• Teenager Killed His Parents Because They Took His iPod Away
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Man... And I thought I saw everything there was to see...
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;44949879]this thread is horrifying just stop with the death penalty bandwagon at most, you've just read the article, none of you know the intricacies of the case, (most likely) none of you are qualified judges, lawyers, psychologists etc. just stop being so reactionary. isn't that delusional within itself? do you never forgive people even for the smallest things? he did an incredibly stupid thing, give him time. but don't be so ridiculous as to seriously i'd like to see people like you pull the trigger instead of armchair judging like you know everything ugh[/QUOTE] Lots of crazy people in this thread. As others have mentioned, we don't know anything about his mental condition, yet people instantly jump to "He's a monster shoot him."
[QUOTE=Cructo;44945549]killing a kid is going to solve everything he needs to be rehabilitated and reintegrated into society[/QUOTE] Yeah fuck that. He's fubar. Either jail for life or death sentance. That's a whole other debate I'd rather not bring in here however. [editline]30th May 2014[/editline] You don't need to be a qualified psychologist to notice that lmao
[QUOTE=proch;44950179]Yeah fuck that. He's fubar. Either jail for life or death sentance. That's a whole other debate I'd rather not bring in here however.[/QUOTE] I'm glad that we have you, a licensed psychiatrist AND judge+jury to decide that for us. [editline]30th May 2014[/editline] Also clearly to you it doesn't matter whether or not he's mentally unwell; the best solution to dealing with the sick is either injecting them with deadly chemicals or letting them rot in a cell until they die! [editline]30th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=proch;44950179]You don't need to be a qualified psychologist to notice that lmao[/QUOTE] Psychiatrist* And yes, you do. For example in the case of Anders Breivik, it took two teams of qualified psychiatrists before it was eventually decided he was sane. It can be very difficult to determine the state of a person's sanity, especially when you're a) not qualified and b) making all your judgments based on a fucking news article.
Rehabilitating someone is not that simple. Not to mention, there have been plenty of murderers who have been deemed mentally healthy only to kill again the same month they were released.
Psychopathy is not curable,so execute him or prison for life.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;44950119]What could be a better use of money than turning people into productive members of society? When it works, it practically pays for itself. Also, part of the point of taxes is that not everything you pay for will directly help you as an individual. That's why they need to exist, otherwise practically every public service would cease to function.[/QUOTE] Well, for example, instead we spent 30-40 years and millions of dollars trying to rehabilitate murderers, rapists and such, we could invest that money in children, build schools, hospitals, give scholarships to students...
[QUOTE=AntonioR;44950297]Well, for example, instead we spent 30-40 years and millions of dollars trying to rehabilitate murderers, rapists and such, we could invest that money in children, build schools, hospitals, give scholarships to students...[/QUOTE] Prison without rehabilitation tends to work horribly. Let's consider an example scenario: A man kills another person. He receives 15 years in prison. He comes back, and is not only mentally and emotionally distressed, but returns to the regular world finding nobody in his family wants to see him, he has no friends, no money and no workplace will hire him. Compare this to a scenario where the same man is put in prison, but this time goes through a rehabilitation program. With help he finds the source of his aggression and through help is able to combat it. With the program he is assisted in finding a workplace for when he leaves prison. When he is allowed to go, he still has problems, but he has found a way to deal with some of them in a way that he is no longer a threat to others. In addition, he has a steady flow of income. In which of these scenarioes do you think the man is more likely to turn back to crime in order to sustain himself? In which of these scenarioes do you think he is more likely to kill again, only to have to spend even more time in prison funded by the tax-payer? In which of these scenarioes do you think it will be more likely that he can be a contribution, rather than a drain on society?
[QUOTE=Tacosheller;44946069]He's a fucking person, jesus christ How does killing a fucking child get across the idea that "killing is never an okay thing to do in society"[/QUOTE] Killing is ok, under certain circumstances.
[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;44950375]Prison without rehabilitation tends to work horribly. Let's consider an example scenario: A man kills another person. He receives 15 years in prison. He comes back, and is not only mentally and emotionally distressed, but returns to the regular world finding nobody in his family wants to see him, he has no friends, no money and no workplace will hire him. Compare this to a scenario where the same man is put in prison, but this time goes through a rehabilitation program. With help he finds the source of his aggression and through help is able to combat it. With the program he is assisted in finding a workplace for when he leaves prison. When he is allowed to go, he still has problems, but he has found a way to deal with some of them in a way that he is no longer a threat to others. In addition, he has a steady flow of income. In which of these scenarioes do you think the man is more likely to turn back to crime in order to sustain himself? In which of these scenarioes do you think he is more likely to kill again, only to have to spend even more time in prison funded by the tax-payer? In which of these scenarioes do you think it will be more likely that he can be a contribution, rather than a drain on society?[/QUOTE] If rehabilitating someone was that easy I would go for the second option. But why do you think someone can be rehabilitated ? This kid doesn't seem to have lived in some unhuman conditions and he still cracked. There is also a question does he deserve it ? Saving him makes his life seem more valuable than the people he has killed. A more extreme example: Do you think people like Anders Breivik deserve a second chance ? If he was fully rehabilitated would you give him a job in public place ? Would you be OK with sending your kids there ? He IS rehabilitated, it's safe right ?
[QUOTE=AntonioR;44950474] A more extreme example: Do you think people like Anders Breivik deserve a second chance ? If he was fully rehabilitated would you give him a job in public place ? Would you be OK with sending your kids there ? He IS rehabilitated, it's safe right ?[/QUOTE] From some of the interviews I've read with people who survived, they actually want him rehabilitated if possible.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;44950474]This kid doesn't seem to have lived in some unhuman conditions and he still cracked.[/QUOTE] And that doesn't strike you as hinting there is some underlying issue with the kid? [QUOTE]There is also a question does he deserve it ? Saving him makes his life seem more valuable than the people he has killed.[/QUOTE] It's not a matter of deserving anything, this isn't a contest of who gets the most life. It's about giving another human basic rights that every human should have.
[QUOTE=Tomo Takino;44950589]It's not a matter of deserving anything, this isn't a contest of who gets the most life. It's about giving another human basic rights that every human should have.[/QUOTE] Then why even bother putting them in prison and rehabilitating them there ? Aren't you taking away their rights, their freedom there ? We should just leave everyone home, they can do and kill what ever the f*ck they want, as long as THEIR human rights are not endangered. I give up... peace out.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;44950644]Then why even bother putting them in prison and rehabilitating them there ? Aren't you taking away their rights, their freedom there ? We should just leave everyone home, they can do and kill what ever the f*ck they want, as long as THEIR human rights are not endangered.[/QUOTE] I don't think you gather what prison is supposed to do. Like at all. It separates criminals from potential victims, but the purpose of prison is supposed to be rehabilitation in the long run. Just alot of prisons are used solely for punishment. Which does shit all.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;44950644]Then why even bother putting them in prison and rehabilitating them there ? Aren't you taking away their rights, their freedom there ? We should just leave everyone home, they can do and kill what ever the f*ck they want, as long as THEIR human rights are not endangered. I give up... peace out.[/QUOTE] "Not being in prison" isn't a human right, so this particular argument doesn't carry any weight. [editline]30th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=AntonioR;44950474]If rehabilitating someone was that easy I would go for the second option. But why do you think someone can be rehabilitated ? This kid doesn't seem to have lived in some unhuman conditions and he still cracked. There is also a question does he deserve it ? Saving him makes his life seem more valuable than the people he has killed. A more extreme example: Do you think people like Anders Breivik deserve a second chance ? If he was fully rehabilitated would you give him a job in public place ? Would you be OK with sending your kids there ? He IS rehabilitated, it's safe right ?[/QUOTE] Killing a murderer doesn't bring the people they murdered back to life. As for Breivik, his murders were politically motivated. It's likely he will be a danger to society for the rest of his life. If he is released, due to him being well-known he faces a high risk of being killed himself if he is let out of prison. With all this taken into consideration, I find it unlikely (though not entirely impossible) that he will be rehabilitated, and even if he is he will be in perpetual danger if he is let out. Therefore I think it's likely wisest to keep him in prison for the rest of his life, which is most likely what will happen (although the maximum prison sentence in Norway is 21 years, it can be repeated indefinitely as long as the prisoner is considered a danger to society). I wouldn't be comfortable sending my children to a place Breivik would work at. Nor would I be be particulary comfortable sending them to a place where a convicted rapist works. But the law isn't written with my comfort in mind, it exists to protect us and to allow society to function, which is a different matter entirely.
[QUOTE=MR-X;44946345]I always hate this Honor-roll does not automatically equal good and stable. How many people who have high end degrees commit illegal and unethical things. Just like bad grades don't automatically mean terrible person.[/QUOTE] Funny thing is its' an honor student more than people think usually when they're totally insane they're real fucking smart too [QUOTE=ExtReMLapin;44947763]Instead of showing how uncivilized you are, someone should maybe listen to them, and try to understand how can things like that can happen. Oh, and try to understand why things like that only happend in the USA. Rated dumb by Americans only. Not a big surprise.[/QUOTE] he said listen to the victims, not the killers, though, I believe Also, complaining about ratings, nice. [editline]30th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=proch;44950179]Yeah fuck that. He's fubar. [B]Either jail for life or death sentance[/B]. That's a whole other debate I'd rather not bring in here however. [editline]30th May 2014[/editline] You don't need to be a qualified psychologist to notice that lmao[/QUOTE] That's pretty ignorant of you really.
To be fair, the parents were probably shitty enough to have a spoiled shit like that.
Do people who violate the most basic human right (the right to fucking live) deserve their human rights anymore?
what kind of music does he listen to?
[QUOTE=hippowombat;44951537]Do people who violate the most basic human right (the right to fucking live) deserve their human rights anymore?[/QUOTE] yes that's why they're called "rights" you don't solve anything by murdering him other than feeding stupid petty bloodthirst
Bet'cha he was on prescripts.
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