Also about the argument above:
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy]I've heard so many things from so many people I honestly don't know what is true. I've been told that effective exercise means pushing yourself to your limit, but I've also been told walking around for 30 minutes is better than running. I've been told that a diet of only cold cuts and vegetables will make you lose weight so fast your skin won't adapt, and I've been told that you need to eat some of everything. It seems the only "fact" is that overeating junkfood and doing nothing all day will make you fat, yet there's people on this very forum who do that and complain about being underweight. Goddamn human health is difficult..[/QUOTE]
It's 2014 and nobody can agree on what it means to be healthy :v:
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44672913]This makes me wanna lose weight, except I can't exercise 'cause my leg muscle's possibly fucked and I can't diet too much 'cause I rapidly get dizzy if I don't eat. Life is cruel.[/QUOTE]
You'll never get anywhere complaining. Go fucking do it.
[QUOTE=Polyethylene;44672994]You'll never get anywhere complaining. Go fucking do it.[/QUOTE]
I'm waiting to see a doctor first. When I run, there's a lump that comes out on my leg, probly just a cist but if it's a hernia I could seriously fuck up my leg muscle, so I've refrained from doing that. And about diet, I do the best I can at the moment, but if I eat too little I start to get dizzy and I [I]have[/I] to eat for it to go away.
[QUOTE=false prophet;44671128]I lost over 150lb through diet and excercise. Every night I would go for jogs. Only drank water and ate a single grilled chicken sandwich every day.
The pain in my legs was almost unbearable, felt like everything below my knees was breaking. Lost 100lb in 6 months and the rest came off by itself kind of.
[B]But fell back into an inactive life style and am up to 230+ now.[/B] The hardest part is doing it alone and starting.
Edit. I still have my old fatty drivers license where I had no neck. Luckily I have a neck still.[/QUOTE]
This is why you don't starve yourself and don't make dramatic unsustainable changes to your lifestyle
Change your diet in small, permanent ways. Exercise at a pace that is achievable, and then up the ante once you get used to it to prevent your body from getting used to it.
Thats how you lose weight and keep it off. You don't even really need to have an active lifestyle. Its pretty easy to keep your weight at the same level if your diet reflects that level of activity.
[editline]29th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;44671332]People say this, and they have no concept of how nutrition actually works.
Average, stable intake is about 2000 calories a day. If you imagine the human body is a bucket, when you put food in the bucket, the bucket fills up, no ifs-ands-or-buts. Exercise burns a percentage of that off, but it depends on how much and how rigorous that exercise is.
To lose weight, it's needed to go lower in consumption, anywhere from 1000 to 1500.
"But you can always just work out more/harder!" I hear you saying. Bullshit. Working out is strenuous and takes time. In terms of efficiency and cost-benefit, it's worth "more" to just eat less than it is to work harder.
If you break down the calories of an average American meal, in one sitting it's really easy to take down anywhere from 1000 to 2300 calories [I]in one sitting[/I] without trying. You don't need to be a lardy fuckass to do it. A typical 20$ dinner (some main item, a side, drink, possibly appertizer or bread) is definitely in the thousands.
Pile on soda, or alchohol or milk. All of these items add calories to the bucket at the same rate, or even higher than the food does, since most of us drink them as an alternate to proper hydration.
A single grilled chicken sandwich and water is sustainable. It is not comfortable or luxurious, but it is healthier than a bigmac and fries. If your goal is weight loss, it is the superior choice to "three square meals of [insert frimpy 'healthy food here]".
Source: I lost 100lbs after plenty of research. [B]I have also put most of it back on lately. [/B]
That's the other one, recidivism is huge for people who have lost weight, because the things that cause you to gain are generally things in your life rather than simple food choices.[/QUOTE]
Example #2
I can't believe you are getting winner ratings.
There's nothing winner about going on a diet that involves calorie starving yourself, living an unsustainable lifestyle just so you can say you lost 100lbs only to gain it back again when you get bored of living a clearly unsustainable lifestyle.
If you did it right, you wouldn't have calorie starved yourself at all. Yes, the general moral of the story is you want to be burning more than you take in so the best way to lose fat is mostly by not eating so much damn food. We overeat so much because food is so plentiful.
This doesn't mean you starve yourself and force yourself to eat a very, VERY poor meal once a day every day.
The solution is having a balanced diet that is filling but not calorie dense, not full of preservatives, gets you valuble nutrition, etc.
You want plenty to eat, but you don't want super calorie dense foods that fill you up (most sugars/fats/etc), you don't want to hate eating, etc.
The point is making lasting change. Eating good food, real meals, etc so you are actually getting the food you need without starving. This is because the moment you stop starving yourself, you'll gain it ALL back again. If you want to actually not waste all that time you spent putting it off, you need eat normal, but smarter.
If your diet isn't something you can't see you doing for the rest of your life, don't do it otherwise you are wasting your time. Diet isn't about losing weight, its about changing the way you eat so you don't have to lose weight anymore. And no, it won't work to just eat chicken sandwiches for months until you lose weight then switch your diet to a more balanced one. You'll be in starvation mode which means anything you eat will go straight to your thighs and you'll have a big appetite that can't be quenched with a standard balanced diet (this is also why fad diets never work in the long term).
[editline]29th April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=I_love_garrysmod;44671845]Or you could watch your calories and eat healthier so you actually have energy to exercise.
Starving yourself makes your body use your own muscles as an energy source. Losing that muscle lowers your metabolism, which means your body will start storing fat to use as energy since it's not getting enough. You'll lose weight, but gain it all back when you start eating normally again.[/QUOTE]
This. I didn't even mention the fact that if you have an actual balanced full diet you'll actually have energy to exercise which is stupid important, your muscles won't atrophy, and you'll be much happier. Which is also stupid important.
Starving yourself to lose weight deny's both of those things and its why it will never work in the long run.
Dieting by eating one meal a day? Good luck retaining any sort of muscle mass. I wouldn't recommend going under a 500 calorie deficit from maintenance which could be anywhere from 2300-2800 calories for an average person who walks to class or work. Initiating a cut at an extreme is setting yourself up for failure.
[QUOTE=KorJax;44673047]This is why you don't starve yourself and don't make dramatic unsustainable changes to your lifestyle
Change your diet in small, permanent ways. Exercise at a pace that is achievable, and then up the ante once you get used to it to prevent your body from getting used to it.
Thats how you lose weight and keep it off. You don't even really need to have an active lifestyle. Its pretty easy to keep your weight at the same level if your diet reflects that level of activity.
[editline]29th April 2014[/editline]
Example #2
I can't believe you are getting winner ratings.
There's nothing winner about going on a diet that involves calorie starving yourself, living an unsustainable lifestyle just so you can say you lost 100lbs only to gain it back again when you get bored of living a clearly unsustainable lifestyle.
If you did it right, you wouldn't have calorie starved yourself at all. Yes, the general moral of the story is you want to be burning more than you take in so the best way to lose fat is mostly by not eating so much damn food. We overeat so much because food is so plentiful.
This doesn't mean you starve yourself and force yourself to eat a very, VERY poor meal once a day every day.
The solution is having a balanced diet that is filling but not calorie dense, not full of preservatives, gets you valuble nutrition, etc.
You want plenty to eat, but you don't want super calorie dense foods that fill you up (most sugars/fats/etc), you don't want to hate eating, etc.
The point is making lasting change. Eating good food, real meals, etc so you are actually getting the food you need without starving. This is because the moment you stop starving yourself, you'll gain it ALL back again. If you want to actually not waste all that time you spent putting it off, you need eat normal, but smarter.
If your diet isn't something you can't see you doing for the rest of your life, don't do it otherwise you are wasting your time. Diet isn't about losing weight, its about changing the way you eat so you don't have to lose weight anymore. And no, it won't work to just eat chicken sandwiches for months until you lose weight then switch your diet to a more balanced one. You'll be in starvation mode which means anything you eat will go straight to your thighs and you'll have a big appetite that can't be quenched with a standard balanced diet (this is also why fad diets never work in the long term).
[editline]29th April 2014[/editline]
This. I didn't even mention the fact that if you have an actual balanced full diet you'll actually have energy to exercise which is stupid important, your muscles won't atrophy, and you'll be much happier. Which is also stupid important.
Starving yourself to lose weight deny's both of those things and its why it will never work in the long run.[/QUOTE]
Starvation could work if you have the willpower to adapt a decent diet and a lifestyle change as soon as you've lost weight.
By the way I'm not saying eat the same amount of calories as you are before if you want to lose weight. If you eat 7000 calories a day, that is going to need to get cut to lose weight.
The thing is, a balanced diet helps you do that, get better nutrition, feel happier, feel fuller (preventing cravings or splurging), prevent muscle loss, make it so your exercising actually improves your body beyond burning calories (this is important, you actually need to gain specific types of calories to build muscle mass and gain stamina from a workout, which you can't do if you just pure starve), and most importantly it helps you keep a healthy diet after you are done with a cut phase.
So if you burn 2000 calories a day, you might want 1600-1800 calories from a balanced diet along with exercise to really hit a home run on weight loss. When you get to your goal, then you can bring it back up to 2000 calories but yet still retain the same balanced diet and the same exercise, which means the weight stays off. Its not really about willpower. Its about losing weight in a manner that is actually healthy for your body in more ways than just having less fat.
Besides, any personal trainer and nutritionalist will tell you that weight doesn't mean shit. If you actually go to someone with a degree in nutrition/PT/etc, none of them will tell you to lose weight. Weight is a bogus metric because there are people who are heavy but increadbily healthy individuals, and there are people who are very light and very unhealthy individuals. What matters is body fat percentages, stamina, strength, and the figure you want to be at. Your weight is a nice "metacritic" of your overall health level but its not foolproof or what you should care about the most. You should care about living a healthy lifestyle and looking the way you want, not about losing pounds. Especially since a lot of the time, eating and exercising better will actually gain you weight (muscle) but your figure will be improved substantially. Much more than someone who is just trying to get the numbers on the scale to go down as fast as possible.
Source: one of my best friends is actually a degree holding nutritionist and personal trainer who went from chubby to built over the years and is the most body-knowledgable people I know.
This is all good stuff, KorJax. Thanks.
I'd really like to get into a more balanced diet and active lifestyle, but as somebody who doesn't have access to a nutritionist or trainer, it's really hard to find out where to start. Like Mr. Somebody said earlier in the thread, there's a million different tips and guides out there and so many of them contradict each other. Newbies like me who don't know shit try googling and end up getting completely fried trying to decide which thing to go with. It feels really hopeless.
[QUOTE=false prophet;44671128]I lost over 150lb through diet and excercise. Every night I would go for jogs. Only drank water and ate a single grilled chicken sandwich every day.
The pain in my legs was almost unbearable, felt like everything below my knees was breaking. Lost 100lb in 6 months and the rest came off by itself kind of.
But fell back into an inactive life style and am up to 230+ now. The hardest part is doing it alone and starting.
Edit. I still have my old fatty drivers license where I had no neck. Luckily I have a neck still.[/QUOTE]
Dude that is terrible for you and your body. Specially the diet part, holy fuck.
Losing all that way in that manner and putting it back on like you did it actually dangerous.
For real, get a real diet (Not starving yourself) and go workout and do some cardio. Not only will you lose fat but you'll gain weight (The good kind) and more then likely not fall back to such a terrible weight.
[QUOTE=GammaFive;44669785]By quitting soda I lost 50 pounds(22.6kg) in the year, being 5'11" I can't really stay below 160 pounds(72.5kg) without some drastic lifestyle change like excising or something.[/QUOTE]
Man I'm 5'10" (174cm) and I weigh 75kg with my ribcage sticking out. You sure you wanna lose more?
I went from 310 to 170 in a year and retained it for nearly 4 years after that. I am 6'1. I think if I hadn't moved states I wouldn't have gained as much as I did.
I eat right, now. My inactive lifestyle comes from having no job and living in Vermont where it still snows at the end of April.
The extreme diet served two purposes. To force my body to burn fat and get food intake under control. After that first 6 months I had a normal diet and became an ovolacto vegetarian, which I still primarily eat to this day.
Anyway, that's how I did it. I tried to get friends to help me but they were complete douchebags. It is extremely difficult doing it alone, probably why I am reluctant to do it again. But I am getting to that point.
[QUOTE=Mysterious Mr.E;44672029]im 130lb an i eat like a pig. metabolism >.<[/QUOTE]
You probably eat less than you think, or move around more than you think. Metabolism plays a role, sure, but it's not some kind of magic.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;44675054]You probably eat less than you think, or move around more than you think. Metabolism plays a role, sure, but it's not some kind of magic.[/QUOTE]
I wish I could convince myself to eat more, because I might weigh more than 115 lbs and build some muscle if I did. I'm in all likelihood technically anorexic, but not for the purpose of weight loss. I just feel little to no impulse to eat regularly or in any significant quantity, and only real feel the need for food when the absence of it begins causing negative side effects.
My sleep schedule is anything but consistent and I spend most of my time sitting, so ironically I'm probably a more likely candidate for heart disease and sedentary-lifestyle related illnesses.
I need to find the willpower to eat and exercise..
I was stuck at a specific weight for such a long time; spent ~an hour every weekday cycling to and from work, ate normal portions etc., went to the gym and got plenty of water, but nothing seemed to matter.
The problem is sugar (carbs).
I lost a shit ton of weight once I cut sugar and other carbs from my diet. No soda, no chips no sweets. No pasta and no bread or flour-based products.
I still ate ungodly amounts of meats/bacon, cheese and other "unhealthy" foods.
I went from 110kg to 90kg in roughly 3 months. 90 is still heavy, but it's the difference between obese and just "chubby".
Despite eating very fatty foods, I lost 20kg in weight since January 1st, my blood pressure, cholesterol and blood sugar were all fine.
If I keep this up, I'll be down to my goal weight of 70-ish kilograms by the end of the year, but I already feel goddamn amazing.
Carbs are the [i]fucking devil[/i], man.
[QUOTE=false prophet;44671128]I lost over 150lb through diet and excercise. Every night I would go for jogs. Only drank water and ate a single grilled chicken sandwich every day.
The pain in my legs was almost unbearable, felt like everything below my knees was breaking. Lost 100lb in 6 months and the rest came off by itself kind of.
But fell back into an inactive life style and am up to 230+ now. The hardest part is doing it alone and starting.
Edit. I still have my old fatty drivers license where I had no neck. Luckily I have a neck still.[/QUOTE]
if you don't want to destroy your metabolism, avoid muscle atrophy and loose skin, while keeping the weight off for good, you should aim for losing 2 lbs a week. I lost 130lb (so it took a year and a half) and have maintained it ever since.
You're right though that the hardest part is starting. the hardest part for me was the first 2 weeks, but after that period, i started feeling fuller faster, and felt too good physically, mentally, and morally to stop going.
6'4" and 125 pounds these days.
I need to eat more...but it hurts...
[QUOTE=itisjuly;44669558]Holy fuck[/QUOTE]
That just has to be mostly fluids. If he did nothing but dropped the bottle of vodka, that equals to 1700 kcal less of energy per day. In a month that's equal to losing around 7.5 kilos of fat tissue (7000 kcal per kg).
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;44671332]People say this, and they have no concept of how nutrition actually works.
Average, stable intake is about 2000 calories a day. If you imagine the human body is a bucket, when you put food in the bucket, the bucket fills up, no ifs-ands-or-buts. Exercise burns a percentage of that off, but it depends on how much and how rigorous that exercise is.
To lose weight, it's needed to go lower in consumption, anywhere from 1000 to 1500.
"But you can always just work out more/harder!" I hear you saying. Bullshit. Working out is strenuous and takes time. In terms of efficiency and cost-benefit, it's worth "more" to just eat less than it is to work harder.
If you break down the calories of an average American meal, in one sitting it's really easy to take down anywhere from 1000 to 2300 calories [I]in one sitting[/I] without trying. You don't need to be a lardy fuckass to do it. A typical 20$ dinner (some main item, a side, drink, possibly appertizer or bread) is definitely in the thousands.
Pile on soda, or alchohol or milk. All of these items add calories to the bucket at the same rate, or even higher than the food does, since most of us drink them as an alternate to proper hydration.
A single grilled chicken sandwich and water is sustainable. It is not comfortable or luxurious, but it is healthier than a bigmac and fries. If your goal is weight loss, it is the superior choice to "three square meals of [insert frimpy 'healthy food here]".
Source: I lost 100lbs after plenty of research. I have also put most of it back on lately.
That's the other one, recidivism is huge for people who have lost weight, because the things that cause you to gain are generally things in your life rather than simple food choices.[/QUOTE]
what the fuck am i reading.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44672981]It's 2014 and nobody can agree on what it means to be healthy :v:[/QUOTE]
This summarizes the thread.
[QUOTE=Abrown516;44675537]This summarizes the thread.[/QUOTE]
It's easy.
Eat well.
Excersise.
Live.
[editline]29th April 2014[/editline]
Eating healthy slowly becomes a lifestyle if you want it too. I'm actually amazed at how ignorant people are to the concept of staying healthy, starve yourself and thinking "i lose weight fast, therefore i am healthy" just so that they can finish the sentence by saying that they have regained their weight? No shit sherlock.
[quote] Now, he eats cereal and Greek yoghurt for breakfast, washed down with a glass of low-sodium vegetable juice. Lunch and dinner are lean protein, vegetables and rice. His weekly treat is a scoop of ice-cream on Fridays. [/quote]
Fuck that shit, I'd rather just be obese and die of a heart attack.
I can do 5 situps, how many more do I need?
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;44675167]I wish I could convince myself to eat more, because I might weigh more than 115 lbs and build some muscle if I did. I'm in all likelihood technically anorexic, but not for the purpose of weight loss. I just feel little to no impulse to eat regularly or in any significant quantity, and only real feel the need for food when the absence of it begins causing negative side effects.
My sleep schedule is anything but consistent and I spend most of my time sitting, so ironically I'm probably a more likely candidate for heart disease and sedentary-lifestyle related illnesses.
I need to find the willpower to eat and exercise..[/QUOTE]
I'm the same exact way. And as a result, I'm the only one in my family who's not overweight. I only really eat when my stomach is physically hurting and growling.
[QUOTE=Heigou;44672738]That's a bullshit myth that's been debunked many times, your body does not go into some sort of starvation mode where it saves fat.[/QUOTE]
That's true but if you don't eat enough to sustain your basal metabolism then your body will start to take protein from your muscles to generate energy.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;44675167]I wish I could convince myself to eat more, because I might weigh more than 115 lbs and build some muscle if I did. I'm in all likelihood technically anorexic, but not for the purpose of weight loss. I just feel little to no impulse to eat regularly or in any significant quantity, and only real feel the need for food when the absence of it begins causing negative side effects.
My sleep schedule is anything but consistent and I spend most of my time sitting, so ironically I'm probably a more likely candidate for heart disease and sedentary-lifestyle related illnesses.
I need to find the willpower to eat and exercise..[/QUOTE]
In this case calorie dense foods that are good for you like penut butter can help.
Peanut butter is a great way to get protein and calories in you without filling you up. Not so great if you want to shed fat since its not very filling and is pretty calorie dense.
I'm pretty sure the loose skin problem is mostly addressed by proper hydration.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;44671332]People say this, and they have no concept of how nutrition actually works.
Average, stable intake is about 2000 calories a day. If you imagine the human body is a bucket, when you put food in the bucket, the bucket fills up, no ifs-ands-or-buts. Exercise burns a percentage of that off, but it depends on how much and how rigorous that exercise is.
To lose weight, it's needed to go lower in consumption, anywhere from 1000 to 1500.
"But you can always just work out more/harder!" I hear you saying. Bullshit. Working out is strenuous and takes time. In terms of efficiency and cost-benefit, it's worth "more" to just eat less than it is to work harder.
If you break down the calories of an average American meal, in one sitting it's really easy to take down anywhere from 1000 to 2300 calories [I]in one sitting[/I] without trying. You don't need to be a lardy fuckass to do it. A typical 20$ dinner (some main item, a side, drink, possibly appertizer or bread) is definitely in the thousands.
Pile on soda, or alchohol or milk. All of these items add calories to the bucket at the same rate, or even higher than the food does, since most of us drink them as an alternate to proper hydration.
A single grilled chicken sandwich and water is sustainable. It is not comfortable or luxurious, but it is healthier than a bigmac and fries. If your goal is weight loss, it is the superior choice to "three square meals of [insert frimpy 'healthy food here]".
Source: I lost 100lbs after plenty of research. I have also put most of it back on lately.
That's the other one, recidivism is huge for people who have lost weight, because the things that cause you to gain are generally things in your life rather than simple food choices.[/QUOTE]
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Eating one sandwich a day will force your body into starvation mode and you will retain fat, and lose any muscle you have if you keep being an idiot. Your metabolism will be fucked to hell and back, you'll be out of energy, moody, and just feel like utter shit. Please show me a source to back up your bullshit starvation claims.
[url]http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_nutrition/restriction_contradiction[/url]
[QUOTE=GammaFive;44669785]By quitting soda I lost 50 pounds(22.6kg) in the year, being 5'11" I can't really stay below 160 pounds(72.5kg) without some drastic lifestyle change like excising or something.[/QUOTE]
I cut my soda intake in half and I went from 220lbs to 160lbs in like two months. That shit is literally a giant pit of calories.
Although now I'm drinking just as much as I used to and I'm currently 150lbs. I blame my diet overall getting better once I realized just a small soda decrease had such a dramatic effect.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44672338]Honestly, it all depends on WHEN you cut those calories.
You should never cut calories when it comes to breakfast. It's the most important meal of the day because it gives you the calories that your body uses until (if not beyond) lunch time. Skipping breakfast will send your body into a mode where it tries to save fat.
Lunch is kinda iffy. If you didn't have a large enough breakfast, you should eat a decent sized lunch. It gives you the calories that bring you through the rest of your day. On the other hand, a large breakfast means you can have a smaller lunch and be O.K.
Supper should be small. You won't be doing much activity while you're sleeping, and don't need as many calories as you would during an active day.
Cutting back on calories is fine, as long as you know when and which calories to cut. Protein is something you should never cut, and you should always have SOME starches. across the board cuts at the wrong meals is a bad thing to do. But if you do it in a smart way, it's not a bad thing to do...[/QUOTE]
Not true, your body doesn't go into starvation mode from lack of food until a day or two. Having 5 small 'meals' throughout the day is best, increased metabolism and energy throughout the day. Easier on your bowels too, especially if you have enough fiber.
jesus FUCK. dont preach potentially dangerous methods of losing weight if you have no clue about weightloss methods
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