[QUOTE=Luni;51762052]OTOH, we'll likely see the current administration take steps to make the Democrats increasingly powerless and irrelevant. In four or eight years we'll probably know exactly how our British comrades feel right now.[/QUOTE]
ya but at least we have an opposition party, the brits have the right and the left supporting this
[QUOTE=Damjen;51762656]Got any (reliable) sources?[/QUOTE]
I'll get it printed on the side of a bus...
[QUOTE=Sableye;51763002]ya but at least we have an opposition party, the brits have the right and the left supporting this[/QUOTE]
Somewhere around half of Labour stayed true to their actual party lines and supported us staying in the EU. Most of the minority parties also supported blocking the invocation of A50. But there's just not enough of them with seats to actually make it count.
Because for some fucking reasons people keep voting the Tories in, despite them historically fucking the entire country over again and again.
I don't know why you all are seeing this as a Tories v. Labour issue; the Brexit vote was taken directly to the people, and there were multiple factions in both parties that campaigned for or against Brexit. Political parties were irrelevant for the Brexit vote.
Yes, the Brexit vote was very tight. But the goal posts were set, and the goal was kicked in. You can't change the goal posts after the shot has already been made, or in other words, you can't declare that Brexit is invalid after it won enough votes in the rules set out by the referendum. What the Tories and Labour are doing in voting for allowing A50 is respecting the will of the British people. [b]Do I like Brexit? No, I think it's a terrible idea[/b]. But you can't deny that the Tories and Labour are working in the public interest (and trying to get the least-harmful Brexit possible), with the mandate provided to them by the voters.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51761712]God alone knows what the former UK will go through in the years to come, all on the basis of lies by self serving assholes.[/QUOTE]
First of all "Former UK"? The Scottish Nationalists are basically in a hole right now that they can't get out of. A majority of Scottish people still want to remain in the Union and as Brexit gets underway, the case for an independent Scotland will be even worse than it would have been in 2014. Scotland will be demonstrably less able to rely on Oil revenues whilst Brexit would mean that unlike in 2014, Scotland would have no case for automatic EU accession, meaning that even if they did go independent, they'd have to spent ~10 years in the wilderness before rejoining the EU.
Second of all, if you look at the EU referendum campaign all of the conviction politicians were on the Leave side and all of the self-serving ones were on the Remain side. The leave side had all of the Tory Eurosceptics who had dedicated much of their political careers to getting Britain out of the EU, all you need to do is watch any speech by Danial Hannan to realise his sincerity to the Eurosceptic cause.
Boris Johnson basically risked his entire career by joining the Leave side, he put himself on the wrong side of the Tory establishment who controlled the party. People wrongly cite the fact that he wrote 2 articles as proof of his self-interested decision, but if you actually read his pro-remain article, it reads like he was trying to convince himself and failing that he should back Remain. Also if you read the book "All Out War: How Brexit sunk Britain's political Class" by Tim Shipman, you'll see that Boris actually agonised over whether his personal conviction to leave the EU should come before his personal loyalty to the PM.
Whilst by comparison look at the Remain side, you had most of the cabinet. Many were Eurosceptics, bullied and bribed with threats of demotion/promises of promotion into supporting the PM. You had the Chancellor who was so self-interested that he threatened a budget which would trash the country just to try and win the referendum. On the remain side, you had most of big business who had self-interestedly supported the Remain side.
The point is, the Leave side were demonstrably not "self-serving assholes", if anything the Remain side were.
It'll be nothing but luck for UK if brexit actually ends up benefiting them, because the reason why it "[B]must happen[/B]" is due to it winning the popular vote
the popular vote which it won because of the public's
1. belief in political populist lies and false promises
2. sentiment of INDEPENDENCE and "britain for the british"
instead of you know, actual reason and evidence
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51762317]i think i have had enough of these "serious geopolitical analysts"[/QUOTE]
It seems people only want to listen to experts who suit their narrative.
[editline]2nd February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Talishmar;51763148]It'll be nothing but luck for UK if brexit actually ends up benefiting them, because the reason why it "[B]must happen[/B]" is due to it winning the popular vote
the popular vote which it won because of the public's
1. belief in political populist lies and false promises
2. sentiment of INDEPENDENCE and "britain for the british"
instead of you know, actual reason and evidence[/QUOTE]
and you have something to back this apart from opinion?
[editline]2nd February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sableye;51763002]ya but at least we have an opposition party, the brits have the right and the left supporting this[/QUOTE]
tbh all MP's voting on this should have voted on the strength of what their constituents voted for, not what their party line was.
Corbyn's proven he's a daft cunt by asking his party (with a three line whip) to support this. His other political positions are alright (maybe a little too much authoritarian left wing regime supporting), but this will go down as the opposition doing nothing as the UK was led over the edge.
[QUOTE=cis.joshb;51767142]Corbyn's proven he's a daft cunt by asking his party (with a three line whip) to support this. His other political positions are alright (maybe a little too much authoritarian left wing regime supporting), but this will go down as the opposition doing nothing as the UK was led over the edge.[/QUOTE]
Corbyn's been dead in the water for a while, but that was the final explosion sinking him.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;51762602]"britain is tired of experts"[/QUOTE]
and facts
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38841747[/url]
[QUOTE=Kentz;51762479]why? they are much better at analysing the world than facepunchers including you and me[/QUOTE]
Give us a source then. I want to see these analysts.
[QUOTE=MarcusSmith;51761667]It was nice to be with you all.
Might you all brits people be lucky in those years and possibly not to get that fucked up.[/QUOTE]
lol
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-italy-s-economy-is-about-to-collapse-a7091221.html[/url]
or
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38841747[/url]
hopefully not as fucked up economically as you italians eh.
Hopefully we can get a half decent agreement with the EU. I was thinking recently the UK has a massive market for European cars and such, Britain's roads are literally covered with European cars, does this mean anything for negotiations?
[QUOTE=AncientFryup;51768029]Hopefully we can get a half decent agreement with the EU. I was thinking recently the UK has a massive market for European cars and such, Britain's roads are literally covered with European cars, does this mean anything for negotiations?[/QUOTE]
Enjoy the Chinese with their ownership of the MG Rover Group.
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