• Teenager Killed His Parents Because They Took His iPod Away
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threads like this turn up every now and then and I never really understand the titles. He killed his parents because of some mental issue or disorder. Taking away his iPod was a simple catalyst and honestly anything could've been that catalyst depending on what mental issue he has [editline]hi[/editline] [QUOTE=Fausty;44946185]Would be nice if you and Cructo would stop shitting all over the thread.[/QUOTE] disagreeing with you isn't shitting up a thread. personally I agree with cructo that he could probably be rehabilitated.
[QUOTE=Abrown516;44947592][img]http://i.imgur.com/n1a9bbm.png[/img][/QUOTE] A word without meaning, we must give it a meaning. We need a word that's the opposite of virgin.
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;44947631]A word without meaning, we must give it a meaning. We need a word that's the opposite of virgin.[/QUOTE] and then not use it
[QUOTE=Wingz;44947639]and then not use it[/QUOTE] Let me edit my post [QUOTE=thelurker1234;44947631]A word without meaning, Y'all must give it a meaning. Y'all need a word that's the opposite of virgin.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AJ10017;44945521]Hes the ripper obviously. But seriously this kid is fucking insane and needs to be locked away forever (or executed)[/QUOTE] Instead of showing how uncivilized you are, someone should maybe listen to them, and try to understand how can things like that can happen. [video=youtube;qM_WuQdg-sY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM_WuQdg-sY[/video] Oh, and try to understand why things like that only happend in the USA. [editline] now[/editline] Rated dumb by Americans only. Not a big surprise.
[QUOTE=Cructo;44946019]are you saying there are people beyond salvation? preposterous what happened to human rights[/QUOTE] In harsh reality there is no human rights only human privileges.
[QUOTE=ExtReMLapin;44947763]Instead of showing how uncivilized you are, someone should maybe listen to them, and try to understand how can things like that can happen. [Snipped video] Oh, and try to understand why things like that only happend in the USA.[/QUOTE] They did listen to him, he plead guilty, and that he didnt remember what he did other than he was very angry, he has an obvious mental condition. We dont know yet of his past with his family or whether or not he was abused. But given what we know so far he should recieve help for his condition and be kept away for the safety of others. Is it uncivilized to keep dangerous people from endangering other people's lives?
[QUOTE=AJ10017;44947844]They did listen to him, he plead guilty, and that he didnt remember what he did other than he was very angry, he has an obvious mental condition. Is it uncivilized to keep dangerous people from endangering other people's lives?[/QUOTE] Just send him in a psychiatric hospital then. It's not like he was the devil's son.
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;44947469]I'm surprised people are unironically suggesting the kid be executed or locked up forever.[/QUOTE] he certainly deserves to be locked until he can be rehabilitated, and that could take a long time... because, killing your parents in such a brutal and gruesome way... jesus
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;44948013]he certainly deserves to be locked until he can be rehabilitated, and that could take a long time... because, killing your parents in such a brutal and gruesome way... jesus[/QUOTE] Yeah but it's also pretty wrong to simply write him off as a monster, especially without knowing all the details of his life. Suggesting the death penalty just seems so backwards.
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;44947144]Even a guy that would probably beat his ex to death for dumping him?[/QUOTE] i don't think we should decide who lives and dies even if they do horrible despicable things, putting the power in the hands of anyone to take away rights or kill people is vile and horrible. it's just somehow sanctioned when it's against murderers. it's hypocritical and pretty stupid.
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;44947569]Yes, he's still a human and he has human rights; but doing something like this should at least have an impact on said rights. I'm not saying locking away forever or killing him is justifiable in the least, but committing an act of violence on this level should be met with equally permanent retribution. What punishment that will be is in others' hands, not mine.[/QUOTE] I question though, if locking him away or killing him isn't justified to you, then what is an equally permanent retribution for him? This is an honest question, I can't think of anything else that would be permanent without it being execution or a lifetime in prison. And I don't disagree he should be punished for his actions or anything, I just think those people suggesting execution are barbaric fools, and the lifetime in prison strikes me as intensely harsh for such a young person. Other people have murdered for other reasons, though admittedly not as petty as losing an iPod, but have gotten out of prison eventually to rejoin society. Whether prison will change him as a person, I can't say. But writing him off straight away as a lost cause is absurd.
people dont just do this stuff for no reason. Parents control the lives of their kids, its probable that "taking an ipod away" was just the last straw on some bigger series of issues. In this instance, if he was working his ass of to be an honor roll student for his parents and then they punish him (as said in the article) or maybe they just continually push him too far to this point... its not like we know what his home life is like. I think making a spectacle of this is stupid, the way this article plays it. Not saying it was the parents fault. It is a viable possibility, however.
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;44948105]I question though, if locking him away or killing him isn't justified to you, then what is an equally permanent retribution for him? This is an honest question, I can't think of anything else that would be permanent without it being execution or a lifetime in prison.[/QUOTE] Sadly, I'm not even sure what it should be. Closest thing would probably end up being more long-term than permanent. Perhaps extended institutionalization/observation. Something to keep tabs on people like this without encroaching onto the territories of "big brother is watching and will never forget". Shit, it's a lot harder thinking of a solution besides 'life in prison/kill the monster', but it's nice to think humanely once in a while.
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;44948664]Sadly, I'm not even sure what it should be. Closest thing would probably end up being more long-term than permanent. Perhaps extended institutionalization/observation. Something to keep tabs on people like this without encroaching onto the territories of "big brother is watching and will never forget". Shit, it's a lot harder thinking of a solution besides 'life in prison/kill the monster', but it's nice to think humanely once in a while.[/QUOTE] Life in prison with a [I]possibility of parole[/I] or be deemed insane in which you are at the will of government doctors. I'd take life in prison. Especially when he can outlive the 40 years behind bars.
Man, imagine something popping out of your vagina and kills you because you took its ipod.
I think you guys are imagining this kid as a down-to-earth fellow who weighed out the pros and cons of bludgeoning both his parents over an iPod. That's not the case. It wasn't the iPod at all, it's the fact that the kid is clearly beyond insane. Not entitled or spoilt, but batshit crazy. That doesn't mean he can't be rehabilitated and it certainly doesn't mean he should be killed or locked up forever, come on people. Obviously if he literally level-headedly killed his own parents because they took his iPod, then fine, lock him up forever. But it doesn't add up that someone whose only problem is being a spoilt dickhead would murder their own parents...
[QUOTE=Cructo;44945549]killing a kid is going to solve everything he needs to be rehabilitated and reintegrated into society[/QUOTE] 80 People who would see this kid sent to the electric chair. Send him for a long as fuck time into jail, sure i can understand but holy fuck im gonna go and find my bottle of scotch. This guy needs help, not a bullet to the brain. You'd see decades of this kid's life cut off without a single doubt of rehabilitation. That Kid will be demonized for the rest of his life. Don't judge me if i pity the poor son of a bitch for dooming himself to such a irreparable fate in such a awe inspiring fuckstorm of a way, he fucking 1-up'd in stupid ways to condemn yourself to a life of oblivion. This will no doubt haunt him for the rest of his fucking life and you want to end his life. Maybe Execution is more Humane for the mind then the Life Sentence. I can see the point. It depresses me that it has to end this way, i consider any other option above a Execution but it is legitimate. I don't like to see things end on such a somber note on things that were so stupid.
Sometimes I get confused when so many FPers say 'rehabilitate person X! No death Sentence!' and then 'Death to Person X!' Like can you guys make up your mind
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;44949669]Sometimes I get confused when so many FPers say 'rehabilitate person X! No death Sentence!' and then 'Death to Person X!' Like can you guys make up your mind[/QUOTE] It depends, we don't know too much about the Kid if he even has a mental illness even. In a way, it is disgusting but its humane to execute if we consider the long term. If it came to, i'd choose Rehabilitate over Execution any day of the week but you can't be surefire with every situation.
Here's a theory. Teenagers don't have a fully connected frontal lobe in their brains, usually not fully connecting till their mid-20s. The frontal lobe is a very important part of the human brain, tasked with things like empathy, problem solving, and "is this a good idea?" type questions. Most researchers and scientists think that these undeveloped connections are responsible for rebellious and risky behaviours that some teenagers indulge in. Combine this with a undiagnosed hormone imbalance or mental illness and you have someone who is really, really fucked up. They'd be a ticking time bomb. No one kills their parents because they took their iPod away, there's something really fucked up with this kid. Send this guy to a mental hospital and do some serious diagnosis and let him simmer a bit. There is a good chance that with proper treatment he could be reintegrated into society as his brain continues to develop.
[QUOTE=Fausty;44946002]If you honestly believe EVERYONE deserves a second chance, then you are fucking delusional.[/QUOTE] It's not about "deserving". It's about how we want to structure our society; do we want our justice system based on principles such as revenge and retribution, or do we want it based on principles such as trying to turn criminals back into productive members of society while also keeping the general public safe? If you ask me, in this particular case I believe the kid should probably receive psychiatric treatment (if this turns out to be related to mental illness, which I find likely). However, he should be kept away from the public for however long he can be considered a threat to others. I don't think the correct solution here is punishment for the sake of punishment, partiularly when none of us can rule out the possibility of mental health issues.
You're all forgetting that he probably played videogames, it is not his fault. edit: Half-Life seems the place he got the ideas from.
this thread is horrifying just stop with the death penalty bandwagon at most, you've just read the article, none of you know the intricacies of the case, (most likely) none of you are qualified judges, lawyers, psychologists etc. just stop being so reactionary. [QUOTE=Fausty;44946002]If you honestly believe EVERYONE deserves a second chance, then you are fucking delusional.[/QUOTE] isn't that delusional within itself? do you never forgive people even for the smallest things? he did an incredibly stupid thing, give him time. but don't be so ridiculous as to [QUOTE=wickedplayer494;44946016]shoot the fucker.[/QUOTE] seriously i'd like to see people like you pull the trigger instead of armchair judging like you know everything ugh
[QUOTE=Jarokwa;44949239]It's really cringeworthy when people suggest rehabilitation. ''oh no dont kill him or lock him up :((( he should have a chance at a fair life despite ruining many others :))) omg u disagree with me ur evil and inhumane!1! human rights!!!!'' Fuck that shit, give him life in prison.[/QUOTE] It's too bad awful posts aren't something we can make people go away for doing.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44945676]yep. people, once broken, can never be fixed. we should just shoot anyone. right? nope, i'm pretty sure we at least have to try and find out how to fix people properly.[/QUOTE] I'm OK with that if you pay for it.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;44949978]I'm OK with that if you pay for it.[/QUOTE] Everyone already pays for it.
[QUOTE=Zorus;44949988]Everyone already pays for it.[/QUOTE] I wish MY money was used more wisely.
[QUOTE=Cructo;44946019]are you saying there are people beyond salvation? preposterous what happened to human rights[/QUOTE] Yo human rights is fine and all but dude just gouged his moms eye out and beat her over 25 times with metal objects, then when his dad came home and did [i]nothing[/i] he brutally murdered the fuck out of him. He gave up his rights. If it was a accident somehow or he slipped up heat of the moment and shot her, and showed legit regret for it- I wouldn't really think highly but sure maybe something can be saved. But when he grabs numerous tools and goes ballistic, then tried to blame his dad to escape trouble and gave it a "whatever" answer to being caught, I'm sorry, I don't want him anywhere near me no matter how many pills he gets. Your insane if you think this kids ever going to be normal.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;44950025]I wish MY money was used more wisely.[/QUOTE] What could be a better use of money than turning people into productive members of society? When it works, it practically pays for itself. Also, part of the point of taxes is that not everything you pay for will directly help you as an individual. That's why they need to exist, otherwise practically every public service would cease to function. [editline]30th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sift;44950029]Yo human rights is fine and all but dude just gouged his moms eye out and beat her over 25 times with metal objects, then when his dad came home and did [i]nothing[/i] he brutally murdered the fuck out of him. He gave up his rights.[/QUOTE] You can't "give up" your human rights. They cannot be lost or gained under any circumstances; they are intrinsic.
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