Officer caught on video slamming student against the floor and dragging them across the room - Polidicks

[QUOTE=cqbcat;48998586]I'd let the cop off the hook. Maybe he was rough, but the student had plenty of opportunity to comply. By not complying, she escalated the problem.[/QUOTE] Cops should just be allowed to do whatever they want to anyone at any time, and if the people they decide to punish don't comply 100% of the time they should be charged with more crimes God I love cops and authority

[QUOTE=Eeshton;48998424]uhuh so because this man is a cop, not only is it fully acceptable and even considered just to use excessive force on a child aged [B]15-18[/B], she should have [I]expected[/I] to be forced from her desk and thrown halfway across the room onto the floor and arrested in front of her classmates when she decided to do stupid teenage things you do in your stupid teenage years. [/QUOTE] I dont think he ever said anyone should expect this much force. [QUOTE=Judas;48998636]Cops should just be allowed to do whatever they want to anyone at any time God I love cops and authority[/QUOTE] Absolutely no one is saying this.

[QUOTE=Judas;48998636]Cops should just be allowed to do whatever they want to anyone at any time, and if the people they decide to punish don't comply 100% of the time they should be charged with more crimes God I love cops and authority[/QUOTE] The way you're posting makes it sound as if you've got an authority problem.

If a parent did that to their child, they would be arrested. The girl didn't do anything, she wasn't being violent, nor did she even lift a finger. Yet another Yankee officer on "paid leave" for assault. It also turns out that the same officer assaulted a black man who came home from the military and emptied a whole can of pepper spray in his eyes.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;48998563]From [url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/us/south-carolina-spring-valley-high-school-student-video/[/url] From [url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-appears-show-cop-body-slamming-student-s-c-classroom-n451896?cid=sm_fb[/url] From (with aforementioned video): [url]http://www.wistv.com/story/30353999/video-shows-confrontation-between-spring-valley-student-and-school-resource-officer[/url] Also, there was only one cop there. The other person I believe was the teacher who should not be expected or required to asset in arresting someone. In short, the [b]student assaulted the officer who was attempting to arrest them[/b] (you can see this in the video at this link: [url]http://www.wistv.com/clip/11952640/raw-video-instagram-video-of-incident-at-spring-valley-high-school?clienttype=generic[/url]) after which the officer flipped the student and their desk over. Further, it appears the student was given several opportunities to leave, first by the teacher then by the officer, according to the above sources. But no, good work jumping to conclusions because of one 10 second clip from a cell phone.[/QUOTE] that video doesn't seem to prove what you're saying about her assaulting the cop

[QUOTE=Laferio;48998680]The way you're posting makes it sound as if you've got an authority problem.[/QUOTE] anyone who doesn't isn't paying attention

[QUOTE=Judas;48998698]anyone who doesn't isn't paying attention[/QUOTE] I don't think I'm quite getting what you're saying. Could you explain further?

I feel like he used too much force but the question becomes exactly how much force is correct force when a student refuses to leave when ordered to several times especially after actually hitting an officer. I think this is a legitimate question and I don't mean this facetiously: What the fuck is the correct course of action? Everybody here is focused on "Wow, this officer fucked up, he's an asshole." Okay, I don't disagree. The important question is, "What should the officer have done instead, so that this can never happen again?" This is the question that fucking nobody here wants to answer, and that disgusts me. Everyone here just wants punishment and vengeance; not justice, healing, and rebuilding. Or, more to the point, is there no correct answer to this question and is this a no-win situation for the cop in a post-Ferguson America?

The officer definitely could have pulled her out of the desk without doing all of that slamming nonsense. Even if it was forceful, it would've been more acceptable than what he did. That desk didn't have to go toppling over the way it did. He could have rotated the desk (so that it was facing away from the board) to allow himself to pull her out without risking her getting hit on nearby structures, and then forced her onto the ground to make the arrest.

[QUOTE=Laferio;48998703]I don't think I'm quite getting what you're saying. Could you explain further?[/QUOTE] The argument goes that police corruption and brutaility is so widespread and blatant that any reasonable adult will not trust authroity by default.

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;48998330]yeah i mean he should have just shot her tbh it'd do the job[/QUOTE] nice instead of giving an alternative like he asked, you over exaggerated for no reason in an attempt to either troll or just be contrarian. why dont you actually explain what the proper response should have been instead of making half-assed passive aggressive posts, or stop posting altogether. either all in or all out

I'm confused on what Facepunch actually wanted to happen here since everyone is an expert. The officer blew through the physical presence and verbal commands and ended up at empty hands, and going any higher would be completely excessive. You wouldnt spray, taze, or strike someone in this situation. He went hands on and she actively resisted arrest. The desk was just a bitch to remove. Honestly. Is it that fucking hard to put your phone away when asked in class first by the teacher, then by an administrator? How much disrespect does one have to even escalate the situation to a point where the damn SRO had to be involved. School wasnt like this when I was in it. School shouldnt be like this now. Parents need to teach their kids some god damn respect.

Still a little dumbfounded as to why people get the idea that NOT listening to authority has no consequences. He's a cop, an officer of the LAW, he has a higher power than anyone in that entire room; rather you like it or not. It really and truly isn't that hard to comply with the police. The video only shows the last few moments, we don't truly know what happened before that. For all we know, the officer could have been bickering back and forth with her for god knows how long. He seemed to have grabbed her and she started to fight back, thus resulting in aggressive force.

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48998956]Yeah the video and the news articles don't really tell the full story. It could of been handled way differently. And this is a police officer. Student should of expected a lot then just detention.[/QUOTE] I do agree though that the force was a bit.. excessive. But, the cop is within his full rights to do what is necessary to assess the situation. You agree, right? (I'm not arguing, just making sure you see it the way I do)

[QUOTE=valkery;48998255]Eh, fuck her. She didn't want to go willingly, so she got dumped and cuffed. Guy used as much force as was warranted.[/QUOTE] Not really sure how being flipped on your neck falls under "warranted" unless you're say, attempting to stab the officer in question.

[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;48998685]If a parent did that to their child, they would be arrested. The girl didn't do anything, she wasn't being violent, nor did she even lift a finger. Yet another Yankee officer on "paid leave" for assault. It also turns out that the same officer assaulted a black man who came home from the military and emptied a whole can of pepper spray in his eyes.[/QUOTE] Hey po po hater, the dude is actually in fact on leave without pay. The girl in the video did hit him. Lets not be so stupid okay?

Questionable at best. I think a Taser would've been in order if the objective was to get her on the ground, it's at least less violent than just dragging her around. But what the hell happened that needed the girl to be escorted by the police out of all people instead of looking at options in between? Then again, it's a school in America...

In my country, school staff can deal with difficult students by themselves.

[QUOTE=MR-X;48999014]Hey po po hater, the dude is actually in fact on leave without pay. The girl in the video did hit him. Lets not be so stupid okay?[/QUOTE] Still on leave and being let off nonetheless.

Should've just picked her up with the desk and brought the whole desk outside the classroom to deal with it.

I bet even if he fucking shot her people on FP would argue that he "was well within his rights as a police officer, she should've expected it when resisting a police officer" holy shit

I swear throughout my whole education in UK schools I have seen an instance where police were called because a student wouldn't do as the teacher said It seems quite a petty reason. Then again I don't know the US system.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48999034]Questionable at best. I think a Taser would've been in order if the objective was to get her on the ground, it's at least less violent than just dragging her around. But what the hell happened that needed the girl to be escorted by the police out of all people instead of looking at options in between? Then again, it's a school in America...[/QUOTE] Tasers aren't safe, they are less-lethal. It's also possible the officer wasn't originally planning on flipping the desk over but reacted to being punched. You could answer your second question in more detail by reading the news articles, but the basics of it is the student refused to leave when told to do so first by the teacher then the police officer. Based off your statement, I assume you watch a 10 second video and read some headlines then decide that all of those options in between didn't happen. Just because someone didn't find it interesting enough to record and upload (or it didn't fit well with the story they wanted to tell) doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;48999287]Tasers aren't safe, they are less-lethal. It's also possible the officer wasn't originally planning on flipping the desk over but reacted to being punched. You could answer your second question in more detail by reading the news articles, but the basics of it is the student refused to leave when told to do so first by the teacher then the police officer. Based off your statement, I assume you watch a 10 second video and read some headlines then decide that all of those options in between didn't happen. Just because someone didn't find it interesting enough to record and upload (or it didn't fit well with the story they wanted to tell) doesn't mean it didn't happen.[/QUOTE] no he wasn't, holy shit we even have the twitter posts from other students a page back, don't lecture people about their reading skills [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] "based off your statment I assume" like holy shit I can see the fedora and band t-shirt through the cables

[QUOTE=DaMastez;48999287]but the basics of it is the student refused to leave when told to do so first by the teacher then the police officer.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DaMastez;48999287]by the teacher [B]then[/B] the police officer.[/QUOTE] The "then" is the thing I'm asking "what the hell happened". If she was starting to swing punches at the teacher then I could see why they'd just jump straight to the police, but if she was just sitting there, can't school staff just group up and remove her instead of resorting to the police? Refusing to get up isn't a crime on its own, so the arrest could very well be a wrongful one up until the point where she started fighting back a bit.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48999300]The "then" is the thing I'm asking "what the hell happened". If she was starting to swing punches at the teacher then I could see why they'd just jump straight to the police, but if she was just sitting there, can't school staff just group up and remove her instead of resorting to the police? Refusing to get up isn't a crime on its own, so the arrest could very well be a wrongful one up until the point where she started fighting back a bit.[/QUOTE] The teachers literally cannot touch her. If she's refusing to move there isn't much they can do.

[QUOTE=Anderan;48999333]The teachers literally cannot touch her. If she's refusing to move there isn't much they can do.[/QUOTE] If the only authority that [I]can[/I] touch them in the whole school district turns out to be the police, that's asking for a lot of wrongful arrests and wasted police resources.

[QUOTE=Killuah;48999297]no he wasn't, holy shit we even have the twitter posts from other students a page back, don't lecture people about their reading skills [/QUOTE] That's nice, one student who admits he was on the opposite side of the room and couldn't hear anything ( see: [url]http://i.imgur.com/YxterB0.png[/url] ) is clearly the best source. [quote]The video was trending on Facebook, and the hashtag #AssaultAtSpringValleyHigh had been a No. 1 trending topic on Twitter on Monday night as people reacted to the incident. Many expressed shock at the force used, while others noted the girl was not complying with the officer's demands.[/quote] From [url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/us/south-carolina-spring-valley-high-school-student-video/[/url] [quote]A male student at Spring Valley told NBC News that the girl had ignored requests by the teacher to go to a "discipline office." The officer then entered the classroom and asked if she would go on her own or if he had to make her, according to the student. When the student refused to leave, Lott told NBC affiliate WIS earlier Monday, the officer "was requested to take action." She was told that she was under arrest, but again refused to leave the classroom, Lott told the station. "The video then shows the student resisting and being arrested."[/quote] From [url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-appears-show-cop-body-slamming-student-s-c-classroom-n451896?cid=sm_fb[/url] [quote]Fields, according to Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott, was acting in response to the student, who was refusing to leave class. "The student was told she was under arrest for disturbing school and given instructions which she again refused," Lott said. "The video then shows the student resisting and being arrested by the SRO."[/quote] [quote]The person who posted the Instagram video says the student was initially asked to leave the class for telling the teacher that she would not put away her phone. The poster says the teacher disciplined the student with a write-up for being disrespectful and disobedient. After being asked to leave again, and her refusing, an administrator came to remove her, she refused, and that is when the SRO was called in. The poster of this video claims when Fields got to the classroom, he asked her to get up from her desk 4 or 5 times and again, she tells him no. After moving objects from around the student, and asking again to leave the classroom, and her refusing, that is where you see the officer getting physical.[/quote] From [url]http://www.wistv.com/story/30353999/video-shows-confrontation-between-spring-valley-student-and-school-resource-officer[/url] [quote]The girl who was taken to the ground was arrested on a charge called "disturbing schools." A classmate, Niya Kenny, was also arrested for the same charge. Niya told CNN's Don Lemon on Tuesday night the incident started when her math teacher told the other girl to give up her cell phone. The girl refused and defied orders from the teacher and an administrator to leave the classroom. That's when Deputy Fields was called in, Niya said. The school resource officer asked the girl to leave the classroom with him. Niya said he "moves her laptop from off of her desk. He grabs her arm and puts his arm around her neck at first. So that's why you actually see her -- if you get the right video -- you'll see her trying to swing at him. "And at that point," Niya said, " he just flipped the desk back and grabbed her out of it and threw her. And that's when you see her rolling across the floor."[/quote] From [url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/28/us/south-carolina-school-arrest-videos/[/url] [quote]The girl was paying attention to her cell phone instead of participating in class, Lott said. She was asked to leave the classroom by a teacher and then an assistant principal before the deputy was called in, Lott said.[/quote] From [url]http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article41609259.html[/url]

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48999348]If the only authority that [I]can[/I] touch them in the whole school district turns out to be the police, that's asking for a lot of wrongful arrests and wasted police resources.[/QUOTE] As far as I'm aware law enforcement are the only ones that can physically remove them. Schools are terrified of lawsuits.

American High Schools are fucking dumb because of shit like this. No, kids are not getting power-slammed to the ground every day- but there are many events where faculty pull the cop-card just because they cannot handle minute transgressions. They sent the cops to my house one day when my brother missed his 15th day of school. Also tased a girl in my lunchroom in 3rd year. Yeah she punched the guy (was a weak sitting-down "just-get-away-from-me-and-let-me-eat-my-sandwich" kind of punch) so the response might have been justified- but the situation stemmed from her refusing to go down to the office for not wearing her [I]mandatory ID[/I]. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] What I'm trying to say is: It feels like there's a huge gap in the chain of authority from High-School teacher -> Police