Officer caught on video slamming student against the floor and dragging them across the room - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001402]Lol if you think I'm "shitposting" then report me. If the other mods agree then they'll deal with it. I don't have immunity on account of being a moderator. Now stay on topic instead of just expressing how upset you are that I am moderator or I will ban you. You can go moan about my user status in the proper places for moaning, which this ain't.[/QUOTE] I believe you are shitposting, but I really dont care [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply? / Off topic" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

Yeah, the cop I can agree was a bit excessive for flipping that whole desk over and dragging her, but the girl had just escalated the problem by resisting. A good rule of thumb is to put a officer's orders above anything else wether agreeable or not. Take the fight of excessive force or abuse of power to the courtroom.

[QUOTE=zombini;49001369]The issue I see here isn't that she resisted, it's that she was being ARRESTED for not going to the office for being a little shit. This stuff happens all the time in the age of zero tolerance policies. Why would you have the police get involved over someone not listening to disciplinary action when you can call her parents and have them chew her out, rather than give her an arrest record over nothing. Her dad could've showed up, told her to get her ass out of the desk, and if she refused, he could grab her and rip her out of the desk. Schools are calling the cops on asshole kids and destroying their lives rather than calling their parents as it used to happen only a few years ago. Now we have 16 year olds in jail/on probation for shit-talking (verbal assault in today's law) to their teachers. There's people getting misdemeanor charges for disturbing the peace for being loud and obnoxious in class. It's bullshit that's going too far. And if you think those arrests will disappear off of your record as soon as you turn 18, nope. You need to have a lawyer petition a judge to bury those arrests, which costs money. This particular girl was under arrest for disturbing the school, as said by the officer himself. If anyone here thinks that this is the right way to handle such a situation, then I hope to never see you as a school board member. I would make certain that any children I have in the future never end up in your district.[/QUOTE] The issue isnt the law, the issue is the parents. Raise your fucking kids right and they won't find themselves in juvie. Simple.

What I don't get is why the cop had to upend the girl and the desk. She's a teenage girl, they're not that heavy. Just pull her out of the desk calmly and remove her from the room, don't throw her halfway across it.

Officer has been fired fyi

Well then that settles it. I guess he was indeed in violation of police procedure.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;49001437]Officer has been fired fyi[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/28/452501995/s-c-sheriff-will-decide-deputy-s-future-with-department?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2053"]Source [/URL]for anyone who wants it The scumfuck got fired, and rightfully so.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;49001421]The issue isnt the law, the issue is the parents. Raise your fucking kids right and they won't find themselves in juvie. Simple.[/QUOTE] Do you have children? If not, then have you been around kids around 12-16 for extended periods of time? You'll know that simply "raising your fucking kids right" does not automatically mean they're gonna be 100% respectful, amazing angels of society. The way schools are set up now, one instance of anger or frustration with a teacher is the potential for a criminal record. In the past, you'd get your wrist slapped and your ass put in detention or sent home. You can't possibly believe that a kid raised "right" isn't going to have an outburst in which they'd yell at a teacher, ever. Also define "raised right" for me. Is it "a well-mannered family loving child" or "an authority-fearing oppressed youth?" At this rate, the latter is going to be the norm.

[QUOTE=Fort83;49001439]Her foot caught the desk which caused it to flip, he didn't grab the desk and flip her. He wasn't even touching the desk he was holding onto her.[/QUOTE] I'm in the same type of desk he is thought not have flipped over on purpose, but I say that is completely incorrect, she can be slid out of it from the side of the desk, there is an opening on the other side of the desk, but I see direction of force going upwards in the video.

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;49001463][URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/28/452501995/s-c-sheriff-will-decide-deputy-s-future-with-department?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2053"]Source [/URL]for anyone who wants it The scumfuck got fired, and rightfully so.[/QUOTE] Serves him right, I hope he faces a criminal investigation as well.

[QUOTE=lolo;49001580]I'm in the same type of desk he is thought not have flipped over on purpose, but I say that is completely incorrect, she can be slid out of it from the side of the desk, there is an opening on the other side of the desk, but I see direction of force going upwards in the video.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.wistv.com/clip/11950719/raw-video-of-confrontation-between-student-and-sro?clienttype=generic]Looks like he tried to pull her out to the side first but almost got an elbow for his troubles.[/url] Still excessive

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;49001463][URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/28/452501995/s-c-sheriff-will-decide-deputy-s-future-with-department?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2053"]Source [/URL]for anyone who wants it The scumfuck got fired, and rightfully so.[/QUOTE] Ah yes, another one of these experts on what he shouldn't have done.

For anyone that wants to know what should have been done instead: Bringing police into this has given her the attention she wanted in the first place, has ignited the race debate (which it shouldn't have but that's the state the US is in right now) and has probably caused the other students to sympathize with the girl. IMO she should have been told to leave the class first, principle should be called next along with parents. Whilst the principle is being called, the teacher should resume the lesson to make sure those who want to learn can continue. If the student still refuses to move after all of this she should be ignored for the rest of the lesson so ensure she doesn't receive the attention she wants. Once the lesson is over she can be punished more harshly than if she'd had just went with the principle, maybe suspension or whatever you have in the US. Whatever social support the school has should also be utilized to figure out why she might have caused the trouble (eg. struggling with work, bad home life, etc.)

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49001622]Ah yes, another one of these experts on what he shouldn't have done.[/QUOTE] You talking about the sheriff, his boss, who said, verbatim, "he should not have thrown the girl?"

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;49001463][URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/10/28/452501995/s-c-sheriff-will-decide-deputy-s-future-with-department?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2053"]Source [/URL]for anyone who wants it The scumfuck got fired, and rightfully so.[/QUOTE] Even with the police department itself admitting it was excessive I'm sure people will continue to defend him.

[QUOTE=Mechanical43;48998383]okay what the FUCK is wrong with all of you saying that was in any way excusable. feels more and more like fox news comments around here[/QUOTE] A cops job isn't to be your fucking buddy. If they give you an order, don't argue with it. That can be done later, just listen and deal with it later. That said, force was on the excessive side.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001716]You talking about the sheriff, his boss, who said, verbatim, "he should not have thrown the girl?"[/QUOTE] Think about what I wrote for a second.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001306]I'm sorry, but you just told us that this girl could have intended to camp out in this classroom for the entire night, and possibly for all time, based on her refusing to sit in the hall and miss class. The error here ain't with me, haha. Literally cackling right now. I am sitting in my car in the parking lot on my lunch break howling with laugher that you would seriously make this implication.[/QUOTE] It's pretty sad how you are literally incapable of understanding a hyperbolic example when other people do it ('Will they let her stay after closure? Where does it end?') after you've been making a shitposty analogy about throwing a toddler out the fucking window for refusing to eat vegetables. That's on top of continuously and deliberately misrepresenting damn near anything anyone has said to you. Someone says they don't see it the way you do, [i]clearly[/i] they're defending the use of judo against children as SOP. Someone says it's a bad idea to physically fight back against a cop, [i]clearly[/i] they're a police brutality and rape apologist. A++ trolling right there. I didn't even disagree with much of anything you're saying, this cop was clearly in the wrong, but you are being such a colossal prick that I almost want to disagree with you just on principle.

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49001622]Ah yes, another one of these experts on what he shouldn't have done.[/QUOTE] What are you even trying to say lol

The cop got fired btw

[QUOTE=catbarf;49001735]It's pretty sad how you are literally incapable of understanding a hyperbolic example when other people do it ('Will they let her stay after closure? Where does it end?') after you've been making a shitposty analogy about throwing a toddler out the fucking window for refusing to eat vegetables. That's on top of continuously and deliberately misrepresenting damn near anything anyone has said to you. Someone says they don't see it the way you do, [i]clearly[/i] they're defending the use of judo against children as SOP. Someone says it's a bad idea to physically fight back against a cop, [i]clearly[/i] they're a police brutality and rape apologist. A++ trolling right there. I didn't even disagree with much of anything you're saying, this cop was clearly in the wrong, but you are being such a colossal prick that I almost want to disagree with you just on principle.[/QUOTE] yeah, i agree cop was in the wrong, but damn, bda has a huge cop hate boner i remember'ed he closed this thread instantly about a cop getting a nice message [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1485665[/url] yet a similar thread stays up [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1417731[/url]

The officer was fired. He broke his training. If you support the officer, just realize that not even the police trainers agree with it

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;49001923]What are you even trying to say lol[/QUOTE] It easy to say "You shouldn't have done that". I'm sure even the guy realized that in hindsight. I've yet to read about how he should've handled the situation.

[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;48998685]If a parent did that to their child, they would be arrested. The girl didn't do anything, she wasn't being violent, nor did she even lift a finger. Yet another Yankee officer on "paid leave" for assault. It also turns out that the same officer assaulted a black man who came home from the military and emptied a whole can of pepper spray in his eyes.[/QUOTE] She hit him you fucking knobhead Don't comply, and the officer is going to do anything they have to to do their job. They are required to do their job, by law. If the only way to get someone out of a chair is to pull them out by force, that's the only way. Citizens know they legally have to listen to cops, and when they don't, they should expect any necessary use of force to make themselves comply. No level of conjecture is going to change this. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49001306]I'm sorry, but you just told us that this girl could have intended to camp out in this classroom for the entire night, and possibly for all time, based on her refusing to sit in the hall and miss class. The error here ain't with me, haha. Literally cackling right now. I am sitting in my car in the parking lot on my lunch break howling with laugher that you would seriously make this implication.[/QUOTE] right now i'm imagining how pathetic that looks [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49002072]I've yet to read about how he should've handled the situation.[/QUOTE] The police shouldn't have been called in the first place and the police officer should have seen that there was no danger or risk towards students or staff and told the teacher to fuck off and do his job properly. See my post on the last page for what I believe the teacher should have done: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1491432&p=49001673&viewfull=1#post49001673[/url]

[QUOTE=leontodd;49002160]The police shouldn't have been called in the first place and the police officer should have seen that there was no danger or risk towards students or staff and told the teacher to fuck off and do his job properly. See my post on the last page for what I believe the teacher should have done: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1491432&p=49001673&viewfull=1#post49001673[/url][/QUOTE] Yes, the teachers. But what about the officer?

[QUOTE=Ragekipz;49002206]Yes, the teachers. But what about the officer?[/QUOTE] It says in the post: [QUOTE=leontodd;49002160]the police officer should have seen that there was no danger or risk towards students or staff and told the teacher to fuck off and do his job properly.[/QUOTE] I don't see why any of this is the officers responsibility in the first place, or why he believes it is.

[QUOTE=pgr2gamer;49002025]yeah, i agree cop was in the wrong, but damn, bda has a huge cop hate boner i remember'ed he closed this thread instantly about a cop getting a nice message [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1485665[/url] yet a similar thread stays up [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1417731[/url][/QUOTE] I have no beef with cops, I have beef with the idea that cops can do no wrong. I am fully supportive of police in a general sense. My criticisms are over the frequent lack of accountability for the few bad apples among the bunch, and with the policies and practices that damn low income areas and/or minorities. Pick out the bad apples and update the policies, and I'm quite content. Actually, I'm very happy with what I've seen from the government in response to updating police equipment and policies over the last year! Body cameras are a godsend, the DOJ's investigation into the Ferguson PD has changed life for the better for our city, and we're seeing more outcry than ever in response to clear cut cases of brutality, like that seen here. Now Officer Fields is fired and that police department is stronger and more respectable for it. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] Also, I don't even think I was a moderator when that second thread you linked to was made? I was made a mod in January, I believe.

I'm so sad I missed this thread - this is such a blatant display of excessive force, and I'm so incredibly proud of the PD for taking action so quickly and firing the officer.

Damn you sound pretty proud