Officer caught on video slamming student against the floor and dragging them across the room - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;48998385]That's still a stupid reason to body slam someone. A teenager sitting at a desk doesn't somehow warrant being thrown to the ground in a way that could potentially cause serious damage.[/QUOTE] By no extent was that a "body slam" It looks like she got tangled in the desk as he was trying to get her out of it. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=General J;48999395]American High Schools are fucking dumb because of shit like this. No, kids are not getting power-slammed to the ground every day- but there are many events where faculty pull the cop-card just because they cannot handle minute transgressions. They sent the cops to my house one day when my brother missed his 15th day of school. Also tased a girl in my lunchroom in 3rd year. Yeah she punched the guy (was a weak sitting-down "just-get-away-from-me-and-let-me-eat-my-sandwich" kind of punch) so the response might have been justified- but the situation stemmed from her refusing to go down to the office for not wearing her [I]mandatory ID[/I]. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] What I'm trying to say is: It feels like there's a huge gap in the chain of authority from High-School teacher -> Police[/QUOTE] "Power Slammed" come on Truancy is illegal and police normally deal with that sort of thing. 15 days is a fucking lot.

I can't believe people can argue this much when they don't even know the full story at all like, everyone is working purely based on ASSUMPTION of what actually happened. like they just magically know how it happened. just put your hands over your eyes and don't read anything anyone says. Just take a deep breath and say "I am in the right" and it'll be all over soon. [QUOTE=Anderan;48999354]As far as I'm aware law enforcement are the only ones that can physically remove them. Schools are terrified of lawsuits.[/QUOTE] I don't know laws well but I'm almost completely certain, at least here, that it's the case for NY

Regardless of what the student did and didn't, the officer had no business being so excessive.

She would not go to the office The teacher called the office, and yet she would still not go They pulled in a police officer, who said that she had to come with him, and she still didn't go He approached her, and she flipped her desk and started throwing a hissy fit He told her to put his hands behind her back, and she resisted arrest He did what he had to do.

Really like everyone believing other teens that are already mixing their stories up, and not listening to the ones that aren't, solely because they don't follow "fuk da poluce" idea. She wasn't going to move period and people are actually surprised that force was used [B]after[/B] she already was hitting the cop that was trying to move her a lot less physically and by the book. Shes not some little kid, shes a teenager. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] If the teen was white, this would probably never reach the news and just kinda simmer on social media.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;48999349]That's nice, one student who admits he was on the opposite side of the room and couldn't hear anything ( see: [url]http://i.imgur.com/YxterB0.png[/url] ) is clearly the best source. From [url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/us/south-carolina-spring-valley-high-school-student-video/[/url] From [url]http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/video-appears-show-cop-body-slamming-student-s-c-classroom-n451896?cid=sm_fb[/url] From [url]http://www.wistv.com/story/30353999/video-shows-confrontation-between-spring-valley-student-and-school-resource-officer[/url] From [url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/28/us/south-carolina-school-arrest-videos/[/url] From [url]http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article41609259.html[/url][/QUOTE] What are you even saying [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=mcgrath618;48999582]She would not go to the office The teacher called the office, and yet she would still not go They pulled in a police officer, who said that she had to come with him, and she still didn't go He approached her, and she flipped her desk and started throwing a hissy fit He told her to put his hands behind her back, and she resisted arrest He did what he had to do.[/QUOTE] Noone fliped a desk except the officer????

So many people defending this, I am confused. Why the hell would you go WWE on a teen's ass if they do not pose any danger? Because they said no when you said them to get up? That's just stupid. I really hope the teacher and cop in question are brought to justice.

I'm usually more on the police side in those kinda things, but damn that was rough. Wouldn't trust the twitter saying she was innocent though, people always cover for each other like that. Didn't do anything and all that jazz

I don't think this is an example of excessive force (mostly because of how desks work), but I think its an example of poor situation assessment. If she was any threat at all, why would they let the rest of the students stay in the room? If she wasnt a threat, why did she need removed from the desk? Why didn't the officer see the desk and think "Oh man, I've sat in one of those before and can determine it's going to be very hard to remove her, maybe this is going to go poorly." Also, why did they even send a cop at all? What crime did she actually commit besides resisting arrest? She refused to leave? Okay suspend her, but class was still in session. She would've gotten up and left after class or at the very least been non-compliant at an earlier time. Why did they think they needed a cop [I]right now?[/I] Honestly, fuck all my other stupid ramblings, why [I]did[/I] they send a cop in the middle of class? A teacher had to think "This student is insubordinate, referrals or suspensions won't work. I need her forcefully removed right now" and that actually risked this girls life. Sure the girl was super at fault, but she's a high school kid. That's where she's supposed to make bad decisions and adults are supposed to teach her the right ones, not make [B]worse[/B] decisions.

i mean this in the most affectionate way to american posters but your perception of the police is so fucking twisted

Honestly, after re-watching the video a hundred times, it looks like she flipped the desk herself. Granted he was helping by lifting her from the thigh making her weigh a lot less, but still.

[QUOTE=General J;48999395]American High Schools are fucking dumb because of shit like this. No, kids are not getting power-slammed to the ground every day- but there are many events where faculty pull the cop-card just because they cannot handle minute transgressions. They sent the cops to my house one day when my brother missed his 15th day of school. Also tased a girl in my lunchroom in 3rd year. Yeah she punched the guy (was a weak sitting-down "just-get-away-from-me-and-let-me-eat-my-sandwich" kind of punch) so the response might have been justified- but the situation stemmed from her refusing to go down to the office for not wearing her [I]mandatory ID[/I]. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] What I'm trying to say is: It feels like there's a huge gap in the chain of authority from High-School teacher -> Police[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MedicWine;48999757]I don't think this is an example of excessive force (mostly because of how desks work), but I think its an example of poor situation assessment. If she was any threat at all, why would they let the rest of the students stay in the room? If she wasnt a threat, why did she need removed from the desk? Why didn't the officer see the desk and think "Oh man, I've sat in one of those before and can determine it's going to be very hard to remove her, maybe this is going to go poorly." Also, why did they even send a cop at all? What crime did she actually commit besides resisting arrest? She refused to leave? Okay suspend her, but class was still in session. She would've gotten up and left after class or at the very least been non-compliant at an earlier time. Why did they think they needed a cop [I]right now?[/I] Honestly, fuck all my other stupid ramblings, why [I]did[/I] they send a cop in the middle of class? A teacher had to think "This student is insubordinate, referrals or suspensions won't work. I need her forcefully removed right now" and that actually risked this girls life. Sure the girl was super at fault, but she's a high school kid. That's where she's supposed to make bad decisions and adults are supposed to teach her the right ones, not make [B]worse[/B] decisions.[/QUOTE] This. IDK about you guys but calling in a cop to deal with a non-compliant [B]student[/B] is fucking stupid. Never mind the fact they let it escalate way too much. And as for that cop, he just bruteforced it into a clusterfuck and frankly he could've injured her. Now fair enough, I imagine there are cases where officers have to use force to deal with potentially dangerous suspects or make tough calls in the heat of the moment but neither apply here. She's a fucking high-school kid, there is no necessity for using force on her over some petty non-compliance. I hate how people are like "lol they brought it on themselves" but goddamn that shit is not a proportionate response nor should it ever be.

It'd be nice if people could drop the pretense of caring about "respect for authority" and just come right out and say that they support police brutality regardless of the circumstances. Really, it'd save a lot of pointless back and forth.

[QUOTE=valkery;48998349]You saw only the clip of him picking her up. He could have been there for twenty minutes before trying to reason with her for all you know. The reports online are even more vague. If you want to demonize him, do it when you have the full picture, not just his questionable action.[/QUOTE] You people are completely missing the point Is there ever something a schoolkid calmly sitting in their chair could ever do that warrants this kind of violence? Read the article, the kid was just refusing to go the principles office for whatever the teacher was accusing them of. They wanted to stay in the class, this isnt a fucking crime. Just suspend them and dont let them in the next day. Why does a cop need to be in the classroom to discipline a student? We frown on teachers belting students, but what the fuck is this they call him an armed officer to fucking pummel them, your defending him? You've completely lost your mind. This is exactly what people refer to when they talk about normalization of excessive force.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48999807]It'd be nice if people could drop the pretense of caring about "respect for authority" and just come right out and say that they support police brutality regardless of the circumstances. Really, it'd save a lot of pointless back and forth.[/QUOTE] 'if you think disobeying lawful orders is wrong you support all police brutality regardless of the circumstances' Yawmwen? Is that you?

What the heck is "disturbing schools" and why can you be [i]arrested[/i] for it? Why is there an officer of the law at a high school? So what if she "hit" him? Was he hurt? Did she clearly mean to hurt him? His response is something I'd expect if someone had pulled a weapon. Just what the fuck

[QUOTE=jA_cOp;48999862]What the heck is "disturbing schools" and why can you be [i]arrested[/i] for it? Why is there an officer of the law at a high school? So what if she "hit" him? Was he hurt? Did she clearly mean to hurt him? His response is something I'd expect if someone had pulled a weapon. Just what the fuck[/QUOTE] Idk if its a poor school thing, but my school definitely had a cop on campus at all times.

[QUOTE=jA_cOp;48999862]What the heck is "disturbing schools" and why can you be [i]arrested[/i] for it?[/QUOTE] Teachers aren't allowed to touch students directly so if a student is having serious behavioral issues that are disrupting the classroom they have to call a cop to do something about it. It's supposed to be for students who are preventing the teacher from teaching, not for non-disruptive activities like using a cell phone in class.

I'm sorry, but from all the videos shown, yes the force is excessive, but executed well enough. I don't really see any point where the student could have hurt herself when the cop tipped the desk. After that, when he got behind the teachers desk, anyone's guess, but that's goes with getting people on the ground. Sure, her legs could have gotten caught up between the metal bars, but that didn't happen. At any point, I do not see the girl "ragdoll"

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48999807]It'd be nice if people could drop the pretense of caring about "respect for authority" and just come right out and say that they support police brutality regardless of the circumstances. Really, it'd save a lot of pointless back and forth.[/QUOTE] I honestly disrespect police in certain aspects (Estonian at least), that disrespect may even be hugely unjust, but if this page is any indication then officer did everything correctly. The only thing what was wrong in this situation is calling the officer in the first place which is pathetic as fuxk.

[QUOTE=Killuah;48999260]I bet even if he fucking shot her people on FP would argue that he "was well within his rights as a police officer, she should've expected it when resisting a police officer" holy shit[/QUOTE] What's the point of a post like this, exactly? Moral high ground? And how do you know for sure? [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48999807]It'd be nice if people could drop the pretense of caring about "respect for authority" and just come right out and say that they support police brutality regardless of the circumstances. Really, it'd save a lot of pointless back and forth.[/QUOTE] It may not be applicable in some situations, but more often than not, complying with a police officer will avoid physical confrontation. If you believe you are being detained or arrested wrongly, that's entirely why the court system exists - you don't argue with the officer at the scene. I do not support "police brutality" but statements like this similarly accomplish nothing other than making you feel better about your moral standing.

[QUOTE=Killuah;48999677]What are you even saying [/QUOTE] it's pretty clear what he was saying...that one student's supposed account (remember witness accounts aren't always 100% true) isn't more true than everywhere else implying the opposite. do you really need this spelled out for you? [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MedicWine;48999757]I don't think this is an example of excessive force (mostly because of how desks work), but I think its an example of poor situation assessment. If she was any threat at all, why would they let the rest of the students stay in the room? If she wasnt a threat, why did she need removed from the desk? Why didn't the officer see the desk and think "Oh man, I've sat in one of those before and can determine it's going to be very hard to remove her, maybe this is going to go poorly." Also, why did they even send a cop at all? What crime did she actually commit besides resisting arrest? She refused to leave? Okay suspend her, but class was still in session. She would've gotten up and left after class or at the very least been non-compliant at an earlier time. Why did they think they needed a cop [I]right now?[/I] Honestly, fuck all my other stupid ramblings, why [I]did[/I] they send a cop in the middle of class? A teacher had to think "This student is insubordinate, referrals or suspensions won't work. I need her forcefully removed right now" and that actually risked this girls life. Sure the girl was super at fault, but she's a high school kid. That's where she's supposed to make bad decisions and adults are supposed to teach her the right ones, not make [B]worse[/B] decisions.[/QUOTE] teachers have the right to teach class undisturbed. if a student is asked to leave, they are required to, being that its probably somewhere in the code of conduct. if she had left when the teacher and administrators told her to, would this have happened?

[QUOTE=Killuah;48999677]What are you even saying[/QUOTE] Here let's review: [QUOTE=wickedplayer494;48999034]But what the hell happened that needed the girl to be escorted by the police out of all people instead of looking at options in between? Then again, it's a school in America...[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DaMastez;48999287]You could answer your second question in more detail by reading the news articles, but the basics of it is the student refused to leave when told to do so first by the teacher then the police officer. [...][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Killuah;48999297]no he wasn't, holy shit we even have the twitter posts from other students a page back, don't lecture people about their reading skills[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DaMastez;48999349](wall of quotes all from various news sources saying she was given a number of chances, along with noting how the twitter posts on the first page [by one person] isn't the best source)[/QUOTE] Or, if you were saying "he wasn't punched", there's some quotes about that too in those links though I mostly cut them out of the snippets.

[QUOTE=stupid10er;48999978]it's pretty clear what he was saying...that one student's supposed account (remember witness accounts aren't always 100% true) isn't more true than everywhere else implying the opposite. do you really need this spelled out for you? [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] teachers have the right to teach class undisturbed. if a student is asked to leave, they are required to, being that its probably somewhere in the code of conduct. if she had left when the teacher and administrators told her to, would this have happened?[/QUOTE] Yes since there is nothing implying the opposite in the post.

I got slapped by a child! Time to beat the everloving fuck out of them And then we all act shocked and surprised when people say they hate cops

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49000015]I got slapped by a child! Time to beat the everloving fuck out of them And then we all act shocked and surprised when people say they hate cops[/QUOTE] Pssst, don't say child. There are way too many highschoolers here who are VERY sensitive to being called a child instead of the proper term "teen" or whatever

[QUOTE=Mattk50;48999834]You people are completely missing the point Is there ever something a schoolkid calmly sitting in their chair could ever do that warrants this kind of violence? Read the article, the kid was just refusing to go the principles office for whatever the teacher was accusing them of. They wanted to stay in the class, this isnt a fucking crime. Just suspend them and dont let them in the next day. Why does a cop need to be in the classroom to discipline a student? We frown on teachers belting students, but what the fuck is this they call him an armed officer to fucking pummel them, your defending him? You've completely lost your mind.[/QUOTE] When words don't work, you can either do fuck all or get physical. Doing fuck all accomplishes nothing because it just leads to the mindset of "don't want to get punished, refuse to move". It's the same as those students who were protesting at a school that led to the pepper spraying thing because they refused to leave. The problem is the lack of respect for authority; not respect in the "traditional" sense mind, but in the sense the police are "the law" and you must obey lawful orders or you will be forced to do so. So yes, I will defend the police using (within limits mind) force to deal with people who refuse to comply with orders for whatever reason. The police have a job to do, making their job harder by resisting doesn't accomplish anything beyond putting yourself at risk.

[QUOTE=catbarf;48999852]'if you think disobeying lawful orders is wrong you support all police brutality regardless of the circumstances' Yawmwen? Is that you?[/QUOTE] If picking up a teenage girl by the head, flipping her out of her desk, slamming her into the ground, dragging her across the room, and throwing her into the corner for not leaving when asked isn't a a clear enough display of police brutality for you to find issue, then what [I]is?[/I] Would an infant have to be involved?

[QUOTE=Killuah;49000029]Pssst, don't say child. There are way too many highschoolers here who are VERY sensitive to being called a child instead of the proper term "teen" or whatever[/QUOTE] If they're under 18, they're legally a child

She was obviously resisting and wouldn't leave her seat. Because she's sitting in a chair with one of those desks attached she couldn't easily be removed from her seat. When he tried to pull her out the entire desk went with her. It's like 100% a non issue and I don't get you people that are crying about it. What was he supposed to do? Ask her politely to get out the chair? That obviously didn't work so he had to force her out and she made a big scene of it. No one was hurt. No one is dead. It's a 100% non issue. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] I like how it's a race thing too. Because I watched the video without reading the article first and I was like "Okay, what's the big deal?" Than I read the article and it mentions the student was black and I was like, oh, okay. So that is just another thing for people to irrationally latched onto. People are way too sensitive. If the cop had got her on the ground and started beating her than maybe we could talk about police brutality but literally nothing was done wrong in this situation. I still don't understand what he was supposed to do? Put the chair on a dolly and wheel her away?