Coleco introduces new cartridge-based console - Coleco Chameleon - Polidicks

[QUOTE=portalcrazy;49342284]yes, a great point to make. everyone knows that someone, based on their avatar in relation to their own point and disregarding the factor of relevance, automatically loses their logical validity when you point out their visual representation on an online forum.[/QUOTE] His point is still dumb and hypocritical due to his avatar. Saying 2D games aren't a valid market to aim for is such a shitty claim [editline]18th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Bazsil;49342335]yikes, sick zinger there unfortunately one single 2d game is pretty different from an entire console based around them so im not sure what your point is[/QUOTE] There's a whole demographic of people that [B]don't play 3D games[/B] because it makes them [B]sick or disoriented[/B]. I can think of at least 15 people I know personally that will probably get this console if it takes off.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49345298] There's a whole demographic of people that [B]don't play 3D games[/B] because it makes them [B]sick or disoriented[/B]. I can think of at least 15 people I know personally that will probably get this console if it takes off.[/QUOTE] That's a good point and I can definitely see the value but that's still not going to be nearly enough to keep it afloat. Also, no, me saying that a console can't possibly survive on 2d sprite games alone is not hypocrisy just because I happen to like one single game that meets that profile.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49345298] There's a whole demographic of people that [B]don't play 3D games[/B] because it makes them [B]sick or disoriented[/B]. I can think of at least 15 people I know personally that will probably get this console if it takes off.[/QUOTE] Why buy a whole new console instead of just only buying 2D games on Steam or PSN/XBLA/eShop? The games on this thing will be games that aim solely at "nostalgia" of 16-bit games.

[QUOTE=Durrsly;49345363]Why buy a whole new console instead of just only buying 2D games on Steam or PSN/XBLA/eShop? The games on this thing will be games that aim solely at "nostalgia" of 16-bit games.[/QUOTE] It all really depends on the pricing of the unit and games. It goes without saying that this type of market will only take off if the pricing stands out.

I'm afraid I don't really see the point For emulation a modded Wii already works excellently for 16 bit games and are like $40 used. This seems odd

[QUOTE=Bazsil;49345345] Also, no, me saying that a console can't possibly survive on 2d sprite games alone is not hypocrisy just because I happen to like one single game that meets that profile.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'll admit to being wrong there. [editline]18th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Trogdon;49345470]I'm afraid I don't really see the point For emulation a modded Wii already works excellently for 16 bit games and are like $40 used. This seems odd[/QUOTE] The problem is there's lots of 16 bit games that are being released in this century now too. Stuff like Nidhogg and BroForce and Undertale can't just be emulated on the Wii.

Oh look, another console by a company that everyone's already forgotten. Throw it in the pile next to that Neo Geo X that nobody bought.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49345461]It all really depends on the pricing of the unit and games. It goes without saying that this type of market will only take off if the pricing stands out.[/QUOTE] Last I heard, it was [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/3jrvik/retro_vgs_pricing_controversy/curqvgc"]going to be $300+[/URL] with games around $20-$50. The facebook post mentioning it was removed so it might of changed, but for that price you can get a Wii U or refurbished PS4.

someone should make a cart bases system that is for modern games, i imagine that storage space for assets would never be an issue

[QUOTE=Durrsly;49345573]Last I heard, it was [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/3jrvik/retro_vgs_pricing_controversy/curqvgc"]going to be $300+[/URL] with games around $20-$50. The facebook post mentioning it was removed so it might of changed, but for that price you can get a Wii U or refurbished PS4.[/QUOTE] If that's the case, then yeah it won't make it anywhere, which is a shame. I'd totally get it if they canned the cartridge idea and made it digital only, but made the games way cheaper. [editline]18th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49345620]someone should make a cart bases system that is for modern games, i imagine that storage space for assets would never be an issue[/QUOTE] Cartridges the size of a PS3.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49345622]Cartridges the size of a PS3.[/QUOTE] Yeah, in the 80's maybe [t]http://gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/micro-sd-anroid-big.png[/t] You could fit GTA V in there almost two times. And let's not forget the size of SSD's

[QUOTE=Durrsly;49345573]Last I heard, it was [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/3jrvik/retro_vgs_pricing_controversy/curqvgc"]going to be $300+[/URL] with games around $20-$50. The facebook post mentioning it was removed so it might of changed, but for that price you can get a Wii U or refurbished PS4.[/QUOTE] That's about 10 times the price of a Raspberry Pi

[QUOTE=gokiyono;49345688]Yeah, in the 80's maybe [t]http://gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/micro-sd-anroid-big.png[/t] You could fit GTA V in there almost two times. And let's not forget the size of SSD's[/QUOTE] Hahaha oh my god what was I thinking

[QUOTE=gokiyono;49345700]That's about 10 times the price of a Raspberry Pi[/QUOTE] Pi Zero can probably play more games than it, and its $5

[QUOTE=gokiyono;49345688]Yeah, in the 80's maybe [t]http://gearnuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/micro-sd-anroid-big.png[/t] You could fit GTA V in there almost two times. And let's not forget the size of SSD's[/QUOTE] There's no way in any depth of hell you'll get it on MicroSD. I know they had stuff about 12 years ago on SD card sized media (hell, there was even SDIO for stuff like cameras and wireless cards) but MicroSD cartridges would be lost way too fucking easily.

[QUOTE=pentium;49346151]There's no way in any depth of hell you'll get it on MicroSD. I know they had stuff about 12 years ago on SD card sized media (hell, there was even SDIO for stuff like cameras and wireless cards) but MicroSD cartridges would be lost way too fucking easily.[/QUOTE] It's more to illustrate a point

[QUOTE=SteakStyles;49342260]Its controller makes it look like one of those "Ultimate Gaming Systems" that are just an NES/Atari on a chip made to look like a popular console. Not knocking this, I just get that vibe from that controller.[/QUOTE] Its literally a knockoff wiiu pro controller with a different name on it [thumb]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61DrnXtLMUL._SL1000_.jpg[/thumb]

Wow are these guys trying to kickstart this shit again? Google Retro VGS and walk on. This console will never be.

[QUOTE=pentium;49346151]There's no way in any depth of hell you'll get it on MicroSD. I know they had stuff about 12 years ago on SD card sized media (hell, there was even SDIO for stuff like cameras and wireless cards) but MicroSD cartridges would be lost way too fucking easily.[/QUOTE] I'll get what on a micro SD card? Storage smaller than the size of a PS3? I don't understand what you are talking about

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;49345622] Cartridges the size of a PS3.[/QUOTE] considering we have 2.5" solid state drives that go up to like 2TB here in 2015 i'm gonna go ahead and say you're full of shit [editline]18th December 2015[/editline] haha whoops i didn't see the 2nd page of this thread, beaten

I just can't wrap my head around it. Cartridges are more expensive than digital storage devices to produce and require more stipulations be met by game devs who could much more easily (and cheaply) create games for smartphones, PCs, or digital download on modern consoles which would reach a much wider audience. If the cartridges ARE simply standard digital storage devices in cartridge shells then that just makes the new cartridges needlessly expensive facades. And then there's the matter that Coleco isn't necessarily a strong brand, people shopping for nostalgia still have the option to cheaply buy the original systems and games (or simple plug-n-play ports for cheap)... I just don't see how this makes any kind of business sense.

[QUOTE=RGamesINC;49346597]I just can't wrap my head around it. Cartridges are more expensive than digital storage devices to produce and require more stipulations be met by game devs who could much more easily (and cheaply) create games for smartphones, PCs, or digital download on modern consoles which would reach a much wider audience. If the cartridges ARE simply standard digital storage devices in cartridge shells then that just makes the new cartridges needlessly expensive facades. And then there's the matter that Coleco isn't necessarily a strong brand, people shopping for nostalgia still have the option to cheaply buy the original systems and games (or simple plug-n-play ports for cheap)... I just don't see how this makes any kind of business sense.[/QUOTE] As said in the video I posted on the first page, the man behind the system legit thinks that 16-bit consoles and cartridges will make a serious comeback and is dead set on it even after a IndieGoGo campaign that lead nowhere and despite the fact that even a $5 Raspberry Pi can play loads of games better than his $300 Jaguar 2.0 The [URL="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/973736766/the-cybermatrix-100-tu01"]Cybermatrix[/URL] is as legit as this as far as I'm concerned since they don't even have a prototype.

[QUOTE=Kegan;49342899]The design isn't the problem. The problem is it's a recolor of a specific brand of bootleg Wii U pro controllers, which are NOTORIOUSLY shitty for being broke right out of the box, I know when I picked one up the piece of shit wouldn't synch to anything and the synch button was actually broke, being wedged deep inside the controller itself This is gonna be another trainwreck to add to the pile[/QUOTE] I know which one you're talking about, and you're right about them being bad, but that doesn't necessarily mean those ones will be bad too. Unless they're made by the same people, that is. [editline]18th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Durrsly;49346857]As said in the video I posted on the first page, the man behind the system legit thinks that 16-bit consoles and cartridges will make a serious comeback and is dead set on it even after a IndieGoGo campaign that lead nowhere and despite the fact that even a $5 Raspberry Pi can play loads of games better than his $300 Jaguar 2.0 The [URL="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/973736766/the-cybermatrix-100-tu01"]Cybermatrix[/URL] is as legit as this as far as I'm concerned since they don't even have a prototype.[/QUOTE] That's pretty hilarious. They'd probably be better off selling the molds as Raspberry Pi or Mini ITX cases. I'd love a Jaguar Pi.

My whole thing is, most of the 2D "retro" games are developed and played on PCs, and it's a more attractive option to develop on a PC because you don't need to get licensing agreements or any bullshit like that, and there are plenty of methods to distribute your games available. You have more system resources to work with, an open platform to develop on, so what is this guy offering that makes it attractive in any way, shape or form to developers? Besides that, even the modern "retro" titles are developed to run in 32 to 64-bit environments, so unless his system is a 32 or 64-bit system with a "retro" coat of marketing wank slathered on it you're going to have a very limited library unless he gets deals to release classic titles on it, most of which you can probably already play through emulators for "free" anyway.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;49347479]I know which one you're talking about, and you're right about them being bad, but that doesn't necessarily mean those ones will be bad too. Unless they're made by the same people, that is[/QUOTE] Judging from the whole slap dash and half assed nature of this whole console. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same manufacturer with a new coat of paint

[QUOTE=FFStudios;49346554]considering we have 2.5" solid state drives that go up to like 2TB here in 2015 i'm gonna go ahead and say you're full of shit [editline]18th December 2015[/editline] haha whoops i didn't see the 2nd page of this thread, beaten[/QUOTE] I kind of like the idea of a game coming on something the size of an MVS cartridge. [quote]I'll get what on a micro SD card? Storage smaller than the size of a PS3? I don't understand what you are talking about [/quote] Someone made a statement that a cartridge these days [i]could[/i] be the size of a MicroSD card. I was striking down that trace of an idea before people though it would be awesome.

Isn't cartridge technology all the rage in rural China?

[QUOTE=pentium;49348317]Someone made a statement that a cartridge these days [i]could[/i] be the size of a MicroSD card. I was striking down that trace of an idea before people though it would be awesome.[/QUOTE] That was not what I was saying. I was proving the point that a cartridge shouldn't have to be the size of a PS3 to fit a game since storage technology has gotten a hell of a lot smaller.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49348333]Isn't cartridge technology all the rage in rural China?[/QUOTE] Is it? Or is that just because of the continued popularity of the famicom over there due to the (only recently lifted) video game ban?

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;49342330]... How is that any different from a playstation or xbox controller?[/QUOTE] I hold Xbox controllers like this sometimes [IMG]http://img.youtube.com/vi/201QGW2NLOg/0.jpg[/IMG] Can't seem to do that, here.