• Mike Pence goes to see Hamilton, gets booed by the audience
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//mistakes were made//
never mind, its all cool
Anybody who calls [I]this[/I] harassment has no place complaining about how people are too quick to take offense these days. The cast was incredibly respectful. They thanked him for coming, said they hoped he enjoyed the show, and asked him to be a compassionate leader. As the Vice President, you kind of have to expect to be addressed when you enter a public venue.
The crowd booed for a couple seconds and the speaker shut them up, I don't understand
Id boo him too tbh
[QUOTE=AugustBurnsRed;51396929]The crowd booed for a couple seconds and the speaker shut them up, I don't understand[/QUOTE] Apparently he was booed while walking in, but yeah, not like the production can control that
I work in a theatre and just the thought of a cast politically calling out somebody in the audience is making me anxious, let alone a shouting audience.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51396116][QUOTE=KillRay;51395909][Media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799974635274194947[/media] S a f e s p a c e[/QUOTE] Thanks for electing a man who cant even see the irony in him wanting a safe space for his supporters when trying to make it legal to sue papers for publishing the truth, America.[/QUOTE] Great to see the president-elect personally picking a fight with other Americans as well.
Obama never asked anyone to apologize to him after the hard right accused him of lying to everyone because he "wasn't born in the country". Picture if someone did something as disgusting as that to Trump, he'll go ape shit.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;51397344]Obama never asked anyone to apologize to him after the hard right accused him of lying to everyone because he "wasn't born in the country". Picture if someone did something as disgusting as that to Trump, he'll go ape shit.[/QUOTE] I can't decide whether it would be worth sinking to their level just for a guaranteed goldmine of laughs. Just imagining Trump trying to deal with his own, obviously ironic, version of the birther movement has me smirking.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;51397354]I can't decide whether it would be worth sinking to their level just for a guaranteed goldmine of laughs. Just imagining Trump trying to deal with his own, obviously ironic, version of the birther movement has me smirking.[/QUOTE] It is better than we prove that we are better than them by not steeping to their level so that when the next election comes, people remember those who acted with honour in the face of terrible opposition.
There's a conspiracy that Trumps chief strategist, Steve Bannon, the man who is known to troll and claims "Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they (liberals) get it wrong. When they're blind to who we are and what we're doing.", planned this as one of many ways to try and discredit "liberals" through the media. In other words, he's trying to create an image of Trump as a victim of the rude, violent, elite liberals. This is just one small part of the image he's trying to play up, because honestly what did they expect going to a theater and watching Hamilton... I'm not saying its true, in fact I'm not going to believe until further evidence, but if these types of things keep happening I just want us to be able to catch it. Nixon's administration did similar things.
[QUOTE=shadow_oap;51397494]There's a conspiracy that Trumps chief strategist, Steve Bannon, the man who is known to troll and claims "Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they (liberals) get it wrong. When they're blind to who we are and what we're doing.", planned this as one of many ways to try and discredit "liberals" through the media. In other words, he's trying to create an image of Trump as a victim of the rude, violent, elite liberals. This is just one small part of the image he's trying to play up, because honestly what did they expect going to a theater and watching Hamilton... I'm not saying its true, in fact I'm not going to believe until further evidence, but if these types of things keep happening I just want us to be able to catch it. Nixon's administration did similar things.[/QUOTE] Wasn't Nixon's stuff a hell of a lost sinister since he essentially set up the DEA to get black people and hippies arrested because they opposed Vietnam and well, of course, Watergate? This on the other hand seems tame if it is somehow a conspiracy (it's not).
[QUOTE=shadow_oap;51397494]There's a conspiracy that Trumps chief strategist, Steve Bannon, the man who is known to troll and claims "Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they (liberals) get it wrong. When they're blind to who we are and what we're doing.", planned this as one of many ways to try and discredit "liberals" through the media. In other words, he's trying to create an image of Trump as a victim of the rude, violent, elite liberals. This is just one small part of the image he's trying to play up, because honestly what did they expect going to a theater and watching Hamilton... I'm not saying its true, in fact I'm not going to believe until further evidence, but if these types of things keep happening I just want us to be able to catch it. Nixon's administration did similar things.[/QUOTE] I said as much a week ago: [QUOTE=Govna;51354525]It's strategic on his part. Trump ran an entire campaign around that kind of bigotry before. He intentionally riled his supporters up with it, and now they're running wild with it. And it's not just his supporters; other factions out there in this country are opportunistically seizing on it as well (the KKK, neo-Nazis and white supremacists, etc.). Now he's trying to make people forget all that shit he said and supported, and he's trying to make himself look like he's a good guy. He's not of course, and the whole "LET'S BE UNITED" thing is nothing but a bullshit act, but you wait and watch all the people that are going to fall for it-- not just his supporters either, there will be people out there who will genuinely think that just because he says or does something that sounds good or noble once in a while that he's alright and doesn't deserve all the hate he gets. He incites trouble and behaves as an instigator, then he retreats after he's got people riled up and plays the victim. "I'm such a caring guy who only wants what's best for his nation, and I can't for the life of me understand why everybody's so angry." It's a brilliant strategy because of how well it works. It proves however that he is not trustworthy in any sense of the term, as if all the lies he pulled out of his ass on the campaign trail and during the debates didn't already prove that.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call it a conspiracy. This is politics. These assholes know how to work people, they know how to lie and manipulate their way to the top. That's exactly what they're doing here, and unfortunately a lot of people are going to fall for it-- either because they're really [i]that[/i] stupid and can't see what's going on (mostly true of so-called "centrists" and "moderates", I think; the kinds of people that never want to take a position or a stand on anything, want to treat everything relativistically, and who never want to hurt anybody's feelings in other words), or because they genuinely support (for various reasons) Trump/sympathize with him and his cronies... so of course they're going to defend anything they do and hate on anything their opponents do. They'll play the role of flamboyant tough guys one minute when it's convenient, poor victims of those evil liberal oppressors the next. And a good number of people will eat their bullshit up. We need to start watching out for this shit now, early on. The sooner we get our head in the game, the better off we'll be. We'll be able to fight back against what they're doing more effectively. That's very important here.
You know usually I would side with being respectful and just letting the man be, but this is Mike Pence. An absolutely awful human being that deserves nothing but shit. His mere existence is already an insult.
[QUOTE=Amez;51397569]You know usually I would side with being respectful and just letting the man be, but this is Mike Pence. An absolutely awful human being that deserves nothing but shit. His mere existence is already an insult.[/QUOTE] Which is secondary, of course, to the fact that they [I]were[/I] respectful. Politely asking him to be a compassionate leader who observes the rights of all Americans, including the LGBT community and minorities, is not harassment.
[QUOTE=The golden;51396715]When a politician holds opinions as strong as Pence, it's hard to stay neutral to a person when you think they support them. Pence legit wants to lock up people like me and torture us. If someone says to my face they support Trump and Pence then there isn't any way I can avoid taking a side there. That's a direct attack on me no matter how I try to avoid thinking of it as such. This isn't differing views on trade deals and business and shit. These are people who are wanting to push agendas that will result in suffering and death. (I'm speaking as if I'm American here, I know I am not.)[/QUOTE] i missed this post, but that's what i was saying. i'm not american, i really don't care about Pence. While I recognize that his views are deplorable, it doesn't go any farther than that. I have my own life and my own country's politics to worry about. So I don't get how you can see "if i'm paying money to go see a broadway show, it's because i want to forget about the world for a period of time," and think "Oh wow he supports Pence" if there isn't a potent "with us or against us" atmosphere.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51397364]It is better than we prove that we are better than them by not steeping to their level so that when the next election comes, people remember those who acted with honour in the face of terrible opposition.[/QUOTE] Yeah, ultimately that would be my decision too. I think political actions done ~for the lols~ have done enough damage already.
The speech was preachy, meaningless, and virtue signaling, but it didn't go anywhere near "harassment." Also, to the people comparing this to the right's attacks on safe spaces, you're totally confusing ideas. The dislike of safe spaces comes from the idea of people hiding from ideas they disagree with. It has nothing to do with hiding from being singled out in a public place full of people who hate you. The fact that Pence is there makes it nothing like the left's safe spaces, where they try to ban those who disagree with them politically.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51398166]Everyone has a different definition of the word, so its essentially useless to argue over "safe spaces"[/QUOTE] Not really in this context. It's fundamentally different. The idea is that hearing opposing ideas shouldn't be an emotional problem for you. You shouldn't need to go hide in a 'safe space' because people said things you don't like.
[QUOTE=silaz;51395754]I feel like you shouldn't be punished for wanting to see a play[/QUOTE] [quote]Gay people be should electrocuted until they're straight, meanwhile I'm going to enjoy these idiot backwards godless gay corrupting our youth with their devil dicks people perform musical theater.[/quote] None of that strikes as hypocritical, then?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51397626]Which is secondary, of course, to the fact that they [I]were[/I] respectful. Politely asking him to be a compassionate leader who observes the rights of all Americans, including the LGBT community and minorities, is not harassment.[/QUOTE] Shit I didn't mean to say that everyone there was disrespectful. They were really polite with everything. I'm just saying that I wouldn't be as respectful. I wish I could have the restraint to actually be nice to a man like that, which is why I really give credit to the cast and audience.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51398250]The_Donald is taking this news well [t]https://i.imgur.com/TCu0wwu.png[/t][/QUOTE] This is so badly and awful misinformed I still can't decide whether they are serious or whether they are trolling at this point.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;51395768]APOLOGIZE. Though really, I think they should have just left him be. Regardless of what you think of him, nobody really deserves to be publicly lectured. It's just bad practice.[/QUOTE] Cause the public to dislike you and you get disliked in public.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;51395930]Well considering one of the biggest themes of Hamilton is that America is an incredibly diverse place that thrives off the hard work that immigrants put into our country, no shit he was gonna be unwelcome there. lmao Lin Manuel Miranda basically called Trump a piece of shit on SNL, I don't think the cast is going to back down[/QUOTE] Context for those who haven't seen it [video=youtube;AsupmN90wBk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsupmN90wBk[/video] [editline]19th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Matthew0505;51398250]The_Donald is taking this news well [t]https://i.imgur.com/TCu0wwu.png[/t][/QUOTE] To be fair it is a fucking zinger, I'll give them that
[QUOTE=sgman91;51398119]The speech was preachy, meaningless, and virtue signaling, but it didn't go anywhere near "harassment." Also, to the people comparing this to the right's attacks on safe spaces, you're totally confusing ideas. The dislike of safe spaces comes from the idea of people hiding from ideas they disagree with. It has nothing to do with hiding from being singled out in a public place full of people who hate you. The fact that Pence is there makes it nothing like the left's safe spaces, where they try to ban those who disagree with them politically.[/QUOTE] On the other hand I disagree and I think it's pretty hilarious that trump is asking people to be politically correct and not express free speech.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51398289]On the other hand I disagree and I think it's pretty hilarious that trump is asking people to be politically correct and not express free speech.[/QUOTE] But it has nothing to do with political correctness? He didn't say that they should be stopped from speaking their mind. He said that they shouldn't have said it at that time. No one is calling for the Hamilton show to be banned because the actor's words are unnacceptable. It has nothing to do with the content of the words that were spoken, but with the time and place they were spoken at being inappropriate. Those are very different things.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51398333]That's one definition, yes[/QUOTE] What other definition do the right use?
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;51398284]Context for those who haven't seen it [video=youtube;AsupmN90wBk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsupmN90wBk[/video] [editline]19th November 2016[/editline] To be fair it is a fucking zinger, I'll give them that[/QUOTE] It's a terrible zinger because it's an implied threat of well... shooting. They are REALLY not doing favours for themselves.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51398374]Whatever suits their needs at the time most likely I don't know, they're not a hive-mind[/QUOTE] Can you give an example of another use of the word?
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