Cancer Study Found E-Cigarettes Affect Cells the Same As Tobacco Smoke - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;44533882]No shit it's not healthier than not smoking, but hell, [b]what doesn't give you cancer these days.[/b][/QUOTE] This is a silly reason to go out of your way to inhale something that could potentially kill you.

[QUOTE=Falubii;44534465]This is a silly reason to go out of your way to inhale something that could potentially kill you.[/QUOTE] I should huff lacquer thinner going to die anyways!!!

[QUOTE=J!NX;44534446][url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oblivious[/url] the point is, its basically a cigarette, minus all of that nasty chemical shit, letting you actually reduce the amount without the extra addictions and pains. you smoke to relieve the pain of not smoking. That's caused by the heap of chemical additives. You don't have that with ecigs.[/QUOTE] Linking and quoting the definition of the word oblivious without any explaination whatsoever seems pretty oblivious to me. And about your points about the additives, it's not a good point unless there is some purity rule for e-cig liquids. Is there?

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[QUOTE=Killuah;44534493]Linking and quoting the definition of the word oblivious without any explaination whatsoever seems pretty oblivious to me. And about your points about the additives, it's not a good point unless there is some purity rule for e-cig liquids. Is there?[/QUOTE] Ecigs [QUOTE]2.4% Nicotene per ML water propylene Glycol (PG) Vegetable Glycerine (VG) Flavourings (food based)[/QUOTE] Ciggeretes [url]http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/about-smoking/facts-figures/whats-in-a-cigarette.html[/url] [QUOTE]Acetone – found in nail polish remover Acetic Acid – an ingredient in hair dye Ammonia – a common household cleaner Arsenic – used in rat poison Benzene – found in rubber cement Butane – used in lighter fluid Cadmium – active component in battery acid Carbon Monoxide – released in car exhaust fumes Formaldehyde – embalming fluid Hexamine – found in barbecue lighter fluid Lead – used in batteries Naphthalene – an ingredient in moth balls Methanol – a main component in rocket fuel Nicotine – used as insecticide Tar – material for paving roads Toluene - used to manufacture paint[/QUOTE] That's why it's WAY easier to kick smoking with ecigs.

[QUOTE=J!NX;44534446][url]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oblivious[/url] the point is, its basically a cigarette, minus all of that nasty chemical shit, letting you actually reduce the amount without the extra addictions and pains. you smoke to relieve the pain of not smoking. That's caused by the heap of chemical additives. You don't have that with ecigs.[/QUOTE] nicotine is still addictive on its own though

[QUOTE=a dumb bear;44534517]nicotine is still addictive on its own though[/QUOTE] yes, but it doesn't have all of that extra shit in it that makes it harder to quit how are people not understanding this? of course nicotine is still addictive. it's the most addictive thing ever. But at least with ecigs, you get way less extra stuff. [QUOTE=RayvenQ;44534394]Cigarette patches work in much the same way of delivering reducing amounts of nicotene. It's not any different in terms of craving, its just a different method of satisfying it. Weaning yourself off slowly will make you less dependent ont he hit and this lessen your cravings until you finally reach 0, where after a while you may want to still use the ecig to keep your hands busy for a while until you're further used to it. It can also help because it still kinda feels like you're smoking, which is what a lot of people are used to, nicotene patches or gum doesnt help me as well, because i miss the act of smoking, keeping your hands and mouth busy, and the feeling in yuor throat and lungs, which the ecig does emulate somewhat.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=a dumb bear;44534498]Nicotine is still seriously not going to be good for the baby though[/QUOTE] The mother isn't the one smoking, nor is the baby

[QUOTE=J!NX;44534532]yes, but it doesn't have all of that extra shit in it that makes it harder to quit how are people not understanding this? of course nicotine is still addictive. it's the most addictive thing ever. But at least with ecigs, you get way less extra stuff.[/QUOTE] "easier to quit" is also not really a good argument for overall health discussion, it makes it easier to start too

[QUOTE=Falubii;44534465]This is a silly reason to go out of your way to inhale something that could potentially kill you.[/QUOTE] Who said anything about going out of your way to inhale it? It's just a cheaper and potentially less harmful alternative to cigarettes, course if you're a non smoker and you think omg must use these, then you're dumb, but then again, even people who dont smoke may enjoy ecigs (nicotene free) for similar reasons why people smoke hookahs, for the pleasure of it. [quote]And about your points about the additives, it's not a good point unless there is some purity rule for e-cig liquids. Is there? [/quote] Not legally or government set, but if word got out that you as a e liquid produce were putting stuff in that you shouldn't, people are going to stop buying it, so its int heir own interests to produce good quality, consistent liquid. I'm talking about legit producers though, but its up to the user to ensure that they go for the reputable e liquid producers, Plus, if you're that paranoid, you can always make your own e liquids from pure PG, pure VG , water and nicotine liquid, again making sure you're buying from reputable suppliers.

[QUOTE=Killuah;44534539]"easier to quit" is also not really a good argument for overall health discussion, it makes it easier to start too[/QUOTE] Of course it's not healthy, but it's not nearly as bad as normal cigarettes. Did you even see the list of chemicals in both?

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;44534457]Nicotine can be absorbed by the mucus membranes in the mouth. Otherwise dip and chew would be pointless.[/QUOTE] Chewing tobacco has fiber glass in it to help it do that

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[QUOTE=J!NX;44534554]Of course it's not healthy, but it's not nearly as bad as normal cigarettes. Did you even see the list of chemicals in both?[/QUOTE] Yes I saw it and there's no statement to be made about it, "e-cigs are less bad than cigarettes" and "e-cigs are still worse than not smoking" are not statements we have to weigh against each other.

[QUOTE=a dumb bear;44534574]You're right there And you're also right, but that's not the point, it's still harmful to the baby. Considering the baby shares the same blood supply as the mother while it's developing, nicotine is not going to help it, not because of how it's addictive, but because of what nicotine actual stimulates. Adrenaline raises blood pressure and makes your heart pump faster, as well as making your blood more "sticky" then normal. That's not really going to be good for the baby.[/QUOTE] The mother of the baby isn't the one smoking the posters mom is smoking his brothers girlfriend is having the baby nicotine isn't going to be transmitted via air, either. I'm confused, what are you trying to say?

[QUOTE=Killuah;44534539]"easier to quit" is also not really a good argument for overall health discussion, it makes it easier to start too[/QUOTE] It is easier to quit from Ecigs than cigarettes, partly because of all the things I've listed. You can easily reduce nicotine levels over time to wean yourself off, while at the same time it still gives a feeling similar to smoking (which is for some people where the craving mostly lies aside from the nicotine) and it also keeps your hands and mouth busy, another association that smokers have. Obviously if you're a non smoker, starting smoking nicotine based liquids isn't a good idea because you will get addicted just liek cigarettes, but if you're a non smoker who wants the pleasure of a hookah (well, similar) but ona smaller scale and easier to manage, then its your choice.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;44534586]It is easier to quit from Ecigs than cigarettes, partly because of all the things I've listed. You can easily reduce nicotine levels over time to wean yourself off, while at the same time it still gives a feeling similar to smoking (which is for some people where the craving mostly lies aside from the nicotine) and it also keeps your hands and mouth busy, another association that smokers have. Obviously if you're a non smoker, starting smoking nicotine based liquids isn't a good idea because you will get addicted just liek cigarettes, but if you're a non smoker who wants the pleasure of a hookah (well, similar) but ona smaller scale and easier to manage, then its your choice.[/QUOTE] that and you can just later buy non nicotine ecigs and trick your brain into thinking its smoking, eventually, totally killing addiction

[QUOTE=J!NX;44534584]The mother of the baby isn't the one smoking the posters mom is smoking his brothers girlfriend is having the baby nicotine isn't going to be transmitted via air, either. I'm confused, what are you trying to say?[/QUOTE] Shit, sorry that was awful reading on my part hahaha. I thought that it was the mother of the baby using an e-cig. Disregard everything I just said.

[QUOTE=a dumb bear;44534574]You're right there And you're also right, but that's not the point, it's still harmful to the baby. Considering the baby shares the same blood supply as the mother while it's developing, nicotine is not going to help it, not because of how it's addictive, but because of what nicotine actually stimulates. Adrenaline raises blood pressure and makes your heart pump faster, as well as making your blood more "sticky" then normal. That's not really going to be good for the baby.[/QUOTE] Guess the mother of the baby shouldn't go outside ever then considering all the car vapours. When you exhale from ecigs, 90% of what you're exhaling is water vapour, and unless you breathe it directly int he babys face (which would be a dumbass thing to do) its going to dissapate in the air and be no more harmful than taking a baby in a stroller alongside a road on the pavement. [editline]13th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;44534595]that and you can just later buy non nicotine ecigs and trick your brain into thinking its smoking, eventually, totally killing addiction[/QUOTE] Well depending on the ecig you use, either 0% nicotine cartomizers or 0% nicotine liquid, and once you've tricked your brain you can slowly lessen your ecig usage until you dont use it at all.

[QUOTE=AJ10017;44534556]Chewing tobacco has fiber glass in it to help it do that[/QUOTE] That simply isn't true, it's an urban myth.

its plastic what do you expect?

[QUOTE=Xmeagol;44533740]Study paid for by Big tobacco[/QUOTE] why then is big tobacco lobbying to control ecigs as if they were tobacco, all the big cig companies have their own brand of ecig and they all have billions invested in it since its far cheaper and has greater markups than tobacco

[QUOTE=Dark One;44535544]its plastic what do you expect?[/QUOTE] E liquids aren't plastic...

Do you really think people who smoke really care about this?

[QUOTE=J!NX;44534595]that and you can just later buy non nicotine ecigs and trick your brain into thinking its smoking, eventually, totally killing addiction[/QUOTE] wait they make non nicotine ecigs???

Carcinogens, various toxic chemicals and nicotine are all bad for you...even if you "electronically" smoke them? Shocker.

[QUOTE=Judas;44535953]wait they make non nicotine ecigs???[/QUOTE] Yes you can get e cig juice that has 0 nicotine in them, theyre just water, pv, vg and flavourings.

[QUOTE=IGotWorms;44535959]Carcinogens, various toxic chemicals and nicotine are all bad for you...even if you "electronically" smoke them? Shocker.[/QUOTE] you're not smoking them anyways you are vaporizing the liquid smoking means you're combusting the cigarette at ~460 degreese F, which is enough heat to form nasty compounds and your standard h20,co2 and co as well as no2, no and other nice carcinogens vaporizing is not even heating the reactants, creating no byproducts from combustion, just a very fine mist

[QUOTE=J!NX;44534512]Ecigs Ciggeretes [url]http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/about-smoking/facts-figures/whats-in-a-cigarette.html[/url] That's why it's WAY easier to kick smoking with ecigs.[/QUOTE] There is water in the e-cig fluid. Water is a product of burning rocket fuel

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;44536056]Yes you can get e cig juice that has 0 nicotine in them, theyre just water, pv, vg and flavourings.[/QUOTE] are these still bad? I occasionally use my vape just for the flavors (no nicotine), but if it's still bad I don't even wanna risk using it

[QUOTE=J!NX;44534446]the point is, its basically a cigarette, minus all of that nasty chemical shit[/QUOTE] If I had to describe nicotine without the word addictive I'd probably use "nasty chemical shit"