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[QUOTE=postmanX3;26553190]Ninja edit, I see. (Previously, he said "Using your logic, Bieber thinks he's above the law.) And the harm is that there is, in fact, some information that should not be free.[/QUOTE] I did the edit because my automerge was broken. And I am thoroughly disgusted that someone just said [quote]some information that should not be free.[/quote], especially since it [B]IS NOT WORLD ENDING SHIT.[/B]
[QUOTE=Nerts;26553218]They don't want [i]all[/i] information public, they censor blatantly dangerous information themselves and have help from some "experts", whoever they are, for anything they don't catch.[/QUOTE] Currently, maybe. But this kind of leaking is inevitably going to lead to the next step. It's a chain reaction, the government isn't going to be completely compromised in a day.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26553216]So far it's done more good than bad.[/QUOTE] When you think about it, it really hasn't done much of anything good or changed anyone's lives for the better. All it's done so far is piss off other countries and generally hurt international relations.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;26553253]I did the edit because my automerge was broken. And I am thoroughly disgusted that someone just said , especially since it [B]IS NOT WORLD ENDING SHIT.[/B][/QUOTE] HOW MANY GOD DAMN TIMES MUST I RESTATE THIS: It's not that the current information is dangerous, it's that this is representative of an exceedingly dangerous step.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;26553294]HOW MANY GOD DAMN TIMES MUST I RESTATE THIS: It's not that the current information is dangerous, it's that this is representative of an exceedingly dangerous step.[/QUOTE] Oh, so you're arguing from the "Slippery slope" fallacy? And what, pray tell, is the next step in your mind?
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26553179]So why don't we try to make it more respectable. Every presidential administration has scandals. it's just the seriousness of the ones that are caught. Look at Nixon and watergate. We'll have ten watergates if we support this kind of thing. I [b]want[/b] to see radical support for this movement. America, and the rest of the modern world is going through immense changes, why not facilitate that process.[/QUOTE] Then we need to legitimately vote people dedicated to the freedom of (safe) information into office, we don't leave it to megalomaniacs.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;26553294]HOW MANY GOD DAMN TIMES MUST I RESTATE THIS: It's not that the current information is dangerous, it's that this is representative of an exceedingly dangerous step.[/QUOTE] So we should shut something down and arrest/murder/detaine the main responsible for something that he hasn't done yet? Representative of a dangerous step? What does that mean? Should I be arrested if I draw a picture of a gun and hold it out for people to see?
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;26553324]Oh, so you're arguing from the "Slippery slope" fallacy? And what, pray tell, is the next step in your mind?[/QUOTE] Uh-hm. Fallacy. You realize every action has consequences, no? You realize that releasing confidential information (regardless of its direct danger) is only encouraging even crazier/more idiotic people to find ways to release more, and more dangerous information? It doesn't stop at a few civilian kill rates.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;26553368]Uh-hm. Fallacy. You realize every action has consequences, no? You realize that releasing confidential information (regardless of its direct danger) is only encouraging even crazier/more idiotic people to find ways to release more, and more dangerous information? It doesn't stop at a few civilian kill rates.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;26553324]And what, pray tell, is the next step in your mind?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zatar;26553023]Nice generalization there.[/QUOTE] So far I've yet to see anyone else that does. As long as it's all about "FIGHT THE POWAH!" all the lefty teenagers on here are going to jizz over it no matter how stupid it is or what consequences it will bring.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26553331]So we should shut something down and arrest/murder/detaine the main responsible for something that he hasn't done yet? Representative of a dangerous step? What does that mean? Should I be arrested if I draw a picture of a gun and hold it out for people to see?[/QUOTE] I never said I supported the arrest/murder/detaining of Assange for his information leaking-related actions. And "representative of a dangerous step" as in [QUOTE=postmanX3;26553368]Uh-hm. Fallacy. You realize every action has consequences, no? You realize that releasing confidential information (regardless of its direct danger) is only encouraging even crazier/more idiotic people to find ways to release more, and more dangerous information? It doesn't stop at a few civilian kill rates.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;26553385]So far I've yet to see anyone else that does. As long as it's all about "FIGHT THE POWAH!" all the lefty teenagers on here are going to jizz over it no matter how stupid it is or what consequences it will bring.[/QUOTE] What consequences? What tangible, real consequences will this bring?
Where can I get the insurance file, and has the code been released yet? I can't look through 9 pages for it
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;26553385]So far I've yet to see anyone else that does. As long as it's all about "FIGHT THE POWAH!" all the lefty teenagers on here are going to jizz over it no matter how stupid it is or what consequences it will bring.[/QUOTE] I don't see any consequences. Everyone just says "BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN."
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26553191]And who decides that it should be kept confidential?[/QUOTE] Top military advisers, experts in national security. Anyone besides a forum full of teenagers.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;26553324]And what, pray tell, is the next step in your mind?[/QUOTE] Do I need to fucking spell it out for you? Apparently so. I'm talking about the people who find this same information and proceed to release it without the dangerous parts removed.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26553031]And my axe![/QUOTE] And my hammer too! [QUOTE=postmanX3;26553087]:words:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=postmanX3;26553087]:words:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=postmanX3;26553087]:words:[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-getout.png[/img]
Why do people think that Wikileaks is going to bring in a new era of transparency and freedom of information? It's far more likely that the US government and other affected groups will just lock down this sort of information even more securely, and make it even harder to get this sort of information.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;26553368]Uh-hm. Fallacy. You realize every action has consequences, no? You realize that releasing confidential information (regardless of its direct danger) is only encouraging even crazier/more idiotic people to find ways to release more, and more dangerous information? It doesn't stop at a few civilian kill rates.[/QUOTE] Also, [quote=Wikipedia]A slippery slope argument states that a relatively small first step inevitably leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant impact, much like an object given a small push over the edge of a slope sliding all the way to the bottom.[/quote] "Some information will get released therefore more information will get released therefore [B]BAAAAD THIIINGS[/B]"
[QUOTE=Atokniro;26553403]Where can I get the insurance file, and has the code been released yet? I can't look through 9 pages for it[/QUOTE] [url]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5636656/WikiLeaks%20insurance%20aes256.torrent[/url] Code's not out, things aren't that bad yet.
This is a good thing.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;26553426]Do I need to fucking spell it out for you? Apparently so. I'm talking about the people who find this same information and proceed to release it without the dangerous parts removed.[/QUOTE] So you're still saying "BAD STUFF WILL HAPPEN SOMEHOW BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO STAY IGNORANT?"
So far all I've seen from the diplomatic cables is that governments sometimes say mean things behind each other's backs and also practice realpolitik. If you needed Wikileaks to tell you that, you probably aren't any more of an informed voter than you were before.
Finally! this should have happened long ago. He is a criminal for breaking the Espionage Act of 1917. He would be guilty of treason if only he had a alleagence to the U.S.A. He may still be guilty of treason to other countries he released thing related to.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;26552679]This thread is a circlejerk of 13-year-olds and neckbeards apparently all going through the "fuck authority" stage.[/QUOTE] childish condescension and ad hominem sure elevates this debate I mean, I could call the wikileaks haters authority sycophants but what does that add? You aren't arguing anything at all, only insulting the people who are making the argument. I mean, if wikileaks supporters are just 13 year olds and neckbeards you should have no problem demolishing them in an argument. But you're not, so either you can't debunk their points or are not willing to and that fault is with you.
[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26553406]I don't see any consequences. Everyone just says "BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN."[/QUOTE] Already, countries have been afraid to even communicate with each other(especially usa) and it's just pissing people off and when these leaders get pissed off you see things like ACTA come into place and if it didn't stop, then who knows how much farther they would have been willing to go.
[QUOTE=TH89;26553481]So far all I've seen from the diplomatic cables is that governments sometimes say mean things behind each other's backs and also practice realpolitik. If you needed Wikileaks to tell you that, you probably aren't any more of an informed voter than you were before.[/QUOTE] I know, Wikileaks just showed and confirmed what we knew -or suspected- all along, but I like the fact that they had the balls to go ahead and made it public and accessible for everyone, knowing what will happen next, specially to Assange. And that's why me sword's by his side.
[QUOTE=Athena;26553532]childish condescension and ad hominem sure elevates this debate I mean, I could call the wikileaks haters authority sycophants but what does that add? You aren't arguing anything at all, only insulting the people who are making the argument. I mean, if wikileaks supporters are just 13 year olds and neckbeards you should have no problem demolishing them in an argument. But you're not, so either you can't debunk their points or are not willing to and that fault is with you.[/QUOTE] Except they've made no tangible points beyond "but you say 'bad things' and information should be free", meaning I don't have a lot to argue with. Would you prefer that I delete that neckbead statement? Would it make me that much better?
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;26553573]I know, Wikileaks just showed and confirmed what we knew -or suspected- all along, but I like the fact that they had the balls to go ahead and make it public and accessible for everyone. And that's why me sword's by his side[/QUOTE] Exactly. Honestly, who was surprised that Putin ran his government like a mafia? Or that a Turkish leader might have wanted to restore Ottoman Empire?
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;26553535]Already, countries have been afraid to even communicate with each other(especially usa) and it's just pissing people off and when these leaders get pissed off you see things like ACTA come into place and if it didn't stop, then who knows how much farther they would have been willing to go.[/QUOTE] So your argument for "its dangerous" is a slippery slope and a completely unrelated bill (that deals with copyright infringement of all things)
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