[QUOTE=mobrockers;43254581]I like lesbian porn :c
Normal porn is often so violent, I don't like it. Lesbian porn is often more gentle.[/QUOTE]
and that is a cultural schema. i dont think its a surprise that lesbian pornography made by lesbians themselves differ hugely from lesbian pornography made by mainstream porn companies.
i could go on for hours on why men like lesbian pornography, but id just start rambling
[QUOTE=person11;43254590]By destroying all perceived differences and keeping only the physical ones. I've heard radical feminists say that an ideal society would make it so your sex would only be relevant to your doctor and the person you have sex with or having a kid. Meaning it would be completely inconsequential any other time.[/QUOTE]
I thought men and women had different brains as well (transgenderism?), or do you think transgenderism for example is a direct result of gender constructs? (man feels like a woman because they associate more with traits assumed to be feminine and thus feel like a woman)
[QUOTE=mobrockers;43254656]I thought men and women had different brains as well (transgenderism?), or do you think transgenderism for example is a direct result of gender constructs? (man feels like a woman because they associate more with traits assumed to be feminine and thus feel like a woman)[/QUOTE]
That is a super complicated question I can't answer. I know two radical feminist neurologists and they have opposite opinions. One, who I do not agree with, says that her research shows that all trans* issues are social constructs and calls all transwomen mens rights activists. The other points to a large body of research showing the presence of a kind of "gender" in the brain causing gender dysphoria.
I know that nothing that is discovered will ever make me transphobic, but I really do not know enough about the brain to answer whether gender is is purely social or comes from neural differences as well.
[QUOTE=person11;43254621]The people who continue to respect those social roles would not be called masculine or feminine. A girl could like dresses and it would not be considered feminine because the concept would not exist. There would be no force determining what behaviors are the most acceptable based on sex.[/QUOTE]
The word you use doesn't really matter.
[editline]20th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=person11;43254697]That is a super complicated question I can't answer. I know two radical feminist neurologists and they have opposite opinions. One, who I do not agree with, says that her research shows that all trans* issues are social constructs and calls all transwomen mens rights activists. The other points to a large body of research showing the presence of a kind of "gender" in the brain causing gender dysphoria.
I know that nothing that is discovered will ever make me transphobic, but I really do not know enough about the brain to answer whether gender is is purely social or comes from neural differences as well.[/QUOTE]
The human race as a whole doesn't know enough about the brain to answer that.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;43254656]I thought men and women had different brains as well (transgenderism?), or do you think transgenderism for example is a direct result of gender constructs? (man feels like a woman because they associate more with traits assumed to be feminine and thus feel like a woman)[/QUOTE]
imo this idea that men and women have different brains which corresponds to transgenderism is not really supported by science; as good as the intentions are by people who say its so, and i feel the same way about people who say homosexuality is something you are born with.
but this is again what im talking about when it comes to free agency. we shouldnt look down on LGBT people even if they did have a choice in it, because they should have the free sexual agency.
[editline]20th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Stents*;43254724]The word you use doesn't really matter.
[/QUOTE]
i dont understand this kind of white-washing of words, where words are just mora's put together.
the word does matter because an entire human history of ideas comes to people's minds when you say woman or man, feminine or masculine.
[QUOTE=thisispain;43254738]imo this idea that men and women have different brains which corresponds to transgenderism is not really supported by science; as good as the intentions are by people who say its so, and i feel the same way about people who say homosexuality is something you are born with.
but this is again what im talking about when it comes to free agency. we shouldnt look down on LGBT people even if they did have a choice in it, because they should have the free sexual agency.
[editline]20th December 2013[/editline]
i dont understand this kind of white-washing of words, where words are just mora's put together.
the word does matter because an entire human history of ideas comes to people's minds when you say woman or man, feminine or masculine.[/QUOTE]
You make a lot of sense, thank you. I'll try to be more calm in the future and learn~ :)
I can't promise though, I'm uh, very stubborn.
[QUOTE=Stents*;43254724]The word you use doesn't really matter.
[/QUOTE]
This is one thing I could never agree on any subject whatsoever.
Most of the time the word you use is what matters the most, especially when you consider language and communication is what makes us and what makes the society. The rest is just a by product.
[QUOTE=Fetret;43254862]This is one thing I could never agree on any subject whatsoever.
Most of the time the word you use is what matters the most, especially when you consider language and communication is what makes us and what makes the society. The rest is just a by product.[/QUOTE]
Considering we think in words (most of us anyway) I'd say it's pretty damn important what the meaning of a word is.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;43254861]You make a lot of sense, thank you. I'll try to be more calm in the future and learn~ :)
I can't promise though, I'm uh, very stubborn.[/QUOTE]
oh now youre nice but when i start arguing for the subjugation of the male sex to Susan, Leader of the Fempire to the great Vagonis then suddenly [i]wow TPAIN is nuTS![/i]
oh wow there's a D'angelo-esque track "Rocket".
DANG beyonce never funked like that :O
AK'z my dear are you feeling okay
[QUOTE=thisispain;43254883]oh now youre nice but when i start arguing for the subjugation of the male sex to Debris, Leader of the Fempire to the great Vagonis then suddenly [i]wow TPAIN is nuTS![/i][/QUOTE]
I'm just in a good mood I guess ^_^
[QUOTE=thisispain;43254895]AK'z my dear are you feeling okay[/QUOTE]
dude this track is so good :)
reminds me of this, I think it's supposed to be an ode to this tbh
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1WGn7da0co[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYUOmaTqReU[/media]
[editline]20th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=AK'z;43254904]dude this track is so good :)[/QUOTE]
oh
[b]oh! hes talking about beyonce! thats what this thread was about![/b]
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;43252916]
You're even pushing the divide further by suggesting women have these no-boys-allowed areas and as a man I feel kind of... oppressed?[/QUOTE]
I know this isn't the same thing but places like that kinda already exist in limited forms. In Tokyo's subway (and maybe other subways, only been on Tokyo's) there are certain cars in certain times where only women can be in since groping is a fucking epidemic there, not to mention the subways are god awfully crowded during peak hours.
I dunno if other subways have something similar, but I'd think something like this is fairly justifiable, no?
[QUOTE=AK'z;43254904]dude this track is so good :)
reminds me of this, I think it's supposed to be an ode to this tbh
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1WGn7da0co[/media][/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT56VtNSeR8[/media]
it so is. damn that's tight
[QUOTE=thisispain;43254907][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYUOmaTqReU[/media]
[editline]20th December 2013[/editline]
oh
[b]oh! hes talking about beyonce! thats what this thread was about![/b][/QUOTE]
That's meant to be disturbing right.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;43254930]That's meant to be disturbing right.[/QUOTE]
Hosta Mahogey
[QUOTE=Fetret;43254862]This is one thing I could never agree on any subject whatsoever.
Most of the time the word you use is what matters the most, especially when you consider language and communication is what makes us and what makes the society. The rest is just a by product.[/QUOTE]
My point was that the concept of masculinity and femininity (in the sense of personality, style and such) aren't going to disappear because we stop using the word (In my last reply I should probably have said "name" instead), there will just be a new name for it.
However, as he said, there wouldn't be a force determining what behaviors are the most acceptable based on sex.
If masculinity is violence then femininity is passive aggressiveness.
Reduce the influence of both to nil or near nothing.
More androgynous hypercute solidarity society go go.
Also just make it more unacceptable for men to sleep around instead of potentially damaging the structure of relationships because of the crossfire between marriage, conservatism, and "empowerment".
[editline]20th December 2013[/editline]
Also Beyonce is too mainstream and not scary enough and Grace Hopper should be the godking face of feminism.
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;43253359]It depends on what you mean by understanding the viewpoint. I comprehend it but I don't agree with it.
I wouldn't go as far to say that our culture encourages men to be violent. Violence [I]is[/I] associated with masculinity, but masculinity is not a gender role of violence. Masculinity is associated with plenty of qualities such as confidence, courage, responsibility and respect. That includes respect towards women. If you want equality, don't create "safe spaces" for women to keep to while us men do the fighting. Let upstanding women voice their opinions too. I find the notion that we live in a culture where men are "violent dominators" absurd. The majority of men are no more violent than the majority of women.[/QUOTE]
domestic violence, violent crime, rape, sports, politics, and all the statistics that pertain to these things, show that men are expected to act violently and competitively. there is a superficial idea of "respecting women" or that "men aren't supposed to hit women", but if that were truly a core part of our culture then rape and domestic violence wouldn't be primarily things committed by men against women. to say that we are not expected to be in constant physical struggle with everything and everyone around them is simply ignoring what is there.
yea, women can be violent. however, it is masculinity that has internalized conflict and violence as a trait of the gender. action movies are of men shooting at people. mma and gridiron(two very violent sports) are dominated by men and seen as "macho". domination and conflicts are one of the most powerful expressions of masculinity today.
i don't want that anymore. i want boys to be raised learning that violence is not "manly". i want to see grown men skeptical and disgusted of the violence that their brothers are taking part in. ideally, i want the whole idea of gender conformity to be scrapped and for people to have their own unique concept of gender identity that pertains to [i]them[/i].
in the mean time safe spaces can help people who are at risk in the present find a bit of safety.
[editline]20th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;43255337]If masculinity is violence then femininity is passive aggressiveness.
[/QUOTE]
there is something to be said about the way women are taught to deal with social problems that contrasts with the way men are taught to deal with social problems.
however, as a man i don't feel strongly inclined to criticize the feminine side when i live and participate in the macho side.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;43253753]It's not contradictory, he's saying Facepunch isn't as left as he is.[/QUOTE]
it's brogressive
Basically the undercurrent of masculine nobility is "don't hit women unless they do not conform to their own gender roles"
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;43255337]If masculinity is violence then femininity is passive aggressiveness.
Also just make it more unacceptable for men to sleep around instead of potentially damaging the structure of relationships because of the crossfire between marriage, conservatism, and "empowerment".[/QUOTE]
I find your post quite interesting. Do understand that empowerment comes from liberation of choice, not having lots of sex or none or anything in between. Instead of encouraging us to judge people for sleeping around, let's realize that the lives of other people aren't our business.
As for the femininity being passive aggressive, maybe this is because often when women show negative emotions, they are brushed off as hysterical or lololol on their period? Plenty of times people have made me uncomfortable and instead of calling them out, I politely tolerate and laugh it off. I feel lots of women are also similar.
Called it.
[QUOTE=Swilly;43255633]Called it.[/QUOTE]
There wasn't any doubt about it, no one should have disagreed.
Anyway, I don't like it when people sleep around cause as long as monogamy or even attachment and jealousy is a thing, it's gonna do some damage or "wrong". Maybe not directly, and not all the time, but it'll happen sure as night. Freedom of choice doesn't mean freedom from judgement or discouragement, either; as long as the life of some person can and does touch someone else in some way, or as long as subjectivity in right and wrong and good and bad exists, I think it/they can be judged for their actions.
I'm conservative when it comes to social norms that don't include "KILL THE TRANGAYFEMSODOMILLMENTALBLACKS" anyway.
[editline]20th December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;43255613]I find your post quite interesting. Do understand that empowerment comes from liberation of choice, not having lots of sex or none or anything in between. Instead of encouraging us to judge people for sleeping around, let's realize that the lives of other people aren't our business.
As for the femininity being passive aggressive, maybe this is because often when women show negative emotions, they are brushed off as hysterical or lololol on their period? Plenty of times people have made me uncomfortable and instead of calling them out, I politely tolerate and laugh it off. I feel lots of women are also similar.[/QUOTE]
But passive aggressiveness doesn't work for your benefit, either.
It perpetuates the idea that "women are slippery bitches" and you still fail to get your point across.
I make Tiny Tim look like Magic Mike and I'm more feminine than masculine, so instead of being passive aggressive (eww) or being aggressive aggressive (physically and emotionally impossible), I'll go monotone aloof (Maybe that is passive aggressive, but I wouldn't think so since it is easier to act assertive if you don't have any anger or "flippantness" in your voice, so it is somewhere in between) if I have to deal with a motherfuck.
You could try combining that with aggressiveness to get your point across, but if someone still brushes you off after that there's no helping it except with maybe a box cutter and a good swinging arm.
Or waiting for decades for social change to come about with you getting treated like shit in the meanwhile.
i didn't read any of this but i need to ask
why does feminism strike such a chord with facepunch? there's a couple of things that cause "shitstorms" on fp and that's guns and feminism
i remember the good old days when it was just dumb country and join date elitism
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;43255927]i didn't read any of this but i need to ask
why does feminism strike such a chord with facepunch? there's a couple of things that cause "shitstorms" on fp and that's guns and feminism
i remember the good old days when it was just dumb country and join date elitism[/QUOTE]
No reason in particular, it's just a hot-button issue at the moment and as long as there's people of differing views, it will inevitably descend into a shitstorm. There's a few other issues and they come and go, when everyone gets bored of this they'll move on.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;43255927]i didn't read any of this but i need to ask
why does feminism strike such a chord with facepunch? there's a couple of things that cause "shitstorms" on fp and that's guns and feminism
i remember the good old days when it was just dumb country and join date elitism[/QUOTE]
no capital letter at start, -5
see this was good facepunch imo
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;43255927]i didn't read any of this but i need to ask
why does feminism strike such a chord with facepunch? there's a couple of things that cause "shitstorms" on fp and that's guns and feminism
i remember the good old days when it was just dumb country and join date elitism[/QUOTE]
Facepunch was much more oriented on gaming and GD in the olden days, I stalked around long before I joined and I remembered seeing not one shitstorm relating to some controversial thing.
It was all internal "politics", or babby infighting. SH had a fuckton less regulars and viewers than it does now, too, so there's that.
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