Officer caught on video slamming student against the floor and dragging them across the room - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DaMastez;49000046]When words don't work, you can either do fuck all or get physical. Doing fuck all accomplishes nothing because it just leads to the mindset of "don't want to get punished, refuse to move". It's the same as those students who were protesting at a school that led to the pepper spraying thing because they refused to leave. The problem is the lack of respect for authority; not respect in the "traditional" sense mind, but in the sense the police are "the law" and you must obey lawful orders or you will be forced to do so. So yes, I will defend the police using (within limits mind) force to deal with people who refuse to comply with orders for whatever reason. The police have a job to do, making their job harder by resisting doesn't accomplish anything beyond putting yourself at risk.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it was the same as the students who were protesting then got pepper sprayed in the face by that now infamous officer who stood there spraying the shit in their eyes like a big man does to peaceful protesters. Do you think that helps your argument? That kind of blind always in favor of the police mindset is why they are nearly never punished and why this kind of shit is still acceptable. Honestly I dont think they are brutalizing more people these days, i just think its much more visible thanks to modern technology. But, it shouldn't be acceptable. [QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;49000168]In the video the officer never grabbed her by the throat. Why are you misinterpreting what we are saying to make us sound like monsters? No one ever said that if our toddler didn't want to eat veggie we should attack her. In that video is a high schooler. A young adult, probably like 16-18 years old. This is no where close to the example you just made.[/QUOTE] This has been said before on the same page as this comment. But yes, you guys are heartless, the only thing preventing you from being a monster is that we're just talking about it on the internet and you havent acted on it.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49000961]But what else are you gonna do? If she won't eat her veggies on her own what else can you do! You haven't given me a single constructive suggestion on what to do if she won't eat her veggies, so what else can you do but pick her up by her throat and Frisbee her out an open window? She should be prepared to face the consequences of defying her parents' authority. You can't just quietly refuse to eat your veggies and expect one of your parents NOT to swing you around their head like a bag of soup before letting you soar out of an open kitchen window. So what else can you do? Parents had no choice if you ask me.[/QUOTE] I agree with your point but the comparison is silly. In that situation you'd have her sit at the table for hours until she finally decides to eat them. This is a school environment and every minute you spend trying to get this student to cooperate is a minute wasted that you could've been spending teaching your students. Like I said I agree with your point. I just don't like the example.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49001106]The family can still eat when this is going on, but a class cannot be taught when the teacher is dealing with this issue.[/QUOTE] No analogy is 100% perfect, the point is what's important :v:

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49001121]No analogy is 100% perfect, the point is what's important :v:[/QUOTE] It's too bad the analogy is only 20% perfect. You're leaving out the possibility of the student assaulting the officer.

"Hitting the officer." The video doesn't show her hitting the officer, none of the students witnessed her hitting the officer, the teacher didn't state that she swung at the officer, and even the police haven't released any kind of statement that she swung on the officer do far as I'm aware. Now, if I missed that bit then please feel free to correct me, but otherwise the only people I'm seeing claim that she punched the officer are people in this thread, with the apparent NEED to have such an explanation. "Surely a cop, a paragon of incorruptible virtue who is no way capable of angry and violent outbursts, MUST have had a good reason for going all WWE on this teenage girl. Therefore, she punched him!"

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001130]"Hitting the officer." The video doesn't show her hitting the officer, none of the students witnessed her hitting the officer, the teacher didn't state that she swung at the officer, and even the police haven't released any kind of statement that she swung on the officer do far as I'm aware. Now, I missed that bit then please feel free to correct me, but otherwise the only people I'm seeing claim that she punched the officer are people in this thread, with the apparent NEED to have such an explanation. "Surely a cop, a paragon of incorruptible virtue who is no way capable of angry and violent outbursts, MUST have had a good reason for going all WWE on this teenage girl. Therefore, she punched him!"[/QUOTE] Exactly. We need to wait and see more evidence and additional testimonies. We can't tell if she hit the officer or not, and there is a storm of emotion and controversy surrounding this issue. We can't make judgements based only on assumptions.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49000876]Liability. A teacher can lose his or her job for getting physically involved like this. If the student won't leave, there's little else we can do to resolve the situation. The school can suspend the student, but how do they get her out of the classroom if she won't leave on her own accord?[/QUOTE] Nothing. This is very easy. just do nothing, and remind them they will be punished with suspension if they refuse to leave. Only a barbarian would think violence is the only option in this situation.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001031]What if her brother can't leave the table until they've both finished their meals. You consider that? Can we please just agree that a cop physically throwing a teenage girl across a classroom in front of all the other students for pouting that she got caught texting is, like, wildly inapprioriate? How is this even something people can argue about, haha. Like, let's take a poll, which is more disruptive to the class: 1) A girl quietly pouting after being asked to leave the classroom for texting. 2) A girl being flipped out of her desk, slammed to the ground, dragged across the floor, and literally thrown (as in fully airborne) to the front of the class, where an adult man jumps on her back and forces her into a pair of handcuffs while screaming at her?[/QUOTE] You word it like he picked her up and slam dunked her across the class room I'd hardly call it throwing.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;49001141]Nothing. This is very easy. just do nothing, and remind them they will be punished with suspension if they refuse to leave. Only a barbarian would think violence is the only option in this situation.[/QUOTE] Are they supposed to leave her in that classroom through each hour in every consecutive class? Will they let her stay after closure? Where does it end? Sometimes there is no option but to use force to remove someone. This situation definitely could have been handled better, but most peaceful solutions rely on the student complying.

[QUOTE=BANNED 4EVER;49001064]You ground her until she complies, if it persists then you try other eating diets (getting a tasty veggie meal like a sandwich or perhaps an veggie taco). If it still continues, let them go into the night on an empty stomach. Also, BDA, why are you [B]ALWAYS[/B] blowing things out of proportion with your analogies, comparing a child not eating veggies to a student disrupting the classroom, hitting an officer, refusing to comply and even set bad examples for other students.[/QUOTE] Because it's incredibly funny to me. The absurdity of the lengths that people will go to in order to defend obvious police brutality in the face of overwhelming evidence is so damn amusing and frustrating that I just can't help but spotlight the ridiculousness of the situation with a silly and satiric claim. I do this often only because I see such absurdity of reason so often. I can't help but laugh. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=dragon1972;49001139]Exactly. We need to wait and see more evidence and additional testimonies. We can't tell if she hit the officer or not, and there is a storm of emotion and controversy surrounding this issue. We can't make judgements based only on assumptions.[/QUOTE] We can actively watch her not punching the officer, though...

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001165]Because it's incredibly funny to me. The absurdity of the lengths that people will go to in order to defend obvious police brutality in the face of overwhelming evidence is so damn amusing and frustrating that I just can't help but spotlight the ridiculousness of the situation with a silly and satiric claim. I do this often only because I see such absurdity of reason so often. I can't help but laugh.[/QUOTE] Why is it absurd to be skeptical? We still don't have much evidence. We only have a few statements from students over twitter and a ten second cell phone video. It's honestly hard to tell if she punched him or not through the videos as well.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49001164]Are they supposed to leave her in that classroom through each hour in every consecutive class? Will they let her stay after closure? Where does it end? Sometimes there is no option but to use force to remove someone. This situation definitely could have been handled better, but most peaceful solutions rely on the student complying.[/QUOTE] You're seriously assuming she wouldn't leave the classroom for hours?

[QUOTE=duckmaster;49001150]You word it like he picked her up and slam dunked her across the class room I'd hardly call it throwing.[/QUOTE] He picked her up swung his arms, released her, and sent her soaring several feet with no part of her body touching the ground, so I would personally call that a "throw," yeah. We could use a more playful sounding term if you don't like the connotation. Maybe "tossed," or "skipped?"

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;49001191]You're seriously assuming she wouldn't leave the classroom for hours?[/QUOTE] I agree she would leave eventually. The question is whether waiting for her to leave is worth the disruption it could cause to future classes in that room. Additionally, the teacher is held accountable for upholding school policy. He or she can't just ignore a student violating school policy.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49001222]I agree she would leave eventually. The question is whether waiting for her to leave is worth the disruption it could cause to future classes in that room.[/QUOTE] "What's absurd about this?" He asks, whIle implying that when the brutalized teenage girl refused to go sit in the hall, she was actually implying that she was going to stay in that classroom for the next several hours, possibly even days.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001204]He picked her up swung his arms, released her, and sent her soaring several feet with no part of her body touching the ground, so I would personally call that a "throw," yeah. We could use a more playful sounding term if you don't like the connotation. Maybe "tossed," or "skipped?"[/QUOTE] Are we watching a different video or what?

It's not a throw, it's a tactical aerial repositioning using applied kinetic energy. That's just boilerplate standard operating procedure for dealing with teenage girls, really.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001246]"What's absurd about this?" He asks, whIle implying that when the brutalized teenage girl refused to go sit in the hall, she was actually implying that she was going to stay in that classroom for the next several hours, possibly even days.[/QUOTE] I thought we were arguing about the option of ignoring the girl using her cell phone as a potential alternative to involving law enforcement, but it's all to easy for you to pull the poor little girl card. You're misrepresenting my statements by associating them with things I was not arguing about. When I asked if I was being absurd I was stating that I don't completely know if I can vilify the officer based on only a miniscule amount of evidence.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001263]It's not a throw, it's a tactical aerial repositioning using applied kinetic energy.[/QUOTE] Let's argue about how your analogies and choice of wording are bad, because wether or not what the cop did was justifiable - which is what this discussion is about - depends on this and not the actual points you're making.

[QUOTE=dragon1972;49001270]I thought we were arguing about the option of ignoring the girl using her cell phone as a potential alternative to involving law enforcement, but it's all to easy for you to pull the poor little girl card.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but you just told us that this girl could have intended to camp out in this classroom for the entire night, and possibly for all time, based on her refusing to sit in the hall and miss class. The error here ain't with me, haha. Literally cackling right now. I am sitting in my car in the parking lot on my lunch break howling with laugher that you would seriously make this implication.

Basically the girl didn't comply so she's in the wrong. And the cop is also in the wrong for using excessive force. Can we shut up about this now. The girl got what was coming but the cop was way too excessive.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001306]I'm sorry, but you just told us that this girl probably intended to camp out in this classroom for the entire night, and possibly for all time, based on her refusing to sit in the hall and miss class. The error here ain't with me, haha.[/QUOTE] I was assessing the possibility of the teacher ignoring the girl's cell phone use as an alternative to involving police or administrator action. You're focusing too myopically on a hypothetical example that I gave as to why that isn't the greatest option.

[QUOTE=redBadger;49001322]Basically the girl didn't comply so she's in the wrong. And the cop is also in the wrong for using excessive force. Can we shut up about this now. The girl got what was coming but the cop was way too excessive.[/QUOTE] The cop being "way too excessive" and "the girl [getting] what was coming [to her]" aren't contradictory statements in your mind?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001263]It's not a throw, it's a tactical aerial repositioning using applied kinetic energy. That's just boilerplate standard operating procedure for dealing with teenage girls, really.[/QUOTE] Why is it okay for moderators to troll which is breach of rules? At this point it's just shitposting on your end.

Why is BDA a mod ? All he does is whine and cry then ban people for dissenting opinions [highlight](User was banned for this post ("I also ban people for going on off topic whinge-fests" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

The issue I see here isn't that she resisted, it's that she was being ARRESTED for not going to the office for being a little shit. This stuff happens all the time in the age of zero tolerance policies. Why would you have the police get involved over someone not listening to disciplinary action when you can call her parents and have them chew her out, rather than give her an arrest record over nothing. Her dad could've showed up, told her to get her ass out of the desk, and if she refused, he could grab her and rip her out of the desk. Schools are calling the cops on asshole kids and destroying their lives rather than calling their parents as it used to happen only a few years ago. Now we have 16 year olds in jail/on probation for shit-talking (verbal assault in today's law) to their teachers. There's people getting misdemeanor charges for disturbing the peace for being loud and obnoxious in class. It's bullshit that's going too far. And if you think those arrests will disappear off of your record as soon as you turn 18, nope. You need to have a lawyer petition a judge to bury those arrests, which costs money. This particular girl was under arrest for disturbing the school, as said by the officer himself. If anyone here thinks that this is the right way to handle such a situation, then I hope to never see you as a school board member. I would make certain that any children I have in the future never end up in your district.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001349]The cop being "way too excessive" and "the girl [getting] what was coming [to her]" aren't contradictory statements in your mind?[/QUOTE] No, she "got what was coming to her" in getting removed from the class for disciplinary action. The cops actions were too excessive regardless. Both parties are in the wrong, but let's defend the child because she's a young [B]BLACK[/B] girl who was assaulted by a [B]WHITE[/B] cop.

[QUOTE=redBadger;49001373]No, she "got what was coming to her" in getting removed from the class for disciplinary action. The cops actions were too excessive regardless. Both parties are in the wrong, but let's defend the child because she's a young [B]BLACK[/B] girl who was assaulted by a [B]WHITE[/B] cop.[/QUOTE] I never once mentioned race here, yo. I am upset because of his excessive use of force against a kid, not because of the racial aspects.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001389]I never once mentioned race here, yo. I am upset because of his excessive use of force against a kid, not because of the racial aspects.[/QUOTE] I know. My point was directed towards the reactions on social media.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49001354]Why is it okay for moderators to troll which is breach of rules? At this point it's just shitposting on your end.[/QUOTE] Lol if you think I'm "shitposting" then report me. If the other mods agree then they'll deal with it. I don't have immunity on account of being a moderator. Now stay on topic instead of just expressing how upset you are that I am moderator or I will ban you. You can go moan about my user status in the proper places for moaning, which this ain't.