China uses giant screens to show tourism ad with Sun Rise, misfires because of Smog. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=J!NX;43598270]the US isn't even close to china in how nasty it is though[/QUOTE] Thats because that chart is a tad misleading. The US and China both are putting out 5,000,000+.......of whatever that chart is denoting, but that doesn't mean they have the same output. For all we know, the US has an output of 5,000,001, while china has an output of 60,000,000.

[QUOTE=ironman17;43596427]True. Still, the fact China has such terrible smog levels in spite of the dire hazards of fossil fuels does seem pretty similar to how we end up with tons of unlicensed Chinese knockoff tat in the shops. It seems like they just do what they want without doing the sensible thing and think about the rest of humanity. And by that, I mean they do what they want/don't think about humanity to a greater extent than the rest of us.[/QUOTE] It's not like everyone in China's ignorant. When I was in Hangzhou a few months ago I was eating dinner beside an old Chinese couple and they profusely apologized to me for the pollution. Same with a friend I met in Jinhua a few days later. (FYI those cities are an hour's train ride from Shanghai so the pollution could get bad). It's not like they don't know about the pollution - it's just that the guy who owns 50 coal burning factories doesn't want to waste time fixing it, in the same way that no American wants to take the bus over a car if a car is more convenient. [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43600141]Thats because that chart is a tad misleading. The US and China both are putting out 5,000,000+.......of whatever that chart is denoting, but that doesn't mean they have the same output. For all we know, the US has an output of 5,000,001, while china has an output of 60,000,000.[/QUOTE] US: est. 16.4 tonnes/year/capita China: est. 7.1 tonnes/year/capita [url]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions[/url] [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] Not nearly as bad as Australia though :v:

[QUOTE=Disseminate;43601640]It's not like everyone in China's ignorant. When I was in Hangzhou a few months ago I was eating dinner beside an old Chinese couple and they profusely apologized to me for the pollution. Same with a friend I met in Jinhua a few days later. (FYI those cities are an hour's train ride from Shanghai so the pollution could get bad). It's not like they don't know about the pollution - it's just that the guy who owns 50 coal burning factories doesn't want to waste time fixing it, in the same way that no American wants to take the bus over a car if a car is more convenient.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this, as long as something doesn't affect them directly, they don't really care about it. We have much the same issues in India - nobody gives a shit about safety measures or standards here, because what's one body more or less? There's always more where the last one came from, and so forth. And the general public are largely apathetic to their surroundings, not to mention everybody tries to get away with doing the minimum possible work and always tries shortcuts and cutting corners, a symptom known by the statements 'jugaad' and 'chalta hai' which essentially means 'it'll do, no need to go any further.'

[QUOTE=Disseminate;43601640] US: est. 16.4 tonnes/year/capita China: est. 7.1 tonnes/year/capita [URL]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions[/URL] [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] Not nearly as bad as Australia though :v:[/QUOTE] Thats also incredibly missleading since its per capita They're both close in size, but China has a population of at least 5 times the US [editline]20th January 2014[/editline] By the numbers on the page you linked, China puts out almost twice as much

[QUOTE=Disseminate;43601640] US: est. 16.4 tonnes/year/capita China: est. 7.1 tonnes/year/capita [url]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions[/url] [/QUOTE] Why are you putting it in by per capita? Are you blatantly trying to mislead everyone? China has nearly twice the emissions output that the US has. Per capita isn't really relevant in this situation. Another thing is, is that if China were a more lenient country and let people own automotives prior to like 2005, then they would most likely have a much higher emissions output per capita, and overall.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43601782]Why are you putting it in by per capita? Are you blatantly trying to mislead everyone? China has nearly twice the emissions output that the US has. Per capita isn't really relevant in this situation. Another thing is, is that if China were a more lenient country and let people own automotives prior to like 2005, then they would most likely have a much higher emissions output per capita, and overall.[/QUOTE] I seem to remember once upon a time the US accusing China of producing more pollution overall, and China comes back to say "oh we have less pollution [I]per person[/I] though. Enough with the finger-pointing already, work towards a solution

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43596290]China should tier their city. Smoggy ground industrial layer, rich and vibrant upper levels. [img]http://www.graffitiwithpunctuation.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ME_London.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Off-topic and all, but I fucking loved those books when I was younger. [QUOTE=Diago21;43601839]Holy shit I swear that image is based on a book and the name of it is just on the tip of my tongue, ugh..[/QUOTE] Mortal Engines.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43596290]China should tier their city. Smoggy ground industrial layer, rich and vibrant upper levels. [img]http://www.graffitiwithpunctuation.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ME_London.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Holy shit I swear that image is based on a book and the name of it is just on the tip of my tongue, ugh..

[QUOTE=Diago21;43601839]Holy shit I swear that image is based on a book and the name of it is just on the tip of my tongue, ugh..[/QUOTE] Howl's Moving Castle?

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;43601675]Pretty much this, as long as something doesn't affect them directly, they don't really care about it. We have much the same issues in India - nobody gives a shit about safety measures or standards here, because what's one body more or less? There's always more where the last one came from, and so forth. And the general public are largely apathetic to their surroundings, not to mention everybody tries to get away with doing the minimum possible work and always tries shortcuts and cutting corners, a symptom known by the statements 'jugaad' and 'chalta hai' which essentially means 'it'll do, no need to go any further.'[/QUOTE] Not to mention if you talk about how it should change or how you should stand up to make things better, people actually look at you like you've gone crazy.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;43596793]Countries by carbon dioxide emissions: [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_world_map_deobfuscated.png/800px-Countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_world_map_deobfuscated.png[/img] Notice how USA is the same color as China... and do note there are 4 times more people living in china than US.[/QUOTE] USA: somewhere over 5 million smogs China: somewhere over 5 million smogs I'm glad the information you've presented is so thorough and precise

I could only imagine what smell would be lingering around as a result of the pollution.

[QUOTE=Sector 7;43602186]USA: somewhere over 5 million smogs China: somewhere over 5 million smogs I'm glad the information you've presented is so thorough and precise[/QUOTE] its like the end of the world predictions "Somewhere between 1 year and a trillion years from now!"

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43596290]China should tier their city. Smoggy ground industrial layer, rich and vibrant upper levels. [img]http://www.graffitiwithpunctuation.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ME_London.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]This is what I thought when I saw that image: [t]http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130216021227/tmnt/images/1/15/Technodrome_(4).JPG[/t]

[QUOTE=jonu67;43596334]Ah yes, lets totally give the rich and powerful all the free non polluted air and the sun... While all those that are too poor and terribly unfortunate get nothing but shit. Worked in Bioshock Infinite right? or hell why not go [URL="http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Hive_City"]one step further[/URL]![/QUOTE] Can't believe no one referenced this yet [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ILE5mqn.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43595622]Well it is an authoritarian Oligarchy.[/QUOTE] Kinda like America?

[QUOTE=Cheesedragon;43607189]Kinda like America?[/QUOTE] No, nothing like America. I hate it when people find out that some of their citizens phones have been tapped and data mined (something that we should have figured out when the patriot act was passed almost 15 years ago) and suddenly everyone flips the fuck out and starts crying about an authoritarian regime and dictatorships. The US is [b]nothing[/b] like China in that regard. China has a corrupt oligarchy and filled to the brim with censorship, something the US has absolutely none of.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43607335]No, nothing like America. I hate it when people find out that some of their citizens phones have been tapped and data mined (something that we should have figured out when the patriot act was passed almost 15 years ago) and suddenly everyone flips the fuck out and starts crying about an authoritarian regime and dictatorships. The US is [B]nothing[/B] like China in that regard. China has a corrupt oligarchy and filled to the brim with censorship, something the US has absolutely none of.[/QUOTE] The whole "It's not as bad as x, so you are a whiny bitch" argument is incredibly silly. Granted, you're right, the US is nowhere near as bad as China, but the US is indeed, authoritarian to some degree. We have censorship, unjust monitorization, the highest incarceration rate in the world, some of the most abysmal prisons in the world, capital punishment, and more. Once again, I'm not saying that we are anywhere near as bad as China, but don't you think we should PREVENT getting as bad as China?

[QUOTE=Cheesedragon;43607189]Kinda like America?[/QUOTE] Members of the Communist party are literally above the law. The only real threat they face is getting assassinated by power hungry members in the party.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;43608407]The whole "It's not as bad as x, so you are a whiny bitch" argument is incredibly silly. Granted, you're right, the US is nowhere near as bad as China, but the US is indeed, authoritarian to some degree. We have censorship, unjust monitorization, the highest incarceration rate in the world, some of the most abysmal prisons in the world, capital punishment, and more. Once again, I'm not saying that we are anywhere near as bad as China, but don't you think we should PREVENT getting as bad as China?[/QUOTE] Well first of all bad prisons are the result of a [I]lack[/I] of regulation and censorship is pretty much just swearing, sex, and nudity (all of which are only censored under certain conditions.) Second, part of the reason why China can be as bad as it is is because its an oligarchy. There's no opposing parties to hold the government's actions against them, in fact the only reason why the Republicans aren't using this NSA crap against Obama is because maintaining power on an international level is a bipartisan effort and losing that would be a mutual loss. A lot of the shit China does has nothing to do with international politics; they only happen because the Chinese government doesn't want people figuring out ways to crush the oligarchy.

Here's a more up to date CO2 output map. [img]http://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/img/part/co2_map_big.png[/img]

[QUOTE=bloser;43617839]Here's a more up to date CO2 output map. [img]http://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/img/part/co2_map_big.png[/img][/QUOTE] Damn netherlands.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;43608407]The whole "It's not as bad as x, so you are a whiny bitch" argument is incredibly silly. Granted, you're right, the US is nowhere near as bad as China, but the US is indeed, authoritarian to some degree. We have censorship, unjust monitorization, the highest incarceration rate in the world, some of the most abysmal prisons in the world, capital punishment, and more. Once again, I'm not saying that we are anywhere near as bad as China, but don't you think we should PREVENT getting as bad as China?[/QUOTE] Censorship where? Don't go and call TV censoring profanity as being the same level as China.

The sensationalist wonders of having no context. [QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;43622123][t]http://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/11/10007/dx3_shanghai.1.jpg[/t] [editline]21st January 2014[/editline] >:([/QUOTE] I wonder what was the point of constructing a second ground level I mean, couldn't you just pour dirt into the sea But it looks cool so I'm not complaining :v:

Sensationalist alright. [QUOTE]In reality, the photo shows a Chinese tourism ad for Shandong province playing on a giant video screen in Tiananmen Square. As the [URL="http://www.techinasia.com/beijing-residents-watching-fake-sunrises-giant-tvs-pollution/"]Tech in Asia[/URL] blog points out, the sun only appears on the screen for a brief period of time as part of a longer ad. The ad also plays year-round, no matter how bad the smog might be.[/QUOTE] [I][URL="http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/01/12-more-viral-photos-that-are-totally-fake/"]Source[/URL][/I] But looks pretty cool anyway.