• David Haines beheaded by ISIS
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[QUOTE=Pokeman493;45974334]It isn't quick with a knife that size[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DETrooper;45974306]I haven't watched any of the 3 videos but I'd like to know if the beheading is quick and painless or if they suffer. That knife doesn't look very big. [IMG]http://i.gyazo.com/feff7c8a4cd0837457a508caaf38c9ba.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] It would be relatively easy actually. This is just experience from beheading animals while gutting them, but a knife that size is within perfect range to behead someone. The only true problem you would run into is the spine, and that's remedied by making a fracture into the bone, and pull-snaping it with one hand behind, and pulling on whatever is relatively easiest to pull on. Not that deer and such are exactly humans, but I'd imagine the same practice applies. :v:
Man I don't even care about ISIS anymore Either someone is going to go over there and wipe them out, or they're just going to keep doing what they do. Been there done that now, these beheadings are losing their shock value
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45972581]I hope they get a faceful of 5.56 soon[/QUOTE] Do they have something rusty stuck on their faces? [img]http://www.5-56.nu/img/cans1.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Saxon;45972693]That's probably part of it, they wanna fight the west as part of there Jihad.[/QUOTE] Why don't we give them their war and exterminate all of them? It's a win win situation after all.
[QUOTE=Hat-Wearing Man;45974375]It's not a single precise strike like a medieval executioner. More of a sawing motion as with box cutters[/QUOTE] In medieval times most of the time it used to take multiple swings to behead someone, unlike in the movies, where it is a one-hit decapitation all the time. [quote=Wikipedia]If the headsman's axe or sword was sharp and his aim was precise, decapitation was quick and was presumed to be a relatively painless form of death. If the instrument was blunt or the executioner clumsy, however, multiple strokes might be required to sever the head. The person to be executed was therefore advised to give a gold coin to the headsman to ensure that he did his job with care. Robert Devereux, 2nd Earl of Essex, and Mary, Queen of Scots, required three strikes at their respective executions.[6][7] Margaret Pole, 8th Countess of Salisbury, is said to have required up to ten strokes before decapitation was achieved.[/quote]
Bring in the hellfire missles please
However this problem ends up getting solved, I hope it's achieved with as few casualties as possible. But from the way ISIS operates, I get the feeling that the fewest will still be a large number... I just don't want the West to be even further reviled.
I really hope these monsters face the burning claw of justice soon.
[QUOTE=laserguided;45974322]You guys know the terrorist's are winning right? You're outraged, exhausted and angry and the media essentially do all of the terrorist's dirty work for them.[/QUOTE] Well considering the middle east isn't one purified, united caliphate, I'm going to have to say they haven't quite won yet.
[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;45973141]Why not? Just playing devil's advocate here but if there's a reason to record and distribute footage of a beheading, there's a reason to fake it too. I know what you mean, they're just savages and they have no reason NOT to behead someone, but it's not like the possibility isn't there. It would also kind of explain how incredibly calm the reporters are in the videos.[/QUOTE] or they are so inconceivably scared shitless knowing they are about to get beheaded and go into the great beyond that they can't even really show any emotion or even let out a yelp. I literally can't picture in my head the feeling and complete and total despair these people went through as they were made to kneel to get their heads slowly cut off. Like I wonder if you start doubting the afterlife in that moment or you are 100% sure it's going to be alright in order to comfort yourself, but in the end the feeling completely shuts out other emotions.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45972895]They need [i]rehabilitation[/i].[/QUOTE] [I]With extreme prejudice.[/I]
For fuck's sake, the man was an aid worker. The other two were fucking journalists. Not to mention the mass-slaughter/destruction of ethnic minorities and their 'fellow brothers' who refuse to help them pull this off. Why the fuck do we have people from the US/UK/West in general heading over to join ISIS despite these clear atrocities. TBH, I'm a firm believer in basic human rights but the people who're directly responsible for this, if they were to be captured, should have the same done to them. Taken out into the wilderness and beheaded as these men were in retaliation for all of the murders they've committed not just against the beheading victims but also the slaughter of their fellow arabs. Send them a warning along the lines of 'one of yours for every person you murder'.
they behead him then we beheaded him then someone else behead us... joint to ISIS beheaded challenge btw i always read title as David Cameron....
[QUOTE=FluD;45984721]btw i always read title as David Cameron....[/QUOTE] wishful thinking? :)
[QUOTE=MillySoose;45974376]Actually liveleak started deleting ISIS beheading videos when the UK made it a terrorist act to watch them. (LL is hosted in the UK)[/QUOTE] they made it a terrorist act to watch a video? shit, what if someone broadcasts it in public? whole lot of terrorism going on there
[QUOTE=bye;45984734]wishful thinking? :)[/QUOTE] why not... Tell me who you honestly feel sorry for, another politician or a simple worker trapped in the wrong place at the wrong time. you guys deeply ass sitting on the hook of another war for peace and democracy, not seeing under your nose that you have going on sadly I can't express all my thoughts.. the language barrier
I don't feel sorry either of them, they knew the risks of their presence, despite the 'humanitarian' aspect of their work - For all we know, they could have been security contractors or spies, the only 'evidence' we have to the contrary is some soppy media stories that could well have been completely fabricated. It's unfortunate that the locals of these nations are caught up in this extremist situation themselves, but with human rights atrocities committed on all sides of the table, I'm finding it hard to empathise with politicians to support a war we do not belong in. All I see is a huge pack of hypocrite nations banding together to form a coalition against 'terrorism' of which they are the biggest perpetrators themselves (if 'human rights' atrocities can be counted as terrorism that is obfuscated through the narrative of the media) -Australia commits human rights atrocities with their immigration policies and actions against those that seek asylum -America commits human rights atrocities with torture and incarceration -The UK is also complicit in human rights atrocities regarding torture -Israel commits human rights atrocities towards Palestine (read: Genocide), but they're Americas settler nation buddy who get a free pass (and funding since the 70s) -The Saudi Kingdom and Pakistan commits human rights atrocities with beheading themselves everyone's doing it, yet I'm meant to be outraged and support a war because an initially some initially CIA funded group commits some human rights atrocities? Nah, Fuck David Cameron, he can hang, as can Obama and Abbott and whatever other dickwit nation supports this coalition. They should be subject to the recourse of their own governments atrocities themselves Actually let's just indiscriminately bomb them, that worked really well for America in Yemen It's disconcerting that people think they're savages without remembering their own governments are the biggest perpetrators of savage acts, it's clear the media and the 'terrorists' are winning this battle
[QUOTE=bye;45984933]I don't feel sorry either of them, they knew the risks of their presence, despite the 'humanitarian' aspect of their work - For all we know, they could have been security contractors or spies, the only 'evidence' we have to the contrary is some soppy media stories that could well have been completely fabricated.[/QUOTE] Why, for all we know they could have been child-molesting, mass-murdering neo-nazis! I don't see any evidence that they weren't! Why, I dare says they got the least of what they deserved!
nice cherrypicking, I never said they deserved it
[QUOTE=bye;45985048]nice cherrypicking, I never said they deserved it[/QUOTE] No you just trivialized it with that trite, "they knew the risks" line, and then continued to list some things they could have conceivably been that wouldn't sounds as tragic as journalists and aide workers.
it's not trite at all, and despite there being no proof for either point, it's a moot point I personally don't find it any less horrific than any of the aforementioned human rights atrocities
Half-baked conspiracy theories, calls for mass genocide, and sociopathic comments that the deceased had it coming. Good morning to you too, Facepunch.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;45985104]Half-baked conspiracy theories, calls for mass genocide, and sociopathic comments that the deceased had it coming. Good morning to you too, Facepunch.[/QUOTE] entertainment at its best
[QUOTE=bye;45985093]it's not trite at all, and despite there being no proof for either point, it's a moot point I personally don't find it any less horrific than any of the aforementioned human rights atrocities[/QUOTE] pretty fucked up not to feel sorry for anybody that got beheaded though dude. no matter who it was
[QUOTE=Rusty100;45985115]pretty fucked up not to feel sorry for anybody that got beheaded though dude. no matter who it was[/QUOTE] do you spend your life feeling sorry for every atrocity that was committed against people worldwise? Do you sit on Liveleak and watch people get murdered and feel sorry for them? Or do you only feel this way when it's the topic of the day and when the narrative of the situation dictates it? Nobody deserves to die, that's a given, don't try demonize me like you're some kind of moral saint this is in your face, and you're meant to feel this way and that is what is justifying military action - this is the point I'm trying to make, however cold I may be communicating it
tbh when I think of humanitarian aid workers I think of workers who try to help those in the margins who are torn up because of war and all they do is provide first aid, water, food and someone to talk to. Not secret government contracted spies to do that + give information on ISIL
[QUOTE=bye;45985178]do you spend your life feeling sorry for every atrocity that was committed against people worldwise?[/QUOTE] it's not like I have to ponder long on it to know that I feel sorry for the dude. yeah. when i ever learn of an atrocity committed, I feel sorry for the victim(s). that's how human empathy works? the only narrative of the situation i'm aware of is that a dude died. in a really shitty way. and that sucks.
yes, I should feel sorry for this guy, if not more so because he's been used as an example by governments that are using this event to justify aims which I cannot empathise with I still however am not convinced that we have the full story, I'm not saying this guy deserved what happened and still I don't think I suggested that people feel sorry for others when there is a tragic event that is out of their control, but when it is in their degree of control, it is more difficult to empathise with the situation.
[QUOTE=bye;45985265] people feel sorry for others when there is a tragic event that is out of their control, but when it is in their degree of control, it is more difficult to empathise with the situation.[/QUOTE] so when people volunteering in dangerous areas come to harm, we shouldn't feel bad for them because they knew what they were getting into? yeah man fuck those ebola aid workers in Africa, dumbasses risking their lives to save others! [editline]15th September 2014[/editline] you have a really fucked up way of thinking
Guess another one bites the dust.
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