Officer caught on video slamming student against the floor and dragging them across the room - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49000129]She was obviously resisting and wouldn't leave her seat. Because she's sitting in a chair with one of those desks attached she couldn't easily be removed from her seat. When he tried to pull her out the entire desk went with her. It's like 100% a non issue and I don't get you people that are crying about it. What was he supposed to do? Ask her politely to get out the chair? That obviously didn't work so he had to force her out and she made a big scene of it. No one was hurt. No one is dead. It's a 100% non issue.[/QUOTE] "What was he supposed to do?" Obviously physically assault her. Should have stomped her a few times, too. That'd teach the little rascal to argue.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000147]"What was he supposed to do?" Obviously physically assault her. Should have stomped her a few times, too. That'd teach the little rascal to argue.[/QUOTE] I don't see physical assault. At all. I don't understand. We watched the same video, right? He pulled her out of the chair and put her on the ground and than started to restrain her. I don't see him ever punching her, slapping her, kicking her. Literally all he did was grab her and pull her out of the chair and she made it difficult by staying seated and taking the whole desk with her resulting her being pulled out of the chair.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000147]"What was he supposed to do?" Obviously physically assault her. Should have stomped her a few times, too. That'd teach the little rascal to argue.[/QUOTE] I've yet to see a serious answer to this question. Tell us what was he supposed to do?

"Justified" police brutality applied to child-rearing: toddler refusing to eat her veggies? Pick her up by the throat and fling her out the fucking window for not respecting your goddamn authority.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000158]"Justified" police brutality applied to child-rearing: toddler refusing to eat her veggies? Pick her up by the throat and fling her out the fucking window for not respecting your goddamn authority.[/QUOTE] You're still doing this thing where you just criticize the actions of the officer instead of providing any useful comentary.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000158]"Justified" police brutality applied to child-rearing: toddler refusing to eat her veggies? Pick her up by the throat and fling her out the fucking window for not respecting your goddamn authority.[/QUOTE] In the video the officer never grabbed her by the throat. Why are you misinterpreting what we are saying to make us sound like monsters? No one ever said that if our toddler didn't want to eat veggie we should attack her. In that video is a high schooler. A young adult, probably like 16-18 years old. This is no where close to the example you just made.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000158]"Justified" police brutality applied to child-rearing: toddler refusing to eat her veggies? Pick her up by the throat and fling her out the fucking window for not respecting your goddamn authority.[/QUOTE] You of all people know better than to equate two completely different situations, especially in a way that places words in the mouths of others.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49000166]You're still doing this thing where you just criticize the actions of the officer instead of providing any useful comentary.[/QUOTE] lmao do fuckin' nothing and it works out better than this. She wasn't a threat to anybody, let her realize that the consequences she's going to face for not leaving when asked to are going to be greater than if she would simply cooperate. Suspension vs detention. If she wants to do her little power play, who's it going to harm other than herself? This isn't a hardened criminal we're dealing with, it's an upset teenage girl. She's not a threat to any of the other students, she's just trying to show that she's independent. You can teach her the error of her ways without literally throwing her across the room. If you think the officer's reaction is anything less than horrifying, then I pray you [I]never[/I] work with kids, because you clearly don't understand the way they think.

I don't think the use of force was unnecessary. I haven't kept up with the thread or heard why it happened, but I think the officer could've handled the situation with more restraint. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000202]lmao do fuckin' nothing and it works out better than this. She wasn't a threat to anybody, let her realize that the consequences she's going to face for not leaving when asked to are going to be greater than if she would simply cooperate. Suspension vs detention. If she wants to do her little power play, who's it going to harm other than herself? This isn't a hardened criminal we're dealing with, it's an upset teenage girl. She's not a threat to any of the other students, she's just trying to show that she's independent. You can teach her the error of her ways without literally throwing her across the room. If you think the officer's reaction is anything less than horrifying, then I pray you [I]never[/I] work with kids, because you clearly don't understand the way they think.[/QUOTE] Was the officer there for non-school related business? Like did she get caught breaking a law outside of school and they decided to pick her up for it during class? Or did the teacher call him in just because she was being uncooperative in class?

Maybe this goes to show that you shouldn't disrespect police officers. I mean this guy went absolutely fucking overboard. Just don't do what this guy did and you'll be fine. [video=youtube;EtD-KOatgEQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtD-KOatgEQ[/video]

[QUOTE=OvB;49000203]I don't think the use of force was unnecessary. I haven't kept up with the thread or heard why it happened, but I think the officer could've handled the situation with more restraint. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] Was the officer there for non-school related business? Like did she get caught breaking a law outside of school and they decided to pick her up for it during class? Or did the teacher call him in just because she was being uncooperative in class?[/QUOTE] The teacher told her to leave, she didn't. The teacher called the assistant principal. The assistant principal told her to leave, she didn't. The assistant principal called an officer. The officer told her to leave, she didn't. The officer removed her from class.

[QUOTE=Eeshton;48998335]so you're telling me the only way a cop can do his job without the use of... "reasoning" is to pick this high school student by the neck and thigh and flip her to the ground and cuff her. a high school student was capable of putting up enough resistance to 2 grown men in a 10x10 classroom, that it warranted the amount of force used in this video, this is what you are saying.[/QUOTE] It didn't appear that he grabbed their neck in the video, from what I saw it looked like he grabbed their arm.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49000129]She was obviously resisting and wouldn't leave her seat. Because she's sitting in a chair with one of those desks attached she couldn't easily be removed from her seat. When he tried to pull her out the entire desk went with her. It's like 100% a non issue and I don't get you people that are crying about it. What was he supposed to do? Ask her politely to get out the chair? That obviously didn't work so he had to force her out and she made a big scene of it. No one was hurt. No one is dead. It's a 100% non issue. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] I like how it's a race thing too. Because I watched the video without reading the article first and I was like "Okay, what's the big deal?" Than I read the article and it mentions the student was black and I was like, oh, okay. So that is just another thing for people to irrationally latched onto. People are way too sensitive. If the cop had got her on the ground and started beating her than maybe we could talk about police brutality but literally nothing was done wrong in this situation. I still don't understand what he was supposed to do? Put the chair on a dolly and wheel her away?[/QUOTE] Leave her and give her detention ?

[QUOTE=OvB;49000203]I don't think the use of force was unnecessary. I haven't kept up with the thread or heard why it happened, but I think the officer could've handled the situation with more restraint. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] Was the officer there for non-school related business? Like did she get caught breaking a law outside of school and they decided to pick her up for it during class? Or did the teacher call him in just because she was being uncooperative in class?[/QUOTE] He's just a school resource officer. We had one, too. They hang around the school, occasionally do locker checks, tell kids not to run in the halls, etc. He was called into the class because the student was asked to leave for some reason and refused to. According to the other students in the class, she was sitting quietly in her chair, passively refusing, until the officer showed up and laid hands on her. What's really fuckin' with me here is, like, did none of the folks justifying this actually go to high school? I saw the same scenario play out at least a few dozen times without the need for an officer to start chuckin' teens around the room. Every time I saw it play it, it ended pretty much the same way. Teacher would tell the student to leave, the student would refuse, the teacher would warn the student that if they didn't leave then they could just wait there until the end of class, at which point the principle would meet him or her and award them a more severe punishment. Instead of just having to sit in the hall for a bit, he could be looking at a few days of in-school suspension. In most cases, the student would fume for a few minutes before either calming down and quietly leaving, or pretend like leaving was their idea all along (I don't want to be here anyway!). Either way, the problematic student was gone. In every other case, the student would quietly fume until the end of class, at which point the principle would walk in as the other students were leaving and have a talk with him or her that usually resulted in a more severe punishment. The only time this kind of force is ever justified in the school environment is if it is to stop an active physical threat. Somebody who's throwing things around, actively in a fight, threatening people, etc.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000202]lmao do fuckin' nothing and it works out better than this. She wasn't a threat to anybody, let her realize that the consequences she's going to face for not leaving when asked to are going to be greater than if she would simply cooperate. Suspension vs detention. If she wants to do her little power play, who's it going to harm other than herself? This isn't a hardened criminal we're dealing with, it's an upset teenage girl. She's not a threat to any of the other students, she's just trying to show that she's independent. You can teach her the error of her ways without literally throwing her across the room. If you think the officer's reaction is anything less than horrifying, then I pray you [I]never[/I] work with kids, because you clearly don't understand the way they think.[/QUOTE] Do nothing. Brilliant. You can teach her the error of her ways? HOW? At no momment she was treated as a treath. She was restrained to be removed from the class. She wouldn't have been slammed on the ground if she hand't punched the officer. You think she's a kid? She's a teenager, almost an adult. She's not a pouty 5 year old who doesn't want to eat her veggies.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49000168]In the video the officer never grabbed her by the throat. Why are you misinterpreting what we are saying to make us sound like monsters? No one ever said that if our toddler didn't want to eat veggie we should attack her. In that video is a high schooler. A young adult, probably like 16-18 years old. This is no where close to the example you just made.[/QUOTE] Tbh you seem kind of like a heartless douche/monster to me when you think that physical force is in ANY way warranted in situations where pupils don't "obey" the school authority the way she did. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ragekipz;49000272]Do nothing. Brilliant. You can teach her the error of her ways? HOW? At no momment she was treated as a treath. She was restrained to be removed from the class. She wouldn't have been slammed on the ground if she hand't punched the officer. You think she's a kid? She's a teenager, almost an adult. She's not a pouty 5 year old who doesn't want to eat her veggies.[/QUOTE] Obviously not by violence. I like how you somehow bring up being almost an adult as some twisted reason for physical force when in reality it's the absolute opposite. Also none of the sources say she punched the officer where is this coming from.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49000272]You think she's a kid? She's a teenager, almost an adult. She's not a pouty 5 year old who doesn't want to eat her veggies.[/QUOTE] you clearly are unfamiliar with teenagers. what's the first thing anyone says when they go "fuck the police?" "you sound like an edgy teenager," "i remember being sixteen too." but as far as i know the cure for edginess does not generally involve a sick powerbomb

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49000272]Do nothing. Brilliant. You can teach her the error of her ways? HOW? At no momment she was treated as a treath. She was restrained to be removed from the class. She wouldn't have been slammed on the ground if she hand't punched the officer. You think she's a kid? She's a teenager, almost an adult. She's not a pouty 5 year old who doesn't want to eat her veggies.[/QUOTE] Did you just not go to school, or something? Like, are you not aware of the kinds of ways they can punish students? Detention, in school suspension, out of school suspension, full-day weekend detentions, being banned from assemblies, dances, and school social events temporarily or permanently, extra school work, and a load of increasingly creative things. I'll tell you straight that I acted up a few times during high school too, same as most people. Teenagers are impulsive, hormonal narcissists. They often do dumb things because they think they are right and everybody else is wrong. It's compounded when other students and friends are watching, because now they feel they [I]just have[/I] to "stand up for themselves." Yet, more often than not, it doesn't take slamming their heads into the ground to teach them differently. If they won't cooperate right away, tell them to wait until after class and you'll have the principle and/or resource officer meet them when the room is empty. Let them stew for a bit, and they slowly start to realize that they don't have as much power as they think they do. If they don't leave of their own volition at that point, then you've got a much more manageable situation after class, when the student isn't being watched by his or her peers and knows there's nothing to gain from acting out.

i'm interested by what some of you guys deem excessive force there's a lot of posts here about the desk being flipped as if it's a major point - chances are if you're picking up someone in a desk it's gonna flip, yet the news clip said that neither of the girls were injured/harmed. the point where he basically reefs her across the floor is i'd say a bit too much but where is the line in this scenario between manhandling the girl to detain her and excessive force? or is manhandling her excessive in the first place?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000259]He's just a school resource officer. We had one, too. They hang around the school, occasionally do locker checks, tell kids not to run in the halls, etc. He was called into the class because the student was asked to leave for some reason and refused to. According to the other students in the class, she was sitting quietly in her chair, passively refusing, until the officer showed up and laid hands on her. What's really fuckin' with me here is, like, did none of the folks justifying this actually go to high school? I saw the same scenario play out at least a few dozen times without the need for an officer to start chuckin' teens around the room. Every time I saw it play it, it ended pretty much the same way. Teacher would tell the student to leave, the student would refuse, the teacher would warn the student that if they didn't leave then they could just wait there until the end of class, at which point the principle would meet him or her and award them a more severe punishment. Instead of just having to sit in the hall for a bit, he could be looking at a few days of in-school suspension. In most cases, the student would fume for a few minutes before either calming down and quietly leaving, or pretend like leaving was their idea all along (I don't want to be here anyway!). Either way, the problematic student was gone. In every other case, the student would quietly fume until the end of class, at which point the principle would walk in as the other students were leaving and have a talk with him or her that usually resulted in a more severe punishment. The only time this kind of force is ever justified in the school environment is if it is to stop an active physical threat. Somebody who's throwing things around, actively in a fight, threatening people, etc.[/QUOTE] I'm inclined to agree. I don't think I've ever seen the RO's get involved in my time at high school. Except maybe to break up a fight, but even then that was uncommon. I don't see a reason to have to forcibly remove a student unless they're being mega-disruptive. (screaming and fighting, throwing things, whatever)

[QUOTE=TrulliLulli;49000315]i'm interested by what some of you guys deem excessive force there's a lot of posts here about the desk being flipped as if it's a major point - chances are if you're picking up someone in a desk it's gonna flip, yet the news clip said that neither of the girls were injured/harmed. the point where he basically reefs her across the floor is i'd say a bit too much but where is the line in this scenario between manhandling the girl to detain her and excessive force? or is manhandling her excessive in the first place?[/QUOTE] Of course the last. You don't call the police when a pupil doesn't want to leave class in the first place. You shrug it off knowing that you have the authority and give her detention and that's it.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000314]Did you just not go to school, or something? Like, are you not aware of the kinds of ways they can punish students? Detention, in school suspension, out of school suspension, full-day weekend detentions, being banned from assemblies, dances, and school social events temporarily or permanently, extra school work, and a load of increasingly creative things. I'll tell you straight that I acted up a few times during high school too, same as most people. Teenagers are impulsive, hormonal narcissists. They often do dumb things because they think they are right and everybody else is wrong. It's compounded when other students and friends are watching, because now they feel they [I]just have[/I] to "stand up for themselves." Yet, more often than not, it doesn't take slamming their heads into the ground to teach them differently. If they won't cooperate right away, tell them to wait until after class and you'll have the principle and/or resource officer meet them when the room is empty. Let them stew for a bit, and they slowly start to realize that they don't have as much power as they think they do. If they don't leave of their own volition at that point, then you've got a much more manageable situation after class, when the student isn't being watched by his or her peers and knows there's nothing to gain from acting out.[/QUOTE] That all went out of the window the momment they called a officer. The officer isn't an educator. He isn't there to teach anything to anyone. He was called there because a student refused to leave class. He acted within his rights to fulfill his duties to the school.

[QUOTE=TrulliLulli;49000315]i'm interested by what some of you guys deem excessive force there's a lot of posts here about the desk being flipped as if it's a major point - chances are if you're picking up someone in a desk it's gonna flip, yet the news clip said that neither of the girls were injured/harmed. the point where he basically reefs her across the floor is i'd say a bit too much but where is the line in this scenario between manhandling the girl to detain her and excessive force? or is manhandling her excessive in the first place?[/QUOTE] For a completely nonviolent teenage girl who's sin is being stubborn when asked to leave class? Any amount of physical force is too much, yeah. The amount that Fields displayed took a running leap at the bounds of professional judgment. It is absolutely the proper response from the school to get him off the campus, of the parents of the student to consider litigation if pressing charges isn't an option, and of the police department to more thoroughly investigate his actions and consider whether any changes need to be made as far as their department's training or policies go.

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;49000319]I'm looking at all of the videos. 50% chance thinks that she tried to take a swing and failed. 50% thinks that it's the officer grabbing first.[/QUOTE] I'm looking at the videos and the only one that shows the few secs before he flips her [url]http://www.wistv.com/clip/11950851/raw-second-angle-of-confrontation-between-sro-and-spring-valley-student?clienttype=generic[/url] shows him just walking up and grabbing her.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49000342]That all went out of the window the momment they called a officer.[/QUOTE] No kidding. Calling the officer was completely unnecessary, and the officer's response even more so. That's why people are upset. [QUOTE=Ragekipz;49000342]He was called there because a student refused to leave class. He acted within his rights to fulfill his duties to the school.[/QUOTE] I, the school, the parents, the students, and the local police department all respectfully disagree.

[QUOTE=Satane;49000363]These american desks look uncomfortable as fuck[/QUOTE] Dude, I could bitch about those desks for hours. They're awful, especially if you're not of average size. I reached 6'5" by the end of highschool, and those tiny little desks required no small amount of contortion to make work.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000368]Dude, I could bitch those desks for hours. They're awful, especially if you're not of average size. I reached 6'5" by the end of highschool, and those tiny little desks required no small amount of contortion to make work.[/QUOTE] If you're left handed like me, you'd know hell. My high school did not buy a single left-handed desk.

what happened to calling parents and telling them their child is getting punished for being a nuisance lmao calling a grown man to manhandle a teenage girl and people are actually trying to justify it, really sad to see it

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49000342]That all went out of the window the momment they called a officer. The officer isn't an educator. He isn't there to teach anything to anyone. He was called there because a student refused to leave class. He acted within his rights to fulfill his duties to the school.[/QUOTE] "It's not the dog's fault its owner let it loose on that little girl"

Dude, fuck school man. Whatever about the cop, but the fucking next step of escalation after "Send her to the office" is "Call the fucking police"? Fuck American Highschool. So fucking glad I never have to go back to that fucking penal colony