Dylann Roof, Charleston Church Shooter, Speaks at Trial: "There's nothing wrong with me[...]" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sgman91;51627888]I fully support the death penalty for him. He's a despicable person who deserves to lose his life as a just punishment for his actions.[/QUOTE] Aside from the fact that thats not at all what justice is, or should be, killing him is just going to make him a Martyr for his cause.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51630069]Aside from the fact that thats not at all what justice is, or should be, killing him is just going to make him a Martyr for his cause.[/QUOTE] not really, i have yet to see anyone actually praising this kid for what he did and what he claims to stand for now.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51630069]Aside from the fact that thats not at all what justice is, or should be, killing him is just going to make him a Martyr for his cause.[/QUOTE] Who are you to tell me what justice is?

[QUOTE=Pops;51630126]not really, i have yet to see anyone actually praising this kid for what he did and what he claims to stand for now.[/QUOTE] Ever hear about the reports that the Boston Bomber had teen fans? It IS possible, but hopefully never sees the light of day. Its crazy to think people are saying he's faking that speech. I dunno, if we live in a world where people like Charles Manson exist, than this man who says he's in the total right killing non-whites in a church can exist too.

[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;51630165]Ever hear about the reports that the Boston Bomber had teen fans? It IS possible, but hopefully never sees the light of day. Its crazy to think people are saying he's faking that speech. I dunno, if we live in a world where people like Charles Manson exist, than this man who says he's in the total right killing non-whites in a church can exist too.[/QUOTE] yeah, people thought he was attractive and rolling stone went as far as to put him on their cover. dylan roof sure as shit has not had the same treatment.

[QUOTE=Pops;51630126]not really, i have yet to see anyone actually praising this kid for what he did and what he claims to stand for now.[/QUOTE] You're probably not going to see people talk in public about how happy they are to see ethnic minorities being murdered. But I'm sure the people at Stormfront and the like are elated to have people like Dyalnn and Brevik around. [QUOTE=sgman91;51630133]Who are you to tell me what justice is?[/QUOTE] The moral police, apparently. [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Pops;51630175]yeah, people thought he was attractive and rolling stone went as far as to put him on their cover. dylan roof sure as shit has not had the same treatment.[/QUOTE] That you know of. The internet is chock full of fringe groups that would praise Dylann Roof.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51630176]You're probably not going to see people talk in public about how happy they are to see ethnic minorities being murdered. But I'm sure the people at Stormfront and the like are elated to have people like Dyalnn and Brevik around. The moral police, apparently. [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] That you know of. The internet is chock full of fringe groups that would praise Dylann Roof.[/QUOTE] going by this thread, nah. they are quite aware of what he did, and are not praising him for it, but seem insistent on the idea that what led roof to committing his act is noticed (the rise of black-on-white crime), and that roof gets a fair trial. [url]https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1188304/[/url]

It's difficult to get a fair trial if you don't have a lawyer.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51630268]It's difficult to get a fair trial if you don't have a lawyer.[/QUOTE] well that's roof's fault.

[QUOTE=Pops;51630280]well that's roof's fault.[/QUOTE] It's clearly because he's mentally deficient.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51630325]It's clearly because he's mentally deficient.[/QUOTE] Why is that clear? It's a false assumption that all evil people are mentally disturbed. Sane people have done most of the greatest evils in our world.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51630443]Why is that clear? It's a false assumption that all evil people are mentally disturbed. Sane people have done most of the greatest evils in our world.[/QUOTE] Take a 2 second glance at his manifesto

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51630523]Take a 2 second glance at his manifesto[/QUOTE] Are you talking about this one: [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/13/universal/document-Dylann-Roof-manifesto.html[/URL] If so, then it establishes his sanity even more. He takes a very reasoned (although disgusting in my opinion) approach. It reads more like a Nazi sympathizing college freshman than a rambling crazy manifesto.

It's a little bit difficult to judge because of how short it is though, just 5 pages. It could even be deliberately written so-as to not cast him as an insane person, but as a bit of propaganda meant to make him look just to whomever comes across it and is remotely sympathetic to those ideas. Elliot rodger for a contrasting example gave us a whole 150 or so pages, and a lot of it went along those sort of "reasoned" lines as he goes through basically his whole life and motivations, but at many parts were very blatant tells of psychopathy.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51630634]It's a little bit difficult to judge because of how short it is though, just 5 pages. It could even be deliberately written so-as to not cast him as an insane person, but as a bit of propaganda meant to make him look just to whomever comes across it and is remotely sympathetic to those ideas. Elliot rodger for a contrasting example gave us a whole 150 or so pages, and a lot of it went along those sort of "reasoned" lines as he goes through basically his whole life and motivations, but at many parts were very blatant tells of psychopathy.[/QUOTE] That's fine, but there needs to be more to establish his insanity than what might exist.

I don't think he's insane, but I think he's exceptionally naive due to his age. He was 21 at the time of the shooting, and while that's "an adult", it's still a very, very young and inexperienced with the world adult.

you know not all mass killers are socio/psychopaths or mentally defunct in any way. There is a thing called conscious evil.

Lot of people in here without degrees diagnosing him with various mental disorders.

[QUOTE=TestECull;51627371]What a piece of shit, a textbook example of a person that rehab will never work for. Life without parole, kill him, launch him into deep space on a one way research mission covering the effects of spaceflight on the human body, whatever it takes to keep him off the street is fine with me.[/QUOTE] ah yes, thank you for your insight Doctor. clearly this delusional man who has a history of signs of mental illness (maybe do a little research) and drug use should not receive any mental health treatment.

[QUOTE=General J;51630721]you know not all mass killers are socio/psychopaths or mentally defunct in any way. There is a thing called conscious evil.[/QUOTE] That's basically what his manifesto says.

[QUOTE=General J;51630721]you know not all mass killers are socio/psychopaths or mentally defunct in any way. There is a thing called conscious evil.[/QUOTE] Whether evil exists is a moral debate, not a mental one.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51631896]If you believe black people are a threat to the white race, isn't that pretty darn loony?[/QUOTE] Being a bigoted idiot isn't a mental illness

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51631996]Then why do people feel that way?[/QUOTE] A variety of reasons, though usually it's either they get taught those bigoted beliefs from a young age and grow up with those beliefs, or, the more likely case, they know little about genetics and science overall and are presented bullshit science that tells them the color of your skin negatively effects your personality, behavior, etc. It's the reason why groups like the [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Policy_Institute"]NPI[/URL] still exist.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51631896]If you believe black people are a threat to the white race, isn't that pretty darn loony?[/QUOTE] Don't misinterpret ignorance and uneducated as insanity. I'm fairly certain he's perfectly sane, but extremely ignorant and uneducated, which unfortunately resulted in his deadly actions. Because of this, I do not support the "he's beyond help, let's just kill him" mentality. If we can de-nazify thousands of German POWs in WWII, then I do not think it's a lost cause to get his head right. However, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be "left off the hook" and given a lighter sentence, he definitely should spend a large portion of his life - if not all of it - in prison.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51631896]If you believe black people are a threat to the white race, isn't that pretty darn loony?[/QUOTE] Why not just take it to the logical conclusion of that thought and ask "If you believe murder is something you should do isn't that pretty darn loony?" At what point are you just associating any kind of crime or otherwise as mental illness .

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51632162]Oh yeah, for a moment I forgot people can be just fucking stupid. Was trying to put me in their shoes, but I wouldn't exactly fit. [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] slippery slope[/QUOTE] If you're equating racially motivated murders as definite proof of a mental disorder why would you not equate regular murders with mental disorders. You need to unbookmark the logical fallacies page, you're not using or understanding them correctly.