Officer caught on video slamming student against the floor and dragging them across the room - Polidicks

Maybe its an American thing, but the biggest problem that I see here is why would they feel the need to call a cop to handle this, its not like the girl is trying to do any harm to anybody. If similar event happens in my school, our teachers would just ask her a few time, then ignore her and have the school suspend her later or maybe call her parents about this. I really don't get the involvement of police in this case.

[QUOTE=jason3232;49000875]Maybe its an American thing, but the biggest problem that I see here is why would they feel the need to call a cop to handle this, its not like the girl is trying to do any harm to anybody. If similar event happens in my school, our teachers would just ask her a few time, then ignore her and have the school suspend her later or maybe call her parents about this. I really don't get the involvement of police in this case.[/QUOTE] Liability. A teacher can lose his or her job for getting physically involved like this. If the student won't leave, there's little else we can do to resolve the situation. The school can suspend the student, but how do they get her out of the classroom if she won't leave on her own accord?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49000736]So we're in agreement then; the cop was in the wrong[/QUOTE] I don't know enough about US Laws to say that he wasn't legally wrong. I was led to believe that he was within his rights, but I still don't believe it was the right course of action. What I'm criticizing here is the posture of just telling that the officer was wrong without bringing any useful commentary about how the situation should've been handled by the officer.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49000876]Liability. A teacher can lose his or her job for getting physically involved like this. If the student won't leave, there's little else we can do to resolve the situation. The school can suspend the student, but how do they get her out of the classroom if she won't leave on her own accord?[/QUOTE] nah I dont mean having the teacher 'physically' move the student out, but just ignore her and continue the lesson. I mean, the girl is focusing on her phone rather than the lesson, and not really disturbing the class right? yeah I know it might annoys the teacher, but a teacher should just be patience and just finish the class before taking any further action. maybe its me not seeing the whole picture, like the girl might be playing some video on her phone very loudly, but I think the teacher should just ignore the girl and continue the lesson.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000158]"Justified" police brutality applied to child-rearing: toddler refusing to eat her veggies? Pick her up by the throat and fling her out the fucking window for not respecting your goddamn authority.[/QUOTE] You picked your nickname on this forum very carefuly, it seems.

[QUOTE=jason3232;49000904]nah I dont mean having the teacher 'physically' move the student out, but just ignore her and continue the lesson. I mean, the girl is focusing on her phone rather than the lesson, and not really disturbing the class right? yeah I know it might annoys the teacher, but a teacher should just be patience and just finish the class before taking any further action. maybe its me not seeing the whole picture, like the girl might be playing some video on her phone very loudly, but I think the teacher should just ignore the girl and continue the lesson.[/QUOTE] Yeah I can see that. They could have always just punished her after class or something like that, that's reasonable. Although, I think teachers are held accountable for enforcing school policy. Most schools I know of ban phone use during instruction, and I think that teachers will enforce that policy pretty vehemently in order to keep their jobs.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000158]"Justified" police brutality applied to child-rearing: toddler refusing to eat her veggies? Pick her up by the throat and fling her out the fucking window for not respecting your goddamn authority.[/QUOTE] Are you mentally ill or willingly this ignorant

Best solution: cuff to desk, ask for backup, have 2 or 3 cops move the whole desk into a van. I'd pay to see this.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;49000931]Are you mentally ill or willingly this ignorant[/QUOTE] But what else are you gonna do? If she won't eat her veggies on her own what else can you do! You haven't given me a single constructive suggestion on what to do if she won't eat her veggies, so what else can you do but pick her up by her throat and Frisbee her out an open window? She should be prepared to face the consequences of defying her parents' authority. You can't just quietly refuse to eat your veggies and expect one of your parents NOT to swing you around their head like a bag of soup before letting you soar out of an open kitchen window. So what else can you do? Parents had no choice if you ask me.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49000864]Yes, except for the disruption of the entire class session for the rest of the pupils due to this one students' misbehavior.[/QUOTE] I think that class session was way beyond saving as soon as the officer pulled her out of the desk and threw her across the room.

Does anyone know the actual extent of her injuries?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000961]But what else are you gonna do? If she won't eat her veggies on her own what else can you do! You haven't given me a single constructive suggestion on what to do if she won't eat her veggies, so what else can you do but pick her up by her throat and Frisbee her out an open window? She should be prepared to face the consequences of defying her parents' authority. You can't just quietly refuse to eat your veggies and expect one of your parents NOT to swing you around their head like a like a bag of soup before letting you soar out of an open kitchen window. So what else can you do? Parents had no choice if you ask me.[/QUOTE] The child refusing to eat vegetables doesn't have consequences for others like a classroom. Class had to be halted due to her refusal to comply with authority. Refusing to eat vegetables doesn't halt dinner.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49000999]The child refusing to eat vegetables doesn't have consequences for others like a classroom. Class had to be halted due to her refusal to comply with authority. Refusing to eat vegetables doesn't halt dinner.[/QUOTE] And doing what the officer did in this case solved that?

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49000999]The child refusing to eat vegetables doesn't have consequences for others like a classroom. Class had to be halted due to her refusal to comply with authority. Refusing to eat vegetables doesn't halt dinner.[/QUOTE] Was she obstructing class? Would violently manhandling her be a proper response if she [i]was[/i] obstructing class? Think before you post.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000961]But what else are you gonna do? If she won't eat her veggies on her own what else can you do! You haven't given me a single constructive suggestion on what to do if she won't eat her veggies, so what else can you do but pick her up by her throat and Frisbee her out an open window? She should be prepared to face the consequences of defying her parents' authority. You can't just quietly refuse to eat your veggies and expect one of your parents NOT to swing you around their head like a bag of soup before letting you soar out of an open kitchen window. So what else can you do? Parents had no choice if you ask me.[/QUOTE] I'm going the mentally ill route. Your analogy sucks and is not relatable to this situation

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49001007]And doing what the officer did in this case solved that?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying what the officer did helped the situation, but I'm pointing out how that analogy doesn't apply. It's a different scenario and environment entirely.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49000999]The child refusing to eat vegetables doesn't have consequences for others like a classroom. Class had to be halted due to her refusal to comply with authority. Refusing to eat vegetables doesn't halt dinner.[/QUOTE] What if her brother can't leave the table until they've both finished their meals. You consider that? Can we please just agree that a cop physically throwing a teenage girl across a classroom in front of all the other students for pouting that she got caught texting is, like, wildly inapprioriate? How is this even something people can argue about, haha. Like, let's take a poll, which is more disruptive to the class: 1) A girl quietly pouting after being asked to leave the classroom for texting. 2) A girl being flipped out of her desk, slammed to the ground, dragged across the floor, and literally thrown (as in fully airborne) to the front of the class, where an adult man jumps on her back and forces her into a pair of handcuffs while screaming at her?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001031]What if her brother can't leave the table until they've both finished their meals. You consider that? Can we please just agree that a cop physically throwing a teenage girl across a classroom in front of all the other students for pouting that she got caught texting is, like, wildly inapprioriate? How is this even something people can argue about, haha. Like, let's take a poll, which is more disruptive to the class: 1) A girl quietly pouting after being asked to leave the classroom for texting. 2) A girl being flipped out of her desk, slammed to the ground, dragged across the floor, and literally thrown (as in fully airborne) to the front of the class, where an adult man jumps on her back and forces her into a pair of handcuffs while screaming at her?[/QUOTE] I agree that it's inappropriate if the girl didn't assault the officer. There is an allegation that she did indeed hit the officer, and in that case the officer is justified. We simply don't know all of the facts, and we need to wait for more evidence.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000961]But what else are you gonna do? If she won't eat her veggies on her own what else can you do! You haven't given me a single constructive suggestion on what to do if she won't eat her veggies, so what else can you do but pick her up by her throat and Frisbee her out an open window? She should be prepared to face the consequences of defying her parents' authority. You can't just quietly refuse to eat your veggies and expect one of your parents NOT to swing you around their head like a bag of soup before letting you soar out of an open kitchen window. So what else can you do? Parents had no choice if you ask me.[/QUOTE] Not feed the baby? Sooner or later instincts will take over personal needs.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49001026]I'm not saying what the officer did helped the situation, but I'm pointing out how that analogy doesn't apply. It's a different scenario and environment entirely.[/QUOTE] No the analogy works because the fact that there were other classmates there is irrelevant in this situation.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49001046]No the analogy works because the fact that there were other classmates there is irrelevant in this situation.[/QUOTE] Why?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000961]But what else are you gonna do? If she won't eat her veggies on her own what else can you do! You haven't given me a single constructive suggestion on what to do if she won't eat her veggies, so what else can you do but pick her up by her throat and Frisbee her out an open window? She should be prepared to face the consequences of defying her parents' authority. You can't just quietly refuse to eat your veggies and expect one of your parents NOT to swing you around their head like a bag of soup before letting you soar out of an open kitchen window. So what else can you do? Parents had no choice if you ask me.[/QUOTE] You ground her until she complies, if it persists then you try other eating diets (getting a tasty veggie meal like a sandwich or perhaps an veggie taco). If it still continues, let them go into the night on an empty stomach. Also, BDA, why are you [B]ALWAYS[/B] blowing things out of proportion with your analogies, comparing a child not eating veggies to a student disrupting the classroom, hitting an officer, refusing to comply and even set bad examples for other students.

[QUOTE=BANNED 4EVER;49001064]You ground her until she complies, if it persists then you try other eating diets (getting a tasty veggie meal like a sandwich or perhaps an veggie taco). If it still continues, let them go into the night on an empty stomach. Also, BDA, why are you [B]ALWAYS[/B] blowing things out of proportion with your analogies, comparing a child not eating veggies to a student disrupting the classroom, hitting an officer, refusing to comply and even set bad examples for other students.[/QUOTE] Because he wants to take the moral high ground based entirely on emotional hyperbole.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49001046]No the analogy works because the fact that there were other classmates there is irrelevant in this situation.[/QUOTE] That's not the reason why the analogy doesn't work.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49001037]I agree that it's inappropriate if the girl didn't assault the officer. There is an allegation that she did indeed hit the officer, and in that case the officer is justified. We simply don't know all of the facts, and we need to wait for more evidence.[/QUOTE] I think it's safe to say the officer wasn't in any danger if he was attacked by a teenage girl acting out. He's supposed to be the reasonable adult; responding with completely disproportional violence is just fucked up.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49001054]Why?[/QUOTE] Because neither the hypothetical situation in which the parents respond with violence and this situation where the officer responds with violence are justified with or without a class/family being disrupted. It has no practical relevance, it changes nothing.

[QUOTE=jA_cOp;49001088]I think it's safe to say the officer wasn't in any danger if he was attacked by a teenage girl acting out. He's supposed to be the reasonable adult; responding with completely disproportional violence is just fucked up.[/QUOTE] Officers are justified to use physical force to meet physical force. Unless it's different for minors and I'm mistaken, he is within limits of the law provided that she did indeed assault him in the first place.

[QUOTE=jA_cOp;49001088]I think it's safe to say the officer wasn't in any danger if he was attacked by a teenage girl acting out. He's supposed to be the reasonable adult; responding with completely disproportional violence is just fucked up.[/QUOTE] That's not safe to say at all. Have you ever fought with a teenage girl.

[QUOTE=Fort83;49001090]Keep in mind her flipping out of her desk wasn't the direct fault of the officer, her foot got caught when he was lifting her out of the desk which caused it to flip. And him dragging her was to remove the desk from her. Can't exactly arrest someone while they are tangled up in a desk.[/QUOTE] How did the officer look at this situation and think her foot or some other part of her body would not be caught in the desk. Yeah you can't arrest someone tangled up in a desk so don't try?

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49001095]Because neither the hypothetical situation in which the parents respond with violence and this situation where the officer responds with violence are justified with or without a class/family being disrupted. It has no practical relevance, it changes nothing.[/QUOTE] The family can still eat when this is going on, but a class cannot be taught when the teacher is dealing with this issue.