British public back a ban on burqa by two to one, poll finds - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Elstumpo;50983022]Does this mean you don't want people wearing those cross necklaces I see everywhere [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] aaand ninja'd[/QUOTE] A cross necklace doesn't conceal the identity of said person.

When in Rome, etc etc...

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50983465]facepunch is not a public setting, there is no hypocrisy. if this was a public setting then admins would not be legally capable of banning me and i could call the police if they did, also i would have the guaranteed legal protection of free speech to the same degree i have in a public place and so forth.[/QUOTE] So you should have no problem seeing a crowd of 34 people wearing burqas at your local mall, because it's not a public setting. Malls are privately-owned. Facepunch is not a "public setting" because it is privately-owned, despite being publicly accessible and open to any user. Only government-owned property counts as a "public setting." So long as they aren't in a national park or government land, burqas are a complete non-issue, correct? Coffee shop - no problem. Mall - not an issue. Football stadium - who cares. But if they're out in a national park 46 miles from the nearest person, and they put on their niqab, that is an [i]affront to British culture[/i] because it's a [I]public setting[/I] and it's offensive. [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=gazzy_GUI;50983489]A cross necklace doesn't conceal the identity of said person.[/QUOTE] ban all motorcycle helmets and winter balaclavas might as well get rid of hats too

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50983388]There is no central religious authority for "Islam" saying that. [/QUOTE] There is. there is not a single Grand Mufti that has not at one point or another said women if they want to be good muslims need to wear a hijab or burka or similar garbs. there is not a single Grand Ayatollah that has not at one point or another said women if they want to be good muslims need to wear a hijab or burka or similar garbs. I can start naming names and quotes if i need to, but im pretty sure you cant come up with a single one that has never said anything concerning women not having to wear their veils or even not having said they have to wear their veils that are still alive.

I see no issue with this. We aren't banning the religion, just a part of it that immediately doesn't conform with security or secular views. If we banned a religion, the UN would be up our asses so fast.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50983503]There is. there is not a single Grand Mufti that has not at one point or another said women if they want to be good muslims need to wear a hijab or burka or similar garbs. there is not a single Grand Ayatollah that has not at one point or another said women if they want to be good muslims need to wear a hijab or burka or similar garbs. I can start naming names and quotes if i need to, but im pretty sure you cant come up with a single one that has never said anything concerning women not having to wear their veils or even not having said they have to wear their veils that are still alive.[/QUOTE] Are Muslims not permitted to interpret their religious text independently? Is that [i]physically impossible[/i] for them to read their own religious text and go "no, I disagree, this is my understanding." Or are they "not real Muslims" if they do that? You're scapegoating all Muslims as if it was a single, uniform belief with no disagreements. It demonstrably is not. mdeceiver and myself have both provided real-life anecdotes that show that some Muslims are able to independently judge whether or not they feel as if they need to wear a head covering of any kind. Go read about Muhammad Abduh and compare that to the words of some of the founders of Wahhabism and tell me which one is actually Islam and which of their ideas are "mandatory."

[QUOTE=Boilrig;50983515]I see no issue with this. We aren't banning the religion, just a part of it that immediately doesn't conform with security or secular views. If we banned a religion, the UN would be up our asses so fast.[/QUOTE] People should be allowed to wear what they want and burkhas arent a security issue. This is literally a way to shit on scaaary muslims that wear something different. Or does a woman wearing something that covers her face scare you that much it should be illegal.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50983527]Are Muslims not permitted to interpret their religious text independently? Is that [I]physically impossible[/I] for them to read their own religious text and go "no, I disagree, this is my understanding." Or are they "not real Muslims" if they do that? You're scapegoating all Muslims as if it was a single, uniform belief with no disagreements. It demonstrably is not. mdeceiver and myself have both provided real-life anecdotes that show that some Muslims are able to independently judge whether or not they feel as if they need to wear a head covering of any kind. Go read about Muhammad Abduh and compare that to the words of some of the founders of Wahhabism and tell me which one is actually Islam and which of their ideas are "mandatory."[/QUOTE] yes, but that is not relevant to this debate. I said multiple times here its up to each individual to make up that for themselves... some Christian nuns still wear the habit thinking the pope was full of shit on that point... does not mean its not no longer religiously mandated by the pope to wear the habit or that the people that follow the pope/dont follow the pope to the letter are no "true" christians. It is you who is grouping me into people and opinions that i simply do not agree with... you are putting words in my mouth and strawmanning my argument and tbh im sure there is a no true scotsman in there too somewhere.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50983499]So you should have no problem seeing a crowd of 34 people wearing burqas at your local mall, because it's not a public setting. Malls are privately-owned. Facepunch is not a "public setting" because it is privately-owned, despite being publicly accessible and open to any user. Only government-owned property counts as a "public setting." So long as they aren't in a national park or government land, burqas are a complete non-issue, correct? Coffee shop - no problem. Mall - not an issue. Football stadium - who cares. But if they're out in a national park 46 miles from the nearest person, and they put on their niqab, that is an [i]affront to British culture[/i] because it's a [I]public setting[/I] and it's offensive. [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] ban all motorcycle helmets and winter balaclavas might as well get rid of hats too[/QUOTE] I'm not sure about other countries, but where I live in the UK you're not allowed to enter some shops/banks etc if you're wearing a helmet or balaclava, but burqas are allowed. I don't think it's too crazy to say that the burqa should be banned in areas where helmets etc are banned as well.

If you think they shouldnt ban the burqa then it should be required that you wear one whenever you leave your household for a year. Nothing else, every single day of the year. No ifs, ands, or buts. The burqa serves no logical purpose in Western society. The intent of the clothing is to draw attention away from the woman, but in the West it only attracts unwanted attention. I would imagine more than a few Saudi girls wear the burqa because their husbands insist on it. The husband doesn’t care whether strangers see his wife’s uncovered face, but he cares a great deal that his male friends do. His selfishness and warped view of manhood are more important that his wife’s safety is inexcusable. We now must think in practical terms. Co-existing with non-Muslims in the West means that they must reconsider cultural and religious values or go home. Its a very small "cultural and religious right" to give up inorder to be able to conform to western society.

[QUOTE=David29;50983045][QUOTE=Streecer;50983020][[QUOTE=James xX;50983019]I'm one of the least racist people you'll meet, and while I'm perfectly fine with people wearing what they want in their own time, in public you should remain as secular as possible. Add onto that the fact that conceiling your faces can only add to fears people have, I support this move.[/QUOTE]] so to you "secular" is the government interfering in peoples right to practice and express their religious beliefs? would you support a ban on crosses in public too?[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware that these crosses completely conceal your identity.[/QUOTE][initial post (re-)added by me] You're replying to someone replying the religiously motivated part of someone's (partially) religious argument, not a secular matter. The identity-concealment value of crosses is irrelevant to that criticism. [QUOTE=gazzy_GUI;50983489]A cross necklace doesn't conceal the identity of said person.[/QUOTE] The same applies here. [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Blizzerd;50983328]almost but no cigar... meaning both are just as worrisome and should be abandoned. In order to guarantee a free, secular and liberal society we cannot have parallel courts.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. I don't mind if it's strictly opt-in and stays within the confines of the surrounding legislation though, because then you're only dealing with contracts between consenting adults (at least in most western societies). That also generally means that no significant punitive actions can be taken beyond formal exclusion from the community. [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SpartanApples;50983641]I'm not sure about other countries, but where I live in the UK you're not allowed to enter some shops/banks etc if you're wearing a helmet or balaclava, but burqas are allowed. I don't think it's too crazy to say that the burqa should be banned in areas where helmets etc are banned as well.[/QUOTE] This part and reasoning I agree with. Balaclavas are legal in almost all situations in Germany, but you still can get the police called on you if you come up to a bank wearing one for example (and they're outright banned at protests together with all other identity-concealing items used to that effect or carried for that purpose). They currently [I]technically[/I] aren't banned in places that more generally require ID though, but that's probably going to change fairly soon (in part due to dubious reasons, but as long as the ban is actually secular and appropriately limited in scope to places where it actually causes issues it should be fine).

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;50983741]If you think they shouldnt ban the burqa then it should be required that you wear one whenever you leave your household for a year. Nothing else, every single day of the year. No ifs, ands, or buts. The burqa serves no logical purpose in Western society. The intent of the clothing is to draw attention away from the woman, but in the West it only attracts unwanted attention. I would imagine more than a few Saudi girls wear the burqa because their husbands insist on it. The husband doesn’t care whether strangers see his wife’s uncovered face, but he cares a great deal that his male friends do. His selfishness and warped view of manhood are more important that his wife’s safety is inexcusable. We now must think in practical terms. Co-existing with non-Muslims in the West means that they must reconsider cultural and religious values or go home. Its a very small "cultural and religious right" to give up inorder to be able to conform to western society.[/QUOTE] how does this help them "conform to western society" if it doesn't address the reasons why burqas are used in the first place? even if every burqa was worn unwillingly, and even if you banned them in EVERY public space, what stops them from just being forced to wear them in private? and, you know, continuing to be married to a misogynist dirtbag? it's funny that you're saying we need to think practically when this law would do precisely one over fuck all to fix the problem

[QUOTE=Cone;50983824]how does this help them "conform to western society" if it doesn't address the reasons why burqas are used in the first place? even if every burqa was worn unwillingly, and even if you banned them in EVERY public space, what stops them from just being forced to wear them in private? and, you know, continuing to be married to a misogynist dirtbag? it's funny that you're saying we need to think practically when this law would do precisely one over fuck all to fix the problem[/QUOTE] The scenario where women forced to wear burqas just end up not going outside seems more likely to me than the one where they stop wearing them in public.

[QUOTE=James xX;50983019]I'm one of the least racist people you'll meet, and while I'm perfectly fine with people wearing what they want in their own time, in public you should remain as secular as possible. Add onto that the fact that conceiling your faces can only add to fears people have, I support this move.[/QUOTE] It's bloody brilliant how as western societies we claim to espouse and promote all manners of self-expression, except you know, anything that relates to religion or cultures we're scared of. Secularism should dictate the state's relationship with the church(es), it's an absolutely backwards thing to enforce on the individual in any other extent. [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Blizzerd;50983349]not sinning is religiously mandatory in the catholic church, marrying for life the same. (or was at some point... its a grey area but officially no pope said devorce is okay)[/QUOTE] I am not well versed in Catholic theology, but that doesn't really sound right. Obviously the Catholic Church is not in support of 'sinning' (missing the mark), but I am pretty sure it's understood that everyone does it, and the way to deal with it is not ostracization. Also, as I understand it, the Catholic position on marriage is that it should last (except for cases where it is annulled) until one of the partners dies. Post-divorce sex is seen as adultery.

[QUOTE=nickohlus;50983138]By wearing a burqa, by censoring your entire existence essentially, you are actually violating MY freedom of expression. Whether or not it's the women themselves 'choosing' to completely censor themselves or by other forces, it's violating my right to meet that person and learn about them.[/QUOTE] Do you think you and everyone else here should post a picture of their faces then? Because by that logic we're "violating" each others rights by trying to talk and interact without providing our appearances.

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;50983741]If you think they shouldnt ban the burqa then it should be required that you wear one whenever you leave your household for a year. Nothing else, every single day of the year. No ifs, ands, or buts.[/quote] I'll wear a tutu if I please, and let others wear what they want. I have no right to fashion police their wardrobe. [quote]The burqa serves no logical purpose in Western society.[/quote] It helps the wearer feel they are being modest. And current western fashion is among the least utilitarian ones in history, so the 'no logical purpose' argument doesn't stand under scrutiny.

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;50983741]If you think they shouldnt ban the burqa then it should be required that you wear one whenever you leave your household for a year. Nothing else, every single day of the year. No ifs, ands, or buts. The burqa serves no logical purpose in Western society. The intent of the clothing is to draw attention away from the woman, but in the West it only attracts unwanted attention. I would imagine more than a few Saudi girls wear the burqa because their husbands insist on it. The husband doesn’t care whether strangers see his wife’s uncovered face, but he cares a great deal that his male friends do. His selfishness and warped view of manhood are more important that his wife’s safety is inexcusable. We now must think in practical terms. Co-existing with non-Muslims in the West means that they must reconsider cultural and religious values or go home. Its a very small "cultural and religious right" to give up inorder to be able to conform to western society.[/QUOTE] I hate burqas and I think they are extremely misogynistic and degrading to women and yet I oppose any bans like this. These bans cause more harm than good. You can't ban a certain clothing without being a giant hypocrite. You can ban say all face cover, or something like that and it will include burqas, balaclavas and motorcycle helmets for all genders or you can be exactly like the people you oppose. I fucking hate morality police in the middle-east and I certainly don't want it here.

[QUOTE=phaedon;50983871] And current western fashion is among the least utilitarian ones in history, so the 'no logical purpose' argument doesn't stand under scrutiny.[/QUOTE] Thats just bs... SourcE

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50984096]Thats just bs...[/QUOTE] no, arguing against the availability of clothing based on it's [I]utilitarian worth[/I] is the biggest, steaming pile of bullshit that i've ever read

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;50983741]If you think they shouldnt ban the burqa then it should be required that you wear one whenever you leave your household for a year. Nothing else, every single day of the year. No ifs, ands, or buts. The burqa serves no logical purpose in Western society. The intent of the clothing is to draw attention away from the woman, but in the West it only attracts unwanted attention. I would imagine more than a few Saudi girls wear the burqa because their husbands insist on it. The husband doesn’t care whether strangers see his wife’s uncovered face, but he cares a great deal that his male friends do. His selfishness and warped view of manhood are more important that his wife’s safety is inexcusable. We now must think in practical terms. Co-existing with non-Muslims in the West means that they must reconsider cultural and religious values or go home. Its a very small "cultural and religious right" to give up inorder to be able to conform to western society.[/QUOTE] Have you forgotten that forcing people to do thing they dont like only breeds more resentment and anger? There are many women who go along with it of their own free will. On top of this, if you're going to ban burqas for being sexist why not ban balaclavas? kerchiefs? scarves? They won't because a burqa is somehow 'incompatible with western culture' and thus deserves to be banned for no better reason. This won't solve anything beyond pandering to fearmongering and the right wing leaning populace, and if it is done, is done for that sake alone, and not because of any better reasons, not that they exist. Forcibly making people conform to your idea of what Western society is supposed to be is no better than tyranny in another format. If you want people to change, you allow them to be the change over time by teaching them and and allowing them to make their choices like reasonable adult human beings.

[QUOTE=Gizmodo456;50983027]Concealment of identity is a reasonable argument but only if it also covers motor cycle helmets, fancy dress and ridiculous huge sunglasses. Otherwise it's just another racist argument hidden in plain sight.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry by saying motor cycle helmets should be banned because a bunch of out of time old folk majorily think it's okay to ban something that next to fully conceals the face (it varies iirc) is the dumbest argument you can make. Bike helmets actually serve a purpose, and it's safety gear for when riding motorcycles that go through rigorous testing to make sure it protects that pretty little skull of yours, a fucking Burka is a piece of clothing that at best would prevent you from getting a fucking severe road rash, it wont protect your pretty skull.

[QUOTE=maxolina;50983048]I don't know the situation outside of europe, but in Italy it's illegal to go around dressed like this: [img]http://oxford-products.com/us/product_images/n/004/Balaclava_eyes__92353_zoom.jpg[/img] So I don't see a reason why you should be allowed to go around like this: [img]http://thepolar.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/face_28915c.jpg[/img] I see absolutely no difference..[/QUOTE] Because Ski Mask bans are also fucking stupid! It's not going to stop robberies or anything, it's just going to stop people from keeping their faces warm

[QUOTE=phaedon;50983871]I'll wear a tutu if I please, and let others wear what they want. I have no right to fashion police their wardrobe. It helps the wearer feel they are being modest. And current western fashion is among the least utilitarian ones in history, so the 'no logical purpose' argument doesn't stand under scrutiny.[/QUOTE] You're not getting it. Wear a burqa all year long, not because you want to, but because you are forced to. You have no choice or say in the matter, you're wearing it whether you like it or not. If you were forced to wear that tu-tu all year long, every day you left the house regardless of weather conditions, I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune. The difference is being willing, and being forced but willing. I'm sure on a 25*C+ day nobody willingly wants to wear a burqa. I'd like another question answered: How many of you would see no problem in banning the burqa, but allowing the burqa (niqab?) where the face is shown? Same style of clothing with half the oppression andnow you can identify people.

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;50984725]You're not getting it. Wear a burqa all year long, not because you want to, but because you are forced to. You have no choice or say in the matter, you're wearing it whether you like it or not. If you were forced to wear that tu-tu all year long, every day you left the house regardless of weather conditions, I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune.[/quote] Again, the argument is based on the idea that all women are forced to wear them, that they have no agency whatsoever, or that they do have agency and wear them under threat of abuse. Did you consider that women who wear burkas are most likely devout Muslims in the first place, or have a cultural background that normalizes the burka? Conformation to another set of cultural norms is not inherently violent or forced. But let's assume that all women are forced into wearing burkas (something which has yet to be proven in any of these threads) under threat of abuse, are essentially kidnapped within their own home and can only exit it wearing a burka, and for various reasons have not sought help from the authorities. Do you think that banning the burka will allow these women to exit their homes without a veil? With a ban, you are simultaneously removing the agency of devout Muslim women and essentially imprisoning those that are already trapped in an environment of domestic abuse. It's not a humanitarian measure by any means, you are just disgusted by veils and don't want to see them around, regardless of the people wearing them. [quote]The difference is being willing, and being forced but willing. I'm sure on a 25*C+ day nobody willingly wants to wear a burqa.[/quote] What properties does a burka have in regards to heat or moisture retention? [quote]How many of you would see no problem in banning the burqa, but allowing the burqa (niqab?) where the face is shown? Same style of clothing with half the oppression andnow you can identify people.[/QUOTE] I take an issue with the banning of articles of clothing in general (with the exception of buildings like banks or airports), especially when you are appealing to secularism or security without a basis. If you want to help women who you think are forced into a certain situation, then build support networks and facilitate reporting of abuse.

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;50983741]If you think they shouldnt ban the burqa then it should be required that you wear one whenever you leave your household for a year. Nothing else, every single day of the year. No ifs, ands, or buts. The burqa serves no logical purpose in Western society. The intent of the clothing is to draw attention away from the woman, but in the West it only attracts unwanted attention. I would imagine more than a few Saudi girls wear the burqa because their husbands insist on it. The husband doesn’t care whether strangers see his wife’s uncovered face, but he cares a great deal that his male friends do. His selfishness and warped view of manhood are more important that his wife’s safety is inexcusable. We now must think in practical terms. Co-existing with non-Muslims in the West means that they must reconsider cultural and religious values or go home. Its a very small "cultural and religious right" to give up inorder to be able to conform to western society.[/QUOTE] I don't understand how you people can keep harping about the virtues of Western society and then in the next sentence start calling for the ban of religious garb. Also if their husbands are forcing them to wear a burqa then go after the husbands. Banning the burqa makes literally no sense and won't do anything to solve the problems you're worried about. [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] Should we ban amish people from dressing conservatively? A lot of Amish women probably don't want to dress like that so by your logic its justified to ban all of them from dressing like that. What about nuns? I'm sure there are still cases of people becoming nuns due to pressure from their parents and such, should we ban nuns from wearing habits because of that?

[QUOTE=Valon Kyre;50984725]You're not getting it. Wear a burqa all year long, not because you want to, but because you are forced to. You have no choice or say in the matter, you're wearing it whether you like it or not. If you were forced to wear that tu-tu all year long, every day you left the house regardless of weather conditions, I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune. The difference is being willing, and being forced but willing. I'm sure on a 25*C+ day nobody willingly wants to wear a burqa. I'd like another question answered: How many of you would see no problem in banning the burqa, but allowing the burqa (niqab?) where the face is shown? Same style of clothing with half the oppression andnow you can identify people.[/QUOTE] Do you seriously believe that women are incapable of independently choosing a religion to follow? Have you ever actually met a muslim?have you ever met a woman? I hate to sound so petty, but im running out of ideas of why you refuse to accept that women can be independent. And to answer your question, i understand not allowing anything that blocks vision while driving or your face in government buildings, but why else?

i honestly am not surprised it saddens me but thsi doesnt surprise me. I understand in places where masks are banned or whatever, and thats fine; because in islam you dont have to wear the burqa, only the hijab. but London doesnt ban masks, right? anyway, if people get terrorized over a piece of cloth then something is wrong [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Valon Kyre;50984725]You're not getting it. Wear a burqa all year long, not because you want to, but because you are forced to. You have no choice or say in the matter, you're wearing it whether you like it or not. If you were forced to wear that tu-tu all year long, every day you left the house regardless of weather conditions, I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune. The difference is being willing, and being forced but willing. I'm sure on a 25*C+ day nobody willingly wants to wear a burqa. I'd like another question answered: How many of you would see no problem in banning the burqa, but allowing the burqa (niqab?) where the face is shown? Same style of clothing with half the oppression andnow you can identify people.[/QUOTE] please dont talk any shit about this if you dnt know any muslims which i am 100 percent sure you dont you make it sound like theres a gun pointed to their head and if they dont wear a burqa they die and by the way everyone in saudi arabia does this and they arent singing a different tune. even in egypt where you arent forced to do it, or dubai. and the word your looking for is hijab, which i would be fine if they banned the burqa but not the hijab but man stop saying that every muslim women is FORCED TO WEAR THIS OMFG EVERY MUSLIM MAN IN THE WORLD HAS A PISTOL AND IS ABOUT TO MURDER HER IF SHE CONVERTS EDIT EDIT: AGAIN, MOST PEOPLE WHO WEAR IT WEAR IT EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR EDIT: and we live in 35-40 Celsius weather atm [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] -snip im stupid-

[QUOTE=Maadz;50985509] please dont talk any shit about this if you dnt know any muslims which i am 100 percent sure you dont you make it sound like theres a gun pointed to their head and if they dont wear a burqa they die and by the way everyone in saudi arabia does this and they arent singing a different tune. even in egypt where you arent forced to do it, or dubai. and the word your looking for is hijab, which i would be fine if they banned the burqa but not the hijab but man stop saying that every muslim women is FORCED TO WEAR THIS OMFG EVERY MUSLIM MAN IN THE WORLD HAS A PISTOL AND IS ABOUT TO MURDER HER IF SHE CONVERTS EDIT EDIT: AGAIN, MOST PEOPLE WHO WEAR IT WEAR IT EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR EDIT: and we live in 35-40 Celsius weather atm [editline]1st September 2016[/editline] -snip im stupid-[/QUOTE] Comparing EU rules to Saudi rules is stupid. Here, one of the guides to not getting into trouble in Saudi Arabia: [url]http://www.wikihow.com/Dress-in-Dubai[/url] One picture from guide: [IMG]http://pad3.whstatic.com/images/thumb/9/92/Dress-in-Dubai-Step-10.jpg/aid620555-728px-Dress-in-Dubai-Step-10.jpg.webp[/IMG] You see, EU has completely different lifestyle and different values.

My opinions has always been "if you have the right to express X then I have the right to ridicule X" this works both ways, if I have the right to ridicule X then you have the right to express it. I think the full Burka looks dumb, it does nothing besides make what would be a normally expressive person into just another non-entity. I've seen rather beautiful shawls and head-scarves but the full face veil just makes someone look like an outsider. I think most importantly I would find it odd talking to someone when I could not see their mouth and eyebrows. However my opinions are just that, mere opinion. What I have to say about other people makes no fucking difference by any stretch. You wear whatever the fuck you want, but by the same token I can say whatever the fuck i want about what you wear. Weather or not you want to listen to what I have to say is your choice. You may argue and I will retort, you may debate with me and I would be happy to discuss it, or you could just walk on by and the world will keep on spinning and jack shit will change as a result of our exchange. Trying to ban the burka is like trying to get a football fan to change his team by banning his teams colours, it's only going to get people pissy.

Those who arrive in other countries should deal with the customs of that country, no matter what. Why do white women who are tourists try to cover themselves up (in Tunisia it is slutty to wear skirts and stuff like that - women tourists don't do that as not to offend anyone). If we are talking about tourists, what about those who live in foreign countries? It's not us who should deal with other cultures, it's them who should be dealing with it. Sorry if it sounds xenophobic, but it seems like this pol correct stuff is killing Europe. They, the outsiders, should integrate to our society and not the other way around. All in all, burqas should be banned.