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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43251213]Yeah some people seem to think that the more extreme you go with it the more progressive you are, which really isn't the case.[/QUOTE] While this is true, one can't help but mention that people say stuff like this all the time to stifle ideas deemed too radical at the time that are now widely accepted. I've also heard people use this principle to justify why men's rights activists should exist.
[QUOTE=Heroku;43251553]you wouldn't get such petty shitstorms that way[/QUOTE] Is that supposed to be a good thing? As long as people don't flame each other it's all fine
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43250859]The only one of those who is actually terrifying is person11 because he seems to have gone totally insane recently. Dunno why you're all so scared of pain, guy just tells it like it is. The points are all right, you might not agree with the method he presents them, but that doesn't mean he's wrong.[/QUOTE] Um thank you I think the best way to cause a shitstorm is to personally call people out by name. I'm still puzzled as to how one could consider the post linked in my new awesome title insane. I tried reading the rest of the thread when I got back to the internet after finals, but a few friends told me not to bother...
[QUOTE=person11;43251651]Um thank you I think the best way to cause a shitstorm is to personally call people out by name. I'm still puzzled as to how one could consider the post linked in my new awesome title insane. I tried reading the rest of the thread when I got back to the internet after finals, but a few friends told me not to bother...[/QUOTE] Um that is pretty insane and mostly just plain wrong. 99% of rapists and murderers are men? Come the fuck on, that's an insane thing to say and to even suggest an app is needed to protect women from them is ridiculous as well. How is an app rating going to protect them from rapists and murderers? Come on..
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43251625]Is that supposed to be a good thing? As long as people don't flame each other it's all fine[/QUOTE] Problem is that mods don't ban some people for flaming, because those people might be right in the argument. Right or not, flaming and shitposting should be a bannable offense in any circumstance. But some mods are too biased to grasp that (Looking at you Max). [QUOTE=person11;43251651]Um thank you I think the best way to cause a shitstorm is to personally call people out by name. I'm still puzzled as to how one could consider the post linked in my new awesome title insane. I tried reading the rest of the thread when I got back to the internet after finals, but a few friends told me not to bother...[/QUOTE] The ratings ratio in the picture speaks for itself. It's not even 49 / 51%, it's downright 1 / 99% You need some serious self reflection.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;43251093]Last I checked, he was trying so hard to be feminist that be became a little sexist himself.[/QUOTE] I mean yeah I can see where one would get than impression. My title would be a lot funnier if it were 'Misandrist' instead, but oh well. [editline]20th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;43251114]The thing that made me realise "maybe this dude needs help" is when he agreed with someone that men as a totality should be rounded up and punished to show them what is wrong. Even Max tells him to back the fuck down now. Truly terrifying.[/QUOTE] I remember that guy I said I agreed with,pretty sure he was trolling and said things very strongly. However he never said all guys should be punished or something like that. People tend to take concepts like privilege to these wild extremes when I don't even go there. Anyway it's posts like the one I'm responding to that tell me to stop taking feminism threads seriously on SH anymore. Not sure why I ever bothered. Also, don't remember max ever telling me to back down? Was that in the Lulu thread I never caught up to?
[QUOTE=mobrockers;43251684]Um that is pretty insane and mostly just plain wrong. 99% of rapists and murderers are men? Come the fuck on, that's an insane thing to say and to even suggest an app is needed to protect women from them is ridiculous as well. How is an app rating going to protect them from rapists and murderers? Come on..[/QUOTE] last i checked people use 99% pretty frequently as a general high percentage number without actually meaning 99%. also this isn't a "make fun of your favorite feminist on fp" thread. stop trying to argue about a completely different thread with person11. if you dislike him and want to talk about it then take it to pm's on topic beyonce is rad and i like her music very much.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43251710]Problem is that mods don't ban some people for flaming, because those people might be right in the argument.[/QUOTE] Bullshit. I always get banned for flaming, and I'm always right
[QUOTE=mobrockers;43251684]Um that is pretty insane and mostly just plain wrong. 99% of rapists and murderers are men? Come the fuck on, that's an insane thing to say and to even suggest an app is needed to protect women from them is ridiculous as well. How is an app rating going to protect them from rapists and murderers? Come on..[/QUOTE] Oh god I really don't want to get into it. I never meant to imply that this app will do anything useful. I'm sure a bunch of MRAs will spam it with fake reviews from fake girl Facebook accounts or something. I'm just advocating in general for safe spaces for women from men, with all the stuff they've had to deal with for the entirety of human history. Also the 99% figure is a pretty well established estimate. Rates of reporting probably mean the actual rate may be different, though. The figure also does not imply that 99% of victims are women either. The general trend also indicates that most men who are raped are raped by men. I probably was exaggerating the murder part. I can't be sure of how many women are responsible for murder, but I know that in many countries men are the highest cause of death for young women. Oops, got into it. Still don't see why this response would cause a shitstorm, even if you think I'm wrong. I don't think I've ever insulted anyone.
Oh hey I'm here maybe we can have a small shitstorm?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;43251812]Bullshit. I always get banned for flaming, and I'm always right[/QUOTE] Have a verbal reacharound with one of the less professional moderators. Bam, diplomatic immunity. [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;43251953]Oh hey I'm here maybe we can have a small shitstorm?[/QUOTE] Only if you've eaten your vegetables. You need all those vitamins for flinging shit and disguising personal attacks as arguments.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43251710] The ratings ratio in the picture speaks for itself. It's not even 49 / 51%, it's downright 1 / 99% You need some serious self reflection.[/QUOTE] Why would I care what ratings I get on SH or on facepunch in general
[QUOTE=Pelican;43250782] oh and jeep-eep[/QUOTE] jeep-eep only spams dumb/agree ratings though. i think i've only seen him post once.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;43251414]I thought it was when he caused that guy who was going through a lot if shit to have a breakdown by going on about how privliged he is. Normally I think people give Thisispain shit, but that was way out if line.[/QUOTE] tbh if he was unstable enough to have a real proper mental breakdown from a relatively mild internet discussion on feminism, i kind of doubt anybody could have prevented that
[QUOTE=person11;43252014]Why would I care what ratings I get on SH or on facepunch in general[/QUOTE] Take it as proof that you maybe just [i]MIGHT[/i] be going off the end of the extreme scale instead of staying in the sound & sensible zone where you'd actually make any sense.
[QUOTE=Cone;43252062]tbh if he was unstable enough to have a real proper mental breakdown from a relatively mild internet discussion on feminism, i kind of doubt anybody could have prevented that[/QUOTE] Usually a discussion means discussing the topic ad not using the topic to take dirty jabs at other posters in a holier than thou manner Holy shit frozensoda told it like it is
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43252080]Take it as proof that you maybe just [i]MIGHT[/i] be going off the end of the extreme scale instead of staying in the sound & sensible zone where you'd actually make any sense.[/QUOTE] Ok let me rephrase that, why would facepunch be any kind of standard for scale.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;43252126]Usually a discussion means discussing the topic ad not using the topic to take dirty jabs at other posters in a holier than thou manner[/QUOTE] yeah maybe it wasn't so mild but pretty far from breakdown-inducing. i guess it might have been exacerbated by the argument, but like i said if an internet argument was the straw that broke the camel's back, then he was clearly fairly unstable to begin with, and i don't think anyone could have done anything to change that at the time. yeah i'll admit that pain is a dick, but i really think it was just a matter of running into the wrong kind of guy with the wrong kind of mental state.
[QUOTE=person11;43252142]Ok let me rephrase that, why would facepunch be any kind of standard for scale.[/QUOTE] Never said it was, but when you stick out like a sore thumb, then don't expect people to take you seriously in any positive manner. Again, sensible is the keyword, you literally alienate people with your strong stance, so even if you were onto something you'd end up looking like a massive tool instead. When you come off as a brash nutter, you'd get the exact opposite reaction of what you'd hoped for, and in the end that means it was all counter productive.
"brash nutter" sounds like a superhero with a speech impediment.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43252043]jeep-eep only spams dumb/agree ratings though. i think i've only seen him post once.[/QUOTE] Everything I'd have said has already been said. No reason to interject as of yet.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;43252595]Everything I'd have said has already been said. No reason to interject as of yet.[/QUOTE] Oh man, not only did he respond, he rated me disagree. Quite an eventful day here on Face Punch Studios.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43252398]Never said it was, but when you stick out like a sore thumb, then don't expect people to take you seriously in any positive manner. Again, sensible is the keyword, you literally alienate people with your strong stance, so even if you were onto something you'd end up looking like a massive tool instead. When you come off as a brash nutter, you'd get the exact opposite reaction of what you'd hoped for, and in the end that means it was all counter productive.[/QUOTE] Well yeah I realize how dumb it is to try now, at least here. No matter how diplomatically I try to reason everything out without ever insulting anyone or making stuff up, nothing will change, at least nothing will change without waiting. The stuff I'm talking about is beyond the Facepunch's political spectrum, so far to the left it would not even be noticeable on the forum if it weren't for my ramblings.
[QUOTE=person11;43252662]Well yeah I realize how dumb it is to try now, at least here. No matter how diplomatically I try to reason everything out without ever insulting anyone or making stuff up, nothing will change, at least nothing will change without waiting. The stuff I'm talking about is beyond the Facepunch's political spectrum, so far to the left it would not even be noticeable on the forum if it weren't for my ramblings.[/QUOTE] FP is pretty damn leftist compared to the rest of the internet populace, so you're not just a little bit extreme.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43252398]Never said it was, but when you stick out like a sore thumb, then don't expect people to take you seriously in any positive manner. Again, sensible is the keyword, you literally alienate people with your strong stance, so even if you were onto something you'd end up looking like a massive tool instead. When you come off as a brash nutter, you'd get the exact opposite reaction of what you'd hoped for, and in the end that means it was all counter productive.[/QUOTE] why should he or anyone try to appeal to your sense of "moderatism"? the fact that you aren't able to take extreme ideas seriously even if the idea is valid shows that [i]you[/i] are the one with the closed mind. maybe if you step outside the box you will realize that people have been discussing things and analyzing things for a long time out here and that some of us have good ideas. not saying you have to agree, but at least acknowledge that we aren't crazy. remember that all the things you consider moderate or sensible now were once extreme and radical when the idea was first invented.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43252756]FP is pretty damn leftist compared to the rest of the internet populace, so you're not just a little bit extreme.[/QUOTE] Let it drop, Person11 made their peace.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43252756]FP is pretty damn leftist compared to the rest of the internet populace, so you're not just a little bit extreme.[/QUOTE] It may seem that way, but I see a lot of faux moderate rhetoric that is used to hide a more rightwing way of thinking. Facepunch is not as leftist and edgy as one may think [editline]20th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=glitchvid;43252796]Let it drop, Person11 made their peace.[/QUOTE] Oh oops. I do not want to argue but I still feel compelled to respond to people...
[QUOTE=person11;43252662]Well yeah I realize how dumb it is to try now, at least here. No matter how diplomatically I try to reason everything out without ever insulting anyone or making stuff up, nothing will change, at least nothing will change without waiting. The stuff I'm talking about is beyond the Facepunch's political spectrum, so far to the left it would not even be noticeable on the forum if it weren't for my ramblings.[/QUOTE] I'm always one for a healthy debate but with you I don't even know where to begin. I think it's this sentence that's stopping me: [QUOTE=person11;43251880]I'm just advocating in general for safe spaces for women from men, with all the stuff they've had to deal with for the entirety of human history.[/QUOTE] You're even pushing the divide further by suggesting women have these no-boys-allowed areas and as a man I feel kind of... oppressed?
I like this song that beyonce did that one time [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ9BWndKEgs[/media]
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;43252916]You're even pushing the divide further by suggesting women have these no-boys-allowed areas and as a man I feel kind of... oppressed?[/QUOTE] i wanna address this too. i gotta ask, though: are you actually wanting to understand this viewpoint? it really isn't "pushing for divide" when you use a different way of framing culture or society. "masculinity" is a gender role of violence. it's violence by men against men. it's violence by men against women. this is the culture we live in now. women are particularly vulnerable to violence from men because not only are men encouraged towards violence, women are encouraged to be submissive. creating "safe spaces" doesn't create a divide or deepen one, it acknowledges that the divide is there and that human beings are at risk. the idea is you create safe spaces for women from men while you ALSO fight the culture that has shaped masculinity into a position of violent dominator. women won't need safe spaces from men when men are not told that violence is manly, but that's going to come at an indefinite time in the future. while violence is part of "manhood" in our culture, we need to protect people from the problems that "manhood" creates. [editline]20th December 2013[/editline] that might be a different answer than the one person11 would provide, but it seems the most clear and simple to me.
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