at the realization of the legislation and be disgusted about it as I am (though not for reasons you might expect, or rather any of the reasons being discussed in this thread) [b]edit[/b] I'm being targeted on all sides now, which is kinda cool and a good sign, so now I'm gonna be that cool guy that everyone hates and say 'peace out' to this thread cause y'alls questions suck and I want to give the antithesis to my other posts which is that I don't really give a fuck what you think and I don't care whether or not you learn something from this. It was fun though. Cheers. (hope that's not flaming, didn't mean it to be)

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50983173]Burqas are religious garments, not "political uniforms." You guys don't seem to have [i]any[/i] problem with nuns and monks and Christian churches wearing religious garb. Why is that?[/QUOTE] Nuns and monk wear this by choice, and will not be punished physically or by law by not wearing them. You have to remember that in a lot of cases, in a lot of Islamic areas women can be severely punished for not following these sort of dress codes. Obviously in the west this doesn't exist, but that doesn't stop the representation of misogynistic views that come from that culture. At what point can you question human rights without offending someone who is expressing their culture? In the end though i don't think their should be laws on what you can wear to an obvious extent

[QUOTE=burgerdemon;50983188]Not talking about my or anyones personal views Im just pointing out that there exists legislation clothes can being banned. There is no clothes freedom in this country[/QUOTE] there are no countries in the world that have absolute freedom on any subject you have defined freedom to be something that doesn't exist in the world

[QUOTE=David29;50983045]I wasn't aware that these crosses completely conceal your identity.[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware the Burqa is the only thing capable of concealing someone's identity EDIT: Holy fuck i'm late on this

[QUOTE=Glitchman;50983212]Nuns and monk wear this by choice, and will not be punished physically or by law by not wearing them. You have to remember that in a lot of cases, in a lot of Islamic areas women can be severely punished for not following these sort of dress codes. Obviously in the west this doesn't exist, but that doesn't stop the representation of misogynistic views that come from that culture. At what point can you question human rights without offending someone who is expressing their culture? [/QUOTE] at the point where women are being forced to wear that clothing you don't solve that problem by banning the item of clothing, but dealing with whoever is forcing them to wear it if someone wears a burqa because they are afraid that their husband will beat the shit out of them, then that needs to be dealt with if someone wears a burqa because their religious belief is that they should, then that is fine.

[QUOTE=nickohlus;50983138]I get that you're drawing lines here in order to understand the framing of the actual question everyone in this thread wants to ask, but I think you're looking in the wrong places, or drawing too blurry of lines. I can answer your first one, though. I personally smoke a lot of cigarettes. I try to be kind about it, you know. I don't smoke around kids, babies. I don't smoke next to doors or other high traffic areas. I get it, it's a disgusting habit and it's bad for me, but I like it, ya know. Here's the important part: [i]my smoking cigarettes does not violate anyone else's right not to do so or otherwise.[/i] It's 100% completely dependent upon MY decision to spend time killing my lungs. By wearing a burqa, by censoring your entire existence essentially, you are actually violating MY freedom of expression in addition to yours, because, as Hitchens puts it, "It's not just the right of the person who speaks to be heard, it is the right of everyone in the audience to listen, and to hear. And every time you silence somebody you make yourself a prisoner of your own action, because you deny yourself right to hear something." [url]https://youtu.be/jyoOfRog1EM?t=1m52s[/url] Whether or not it's the women themselves 'choosing' to completely censor themselves or by other forces, it's violating my right to meet that person and learn about them. But I'm personally not very much affected by that, I don't regularly feel a powerful urge to go and introduce myself to everyone I see in a body/face concealing regiment (I wonder why that is? Hmmm...) The part that gets me is it's either greatly minimizing or completely stripping the right of the person wearing the burqa to do the same. She can't walk up to some stranger and start talking because they dropped their pen (or again the chances are much, much more minimized) or any other sort of mysterious, unknown and delightful experience that [i][u]we call 'just a part of life,' because we've been living in the midst of so much liberty in this realm that we don't even know what it is anymore[/i][/u] I hope that answers some of your questions.[/QUOTE] Are you high right now? These are the ravings of man in a fever state. A woman wearing clothes that do not reveal her face or body to you is not a violation of your personal rights. Your freedom of expression does not extend to forcing women to dress in a way that you find pleasing and comfortable.

Funny how alot of people in this thread say this is bad but you don't complain when places like the United Arab Emirates see public displays of affection as a crime that can land you in one of their nasty prisons, which alot people who go on holiday there don't even realise until their life is fucking ruined by that bullshit. How about let the British public decide what it wants, yeah? At least we don't go throwing people in prison for kissing.

[QUOTE=Glitchman;50983212]Nuns and monk wear this by choice, and will not be punished physically or by law by not wearing them. You have to remember that in a lot of cases, in a lot of Islamic areas women can be severely punished for not following these sort of dress codes. Obviously in the west this doesn't exist, but that doesn't stop the representation of misogynistic views that come from that culture. At what point can you question human rights without offending someone who is expressing their culture? In the end though i don't think their should be laws on what you can wear to an obvious extent[/QUOTE] If someone is abusing their wife, you stop them from abusing their wife. I don't care if they beat their wife for not wearing a certain kind of garment or for forgetting to buy a new pack of Bud Light. Targeting the symptoms is very short-sighted. Target the problem, not the symptoms. There are Muslim women who choose, of their own volition, to wear a hijab or a niqab or a burqa. By banning that clothing because it [i]could[/i] be forced on them, you're removing freedom of choice from those women and actively restricting their rights. If anyone is beating their wives, solve that issue at the root by publicizing womens' shelters and encouraging women to speak up about it. If women aren't allowed to wear a burqa in public, and their husband is an abusive cunt of a man, he's not just gonna go "oh shucks, guess you can go out in that bikini now and fit in with the brits," he'll just lock her in a closet every day until he comes home and beats her anyways. Banning a certain type of clothing isn't going to stop abuse and it's unbelievably naive and [i]stupid[/i] to think it will.

[QUOTE=FalloutAddict;50983243]Funny how alot of people in this thread say this is bad but you don't complain when places like the United Arab Emirates see public displays of affection as a crime that can land you in one of their nasty prisons, which alot people who go on holiday there don't even realise until their life is fucking ruined by that bullshit. How about let the British public decide what it wants, yeah? At least we don't go throwing people in prison for kissing.[/QUOTE] Ah, yes, I'm sure that nobody would have any problem with the United Kingdom becoming in any way similar to the United Arab Emirates. That can be only a positive thing! Oh, and if you truly believe we don't care about the restrictive and horrible laws of the United Arab Emirates, you're in for a rude awakening.

[QUOTE=FalloutAddict;50983243]Funny how alot of people in this thread say this is bad but you don't complain when places like the United Arab Emirates see public displays of affection as a crime that can land you in one of their nasty prisons, which alot people who go on holiday there don't even realise until their life is fucking ruined by that bullshit. How about let the British public decide what it wants, yeah? At least we don't go throwing people in prison for kissing.[/QUOTE] Because they're not from the UAE and this forum is primarily composed of people living in the west who can affect issues within the west so there is no use of blowing hot air over a place you can't change. Not to mention that whenever a thread like that hits of any middle eastern country doing something like that the majority of people in this forum(including myself) criticize it. And also you are basically saying the UK should behave more like the UAE when it comes to personal freedoms which imho is another big fucking issue in your argument entirely.

[QUOTE=nickohlus;50983138]I get that you're drawing lines here in order to understand the framing of the actual question everyone in this thread wants to ask, but I think you're looking in the wrong places, or drawing too blurry of lines. I can answer your first one, though. I personally smoke a lot of cigarettes. I try to be kind about it, you know. I don't smoke around kids, babies. I don't smoke next to doors or other high traffic areas. I get it, it's a disgusting habit and it's bad for me, but I like it, ya know. Here's the important part: [i]my smoking cigarettes does not violate anyone else's right not to do so or otherwise.[/i] It's 100% completely dependent upon MY decision to spend time killing my lungs. [/quote] The post I replied to specifically framed banning the burqa as protecting people regardless of their input. You trying to reframe the discussion serves the demonstrate the invalidity of your previous point. But since you think its a harmless activity in the US you smoking puts up insurance premiums, pollutes the air, causes potential loss of profits for companies, takes time away from medical staff who could be caring for less avoidable ailments, hurts loved ones when you get ill and can't contribute to their upkeep, you funding cigarette/tobacco companies gives them money to continue selling their poisonous product. In the UK smoking and drinking is even worse since we have universal healthcare so I'm, theoretically, wasting tax money. [quote] By wearing a burqa, by censoring your entire existence essentially, you are actually violating MY freedom of expression in addition to yours, because, as Hitchens puts it, "It's not just the right of the person who speaks to be heard, it is the right of everyone in the audience to listen, and to hear. And every time you silence somebody you make yourself a prisoner of your own action, because you deny yourself right to hear something." [url]https://youtu.be/jyoOfRog1EM?t=1m52s[/url] [/quote] So her wearing a burqa is violating your freedom? Wha Eyes are a big part of communication. Would someone wearing sunglasses while walking past me int he streets be violating my rights/freedom? I call bs. Also don't appeal to Hitchens' authority on the matter and valid point is a valid point regardless of whos saying it, likewise an invalid point remains invalid even if a celebrity says it. I assume you mean Christoper, Peter is a mess. [quote] Whether or not it's the women themselves 'choosing' to completely censor themselves or by other forces, it's violating my right to meet that person and learn about them. But I'm personally not very much affected by that, I don't regularly feel a powerful urge to go and introduce myself to everyone I see in a body/face concealing regiment (I wonder why that is? Hmmm...) The part that gets me is it's either greatly minimizing or completely stripping the right of the person wearing the burqa to do the same. She can't walk up to some stranger and start talking because they dropped their pen (or again the chances are much, much more minimized) or any other sort of mysterious, unknown and delightful experience that [i][u]we call 'just a part of life,' because we've been living in the midst of so much liberty in this realm that we don't even know what it is anymore[/i][/u] I hope that answers some of your questions.[/QUOTE] They can still go up and tell you that you have dropped your pen and you can still go to tell them they have dropped their pen. the garment itself doesn't stop this from happening. The interaction might be awkward since: A) you might not feel confident talking to someone who looks so different from "the norm" (because of the mouth being covered) B) She might not feel comfortable talking to you (one reason might be cultural sexist conditioning which we should absolutely oppose) C) She or you might not feel comfortable talking to a stranger Having earphones in stops communication, should the government ban people having those in? Reading on trains was once considered unsocial should the state have banned that? Also you say you don't feel the urge to introduce yourself to people wearing the burqa - if its you not having the urge then isn't it on you to change that? I do see your point, we should be more open to each other but banning items of clothing (inconsistently no less) isn't the way to go about it. Don't mean to be rude but I'm confused as to what happened to your previous argument and why you deem it the states right to deny what people wear on the basis that it hinders communication. What right does the state have to step in and mandate (inconsistently ie in a discriminatory manner) what people can and can't wear because "it hinders communication".

[QUOTE=FalloutAddict;50983243]Funny how alot of people in this thread say this is bad but you don't complain when places like the United Arab Emirates see public displays of affection as a crime that can land you in one of their nasty prisons, which alot people who go on holiday there don't even realise until their life is fucking ruined by that bullshit. How about let the British public decide what it wants, yeah? At least we don't go throwing people in prison for kissing.[/QUOTE] Guess what? I expect Britain to be better at human rights than [i]the fucking UAE[/i]. I hold Britain to a much higher standard. I will not accept "well if the UAE does it so should we." I don't accept "well if ISIS tortures people and murders civilians, we should too, just to be fair." We are better than UAE, or ISIS, or Saudi Arabia, and we should hold ourselves to a [i]significantly[/i] higher standard when it comes to basic human rights like [i]deciding what clothing to wear[/i]. There's a reason democracy is representative and not direct. The public is fucking braindead. I have no kind words for the state of human rights in the Middle East, but using that as an excuse to tear down those rights in your home country is idiocy. Unless you'd rather be [I]more[/I] like the UAE?

[QUOTE=FalloutAddict;50983243]Funny how alot of people in this thread say this is bad but you don't complain when places like the United Arab Emirates see public displays of affection as a crime that can land you in one of their nasty prisons, which alot people who go on holiday there don't even realise until their life is fucking ruined by that bullshit. [/quote] Why should we go down to their level? We have rule of law, we are a fairly liberal democracy, we are tolerant and to a relative degree, progressive. "they did it first" isn't a rational way to approach law making. [quote] How about let the British public decide what it wants, yeah? At least we don't go throwing people in prison for kissing.[/QUOTE] Alternatively - no. We've seen what happens when the British public decide stuff, they don't act in their own interests.

Imagine looking at a kid being bullied for wearing a pokemon hat and thinking "we need to ban pokemon hats, that is the only way to stop bullying"

lol what a great post stop complaining about an infringement of human rights based on xenophobia when this other country practices an even worse infringement of human rights based on sexism!

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50983173]Burqas are religious garments, not "political uniforms." You guys don't seem to have [i]any[/i] problem with nuns and monks and Christian churches wearing religious garb. Why is that?[/QUOTE] When your religion openly has its own law system (Sharia Law), I'd say it was pretty political.